My House Model: An Overview

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Re: My House Model: An Overview

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:33 am

I recently spent some time trying to pin down the articulation of these two (theoretical) daily rhythms. I haven't stated them as fully as I'd like above. There is also the fact that, with two distinctive rhythms going (one based on Asc-Dsc, and the other on MC-IC), each angular-cadent pair seems to "drop out" of the cycle it's in the middle of; so I've developed that a bit more.

For the cycle related to the Horizon (swinging between maximum selfness at Asc and maximum othersness at Dsc):

1st - Peaking of selfness. Self-presentation.

12th - Plunged into hemicycle that gradually attunes to Others. Initial resistance creates self vs. selfless crisis. Forced toward self-sacrifice (against all habituation). Disidentification = unconsciousness, etc. "Unknown others."

11th - Free, spontaneous surge or flow toward othersness, still habituated to self-orientation; thus, the individual within the context of others.

10th - Midpoint of the hemicycle of othersness, fair integration into Others / public concept; therefore, full incorporation of the other (culminating) themes with public, outer, others.

9th - Other house themes exist in the context of community. (Much more community integration and surrender of self to community than 11th.)

8th - Approaching maximum Others peak. 8th represents proxy-others (things akin to and nearly equated to specific others). Other house themes exist in the context of others.

7th - Peaking of othersness. "Known others."

6th - Plunged into hemicycle that gradually attunes to Self. Initial resistance to selfness creates others vs. self crisis. Forced toward self-reliance, self-orientation (against all habituation).

5th - Free, spontaneous surge or flow toward selfness, still habituated to others-orientation. Vital self-expression.

4th - Midpoint of the hemicycle of selfness, fair integration into self / privacy / personal concept; therefore, full incorporation of the other (interiorization) themes with this.

3rd - Psychological resources basic to pending self-injection into the world, arising from the first tentative explorations of one's physical & psychological environment.

2nd - Approaching maximum Self peak. 2nd represents proxy-selves (things akin to and nearly equated with ourselves); and, especially, powerful energies pushing out from us into the world as our competitive self-injection into the world.

1st - Peaking of selfness. Self-presentation.


For the cycle related to the Meridian (swinging between maximum inner, private, intimate themes at IC and maximum outer, public themes at MC):

4th - Peaking of in-turning: inner, private, intimate.

3rd - Plunged into hemicycle reaching Outward. Initial resistance keeps attention within initially narrow field, managing phenomena still "close to home."

2nd - Free, spontaneous surge or flow toward public/outer, streaming out into the world, still habituated to inner/private "mine").

1st - Midpoint of the hemicycle of exteriorization. Self (as maximized at Asc) exists to be externalized: self-expression or (perhaps better) self-presentation.

12th - First participation in the collective/outer, in the larger world outside oneself and one's immediate domain.

11th - Approaching maximum peak Outward expression. Aspiration, swelling energies pushing toward culmination.

10th - Peaking of Outer or Public. Culmination, maximum exteriorization.

9th - Plunged into hemicycle reaching Inward. Crisis of Outer-focus or public vs. Inner-focus or private. Initial resistance keeps attention anchored in public/outer contexts for the inner reach.

8th - Free, spontaneous surge or flow toward inner/private, stirring ones inner world while still habituated to outer/public.

7th - Midpoint of the hemicycle of interiorization. Othersness (as maximized at Dsc) is intended to be intimate, private, more deeply personal.

6th - First withdrawal from the public/collective, into the private, more contained world within oneself and in one's immediate domain. [This one needs work.]

5th - Approaching maximum peak Inward expression. Powerful energies surge toward one's private, intimate, inner expression. [I need to tweak this better to represent the "build-up" into the 4th.]

4th - Peaking of in-turning: inner, private, intimate.
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Re: My House Model: An Overview

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:09 pm

Now... how easily and obviously to these combine into obvious expressions of something resembling traditional meanings?

3rd HOUSE
Process of shifting from the most private, contained parts of one's psyche and environment, toward an impulse to inject oneself into the world. Curiosity & 'inquiry for these explorations. Attention is kept "close to home," parochial. Reflects one's relationship to the basic pattern of one's mind.

2nd HOUSE
Process of surging oneself competitively and effectively into the world (the battle of life). Attachment to, or near-Identification of oneself with, property, wealth, and other resources ("proxy selves").

1st HOUSE
One's self-presentation: the version of ourselves we externalize or present to the world. Process of focusing attention on oneself. Life.

12th HOUSE
Process of surrendering distinctive selfhood or self-identifications to the collective. Voluntary or involuntary selflessness, self-sacrifice, or self-surrender. Subconscious (disidentified) aspects of oneself and one's psyche. Blind spots from what is consciously unknown. Relationship to unknown aspects of others. Solitude, withdrawal.

11th HOUSE
Relationships with groups, colleagues, and other (non-intimate) friends, Standing as an individual in relationship to the collective. Spontaneous surging or flowing of energy into such relationships. Aspiration, hopes, wishes, dreams, patronage, and lending them emotional force.

10th HOUSE
Culmination, attainment, worldly esteem, all ideas of heights and elevation, all aspects of one's "public life." Identity (one's driving mission) as manifest in the world. Broadly, the principle of maximum exteriorization of one's energies, unfolding from deep within. Early relationship with or attitudes concerning one parent. Other hierarchical relationships.

9th HOUSE
Inner exploration, especially within the framework of community and culturally established institutions (religion, law, higher education, etc.). Tensions between the pull of outer, public values and inner, private values (e.g., integrity conflicts).

8th HOUSE
Powerful surge or flow of energy toward the inner or private spaces (depths of the psyche), stirring one's inner world. These stirrings occur in the context of others, especially close (intimate) others. The stirred content commonly appears as projection material, as the house is strongly connected to "proxy others,"
8th represents proxy-others (things akin to and nearly equated to specific others). Other themes exist in the context of "proxy others," i.e., property, traits, or other resources of other people. Existential confrontation.

7th HOUSE
Process of focusing attention on others, especially close, known, more deeply personal others (whether friend or foe). "Equal opposites." Death.

6th HOUSE
Process of developing self-reliance and self-sufficiency, primarily through work. This need arises from tending to value others and their needs ahead of one's own and other forms of tension between Others and Self. The common ground of these seeming opposites is in service; failure in the balance especially impacts health adversely.

5th HOUSE
Free, spontaneous surging of self-expression and emotional vitality in diverse, energetic forms, including creativity (including procreativity), drama, sex and romance, and play and other recreation. Primarily shared activities, not solitary.

4th HOUSE
Depths, privacy, intimacy, interiorization. Relation to formative environment, early psychological patterning, parents (initially both), and "roots" (in the widest sense), including patterning for laterforgin one's own home or sanctuary.
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Re: My House Model: An Overview

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:27 pm

It occurred to me on the way home today... new words... that while the hemicycles to MC and IC are, respectively, externalizing and internalizing (moving outward / moving inward), the hemicycles moving toward Asc and Dsc - which I have characterized as moving toward fullest identification with self and other, respectively - are moves toward emerging and submerging.

This probbly needs more explanation, but I understand it and am mostly posting this as a note to myself.
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Re: My House Model: An Overview

Post by mikestar13 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:40 am

I have a strong intuition you are on the right track with this model. Similar to Rob Hand in Horoscope Symbols, but better worked out and more coherent when you are through. IMHO, Angularity > Aspects/Midpoints > Signs > Houses, but houses are worth interpreting in a nativity, I wouldn't use them for much else.
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Re: My House Model: An Overview

Post by SteveS » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:03 am

Mike wrote:
…but houses are worth interpreting in a nativity, I wouldn't use them for much else.
Yes, I agree Mike. I think by the time we reach our first Saturn Return (30 years), natal house symbolism starts appearing with much more clarity. There are so many different keywords for each house it takes maturing into later life to narrowly define each house symbolism for an individual life; otherwise, it’s a crap shoot to narrowly delineate accurately house symbolism for someone else. It takes our own individual personal life to see the richness of accurate natal house symbolism—house things that are very close to our inner beings.
FWIW, after looking back on 70 years of my life, IMO, the Vertex in a particular natal house keys/focuses the house symbolism with a strong ‘fated’ feel, particular when planet symbolism is in the same house as the vertex. In other words, since the vertex is not a planet, it focuses richer/wider symbolism for a natal house meaning. Or, pay closer attention to vertex house symbolism and aspects to the vertex to narrowly define the vertex house symbolism.

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Re: My House Model: An Overview

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:17 am

Continuing in my fickle agnosticism on houses...

1. House in Solunars. If houses are a valid as they sometimes teasingly appear to be, then they are probably equally so in return charts. While Bradley's original S&LR interpretations can be seen as a naiveté of youth, they often are teasingly seductive. He and Fagan were both sold on the idea at the beginning (or were just following the flow of their early training).

One recent minor test, interesting to me, was with Donald Trump's March 23 Demi-SLR. wrote:
With so little happening in the chart, we might note more obscure and uncertain factors as an experiment. If houses are relevant in these charts, an 8th House Sun partile square a 5th House Mars (as Uranus transits his Venus in the background) might propel additional sex scandals to the forefront during this fortnight. That is, he may have more Stormy weather. Of course, if houses (as seems, more often than not, to be the case) are of no value, then these themes will not be prominent.
The evening this chart set up, playmate Karen McDougal emerged on the scene, the one woman / one event that has literally been "more Stormy weather." Maybe I was just lucky, but it was quite precise in timing, nature of event, and even details.

2. ...by your Saturn Return. This is an intriguing idea, Steve. It was quite easy for me to dismiss houses in my first decade or two in astrology because my own fit so poorly. However, looking back at my life now, they are pretty much right on target. This is... something to think about. It does fit right in with how I have come to think about where house ideas fit within us - different from signs or aspects. I've started thinking of house placements as not necessarily what's so about us, but the story we weave about it. (It can't be true that we are innately different in one area of life than another, but we can fictionalize that this is so and then organize our life that way.) Everyone has such a story as the lens through which they look at the world, but it often takes some maturity to gel it into place. For example, the 1st house (necessarily including the non-foreground majority of it) then is not so much how we fundamentally are but rather the character we routinely play. (I'm not fundamentally a solar and, especially, Neptunian person; but with Sun and Neptune in the 1st house, these weave an image of a particular kind of character I've inadvertently seemed to others most of my life). And so forth.

3. Saturn. While my primary focus has been on luminary and stellium house occupancy to look for persistent themes, I've lately been drawn to look at someone's Saturn house first, and been surprised at how simply dead-on this has been, consistent with the story approach. Think of the Saturn house (for this experiment) as (a) where you have been blocked or held back all of your life, but especially (b) where you unconsciously take for granted that you are and will be blocked, held back - whether that's objectively true or (even if objectively true) whether it is necessarily true. So many people lately have described themselves to me in these terms without having knowledge of their charts from which to derive this. It's your story about that part of your life.

So, one woman I know (the one who caused me first to think about this) has Saturn in the 8th. Despite having a chart that bristles and burns with sexual intensity as its main themes and other factors that would lead one to believe relationships are important, she has one crisis after another dealing with shared resources, usually from disintegrating relationships, and has in her head that she is never going to "get her sexual life together the way she wants it." She's obsessive about savings and investment, and almost every unresolved issue she has in her life (much of which deals with her picture, i.e., story about herself) is an 8th house theme. Another friend with Saturn in the "bleed zone" between 11th and 10th (in the 10th, conjunct 11th cusp) often repeats the "truth" about himself that he's always had to work to help other people get their dreams and everyone has always said no to what he needs to follow his own dreams (with a subplot that this also has been a career block). With my Saturn in 2nd, I so take for granted that I'll "never have my money act together" that I don't even try anymore, and have long been committed to just survive the issue by optimizing the likelihood that I can work and draw a paycheck uninterruptedly the rest of my life. Mike, much that you have said about relationship in your life makes me wonder if Saturn in the 7th is alerting us to this Saturn story in your own framing and thinking about your life? Etc.

4. So many things. Steve, yes, it does seem like when we try to list everything about a given house there are so many things that it is hard to stay ahead of it. This has been enhanced by houses (in their vagueness) being the obvious and favorite tool for Tropicalists (who for centuries had the wrong zodiac and misguidance on aspects) and psychic astrologers (who just need a hint from the chart to let their psychism do the rest) - this has developed to be highly elastic.

But a primary purpose of the model presented above is to suggest an underlying pattern that reduces each house to fundamental themes. In all other astrological factors (Mars for energy, Neptune for reality reorganization, Uranus for "gotta be free," etc.), there are millions of possible details and outcomes in our actual lives that arise from singular, simple principles. So with houses: The model above shows that all house meanings arise from one or two specific things that can be said about the house. If you know these one or two things (from the model), and then two or three most important traditional catch phrases, you'll have it.

For example, Steve, let's take the 11th house that is so important in your chart. You have three planets solidly in the 11th house, and Sun closely conjunct the 11th cusp (close enough that I consider it a 10th/11th blend leaning more heavily to 11th). So Sun and three more planets in the 11th. What's that house about, according to the model? Well, traditionally the 11th house has two main themes: (a) friends and (b) hopes & wishes. The model grabs these exactly: First, the 11th house is the easy, enthusiastic flow toward others in general, after the planet maximizes self-identification in the 1st and then has to do a whiplash about-face toward selflessness and othersness in the 12th - in the 11th, the original "others" orientation surges, freely and enthusiastically. Second, the 11th is the next best approximation of the 10th, the aspiration ("hopes & wishes") that precedes and heads toward attainment. -- Do these two themes significantly dominate your experience of your life? Do you see how knowing these two basic facts about the 11th also generates all the secondary themes that have been listed across the centuries (from patronage to group affiliation)?
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Re: My House Model: An Overview

Post by mikestar13 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:28 am

I also like that this model is entirely divorced from sign/house correspondences, which can tempt one into all sorts of errors. After studying the question, the ASC= Libra scheme popular among siderealists who use houses is better than ASC=Aries nearly universal among tropicalists, but neither quite hits the mark. IMHO, Jim's clockwise model seems to.
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Re: My House Model: An Overview

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:36 am

mikestar13 wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:28 am
I also like that this model is entirely divorced from sign/house correspondences, which can tempt one into all sorts of errors. After studying the question, the ASC= Libra scheme popular among siderealists who use houses is better than ASC=Aries nearly universal among tropicalists, but neither quite hits the mark. IMHO, Jim's clockwise model seems to.
Thanks for noticing. Yes, I agree that the Libra-1st works better and has weaknesses. One of the realizations that led to this model was recognizing that if there is inherent sequentiality in the flow (as logic seems to demand), then one could not perfectly analogize an inherently clockwise sequence (houses) with an inherently counter-clockwise sequence (signs). They are inately incompatible.

One can still tap them more loosely. I understand 2nd so much better thinking of it as Scorpio, not because planets there act like the same planets in Scorpio, but because Mars describes the nature of moveable wealth (money) and the psychological principles behind most 2nd house matters (competition, acquisition, preparing to conquer the world). But that's mostly an afterthought that I test against the model.
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Re: My House Model: An Overview

Post by mikestar13 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:50 am

I just had an a-ha moment reading Jim's next-to-last post. Saturn seventh as story explains my relationship history, and also why this Pisces/Aries has always felt more Saturnine in general than angularity and aspects alone explain--and particularly so in one-on-one relationships. Not always in a negative sense.
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Re: My House Model: An Overview

Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:59 pm

Yes, that was a hit for me. My Saturn is in the 9th house, and a recurring life theme for me has been leaving family and religion over what I would call conflicts of integrity.

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Re: My House Model: An Overview

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:30 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:17 am
Think of the Saturn house (for this experiment) as (a) where you have been blocked or held back all of your life,
So relocation... the blocking would occur in both the natal house position and the relocated house position?
I have Saturn in the first house (Campanus) in the natal location, and in the second in the relocated chart. Both seem to fit but it's not a big effect, and I think there are other explanations for each.

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Re: My House Model: An Overview

Post by SteveS » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:46 am

Avshalom wrote:
Yes, that was a hit for me. My Saturn is in the 9th house, and a recurring life theme for me has been leaving family and religion over what I would call conflicts of integrity.
Bingo for me too Avshalom! My Saturn cnj Pluto in my 9th house. I left my father for one of the main reasons being he was a religious fundamentalist constantly making me out as a devil for me studying astrology as a ‘higher form of philosophical/psychological learning’ for myself. I ran into a-lot of religious bigotry in my life which inhibited (Saturn) me in many ways. At one time in my life I had to wage a full-scale war against Religious Bigotry other than my father. Once a very wise lawyer told me you can never prove Religious Bigotry in a court room. But, I eventually won this war in a Stockholder Board room with the aid of this wise lawyer. I think Jim is onto a very important astrological detail about Saturn in our different Houses, and the younger you are and learn Jim’s observation about Saturn in your Houses, the sooner/better you will become psychologically managing your life pertaining to the malefic aspects of Saturn.

Houses are the ‘Stage/Set’ directors which sets our various life ‘Stages’ and the planets in the houses are the Directors of our psychological experiences with the different ‘Stages’ in our life.
All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players; They have their exits and their entrances, and one man/woman in their time plays many parts… Shakespeare.
I have more to address later with Jim’s observations about my Stellium in my 11th House.

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