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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:18 am

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:28 am

In writing my July 9 to August 4 mundane predictions, I just observed the most remarkable mathematical occurrence:

Check Trump's chart for July 19, 2017, chart t (just to pick a convenient time) 9:00 PM.

27°13' Scorpio - t Saturn
27°13' Scorpio - r Moon

8°22' Cancer - p MC
8°46' Cancer - p Saturn
8°46' Cancer - p Moon

BOTH progressed Moon-Saturn and transiting Saturn to natal Moon are conjunct, exact to the minute of arc, with the progressed version being angular.

Other transits exact at the same time include Pluto square his natal Jupiter, Sun conjunct his natal Venus (soon to be gone), and Sun conjunct his SSR MC and square its Uranus.


Another strange mathematical feature - I've recalculated this three times, thinking I surely made a mistake, and there are no planets involved except Mercury, but... for the same 9 PM hour July 19, notice:

SQ MC 8°30' Leo, Asc 26°19' Libra
SNQ MC 8°38' Leo, Asc 27°40' Libra
Demi-SLR MC 8°54' Leo, Asc 27°37' Libra [sets up 18 hours later, already in force]

If you can find some relevant planets to these angles, please tell me... I can't. But the coincidence is eye-catching.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:54 am

The Trumpter's next Venus Return Aug 23, 2017 below:
Note Moon partile 90 Saturn, with t. Saturn falling on his Natal Full Moon. Sun partile cnj Asc (Regulus), Mars partile cnj EP, t. Mars partile cnj his n. Mars, Venus Return Sun, and natal relocated DC Asc in early Sept. For sure—a most malefic Venus (relationships) Return for politicking in DC. Everywhere we look for our Sidereal Astrology techniques, Trump is clobbered with malefic aspects.
http://imgur.com/a/pFheH

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Tax law

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:51 am

We would expect the moment of signing the new tax bill into law to have been a moment of great victory for Donald Trump. It was the first major legislative success of his administration, a high-publicity moment, and, for that matter, an act that surely added millions of dollars a year to his personal fortune. It occurred December 22, 2017, 10:57 AM, White House, Washington, DC.

How did it all look for him? In at least one way, it was a strikingly dead-on moment, with transiting Pluto only 0°01' from square his natal Jupiter! Uranus crossed the exact minute of his SSR Descendant. And these wasn't even the only near-exact aspect. Let's look at what else is there. (Not all of it is kind.)

TRANSITS
t Pluto sq. r Jupiter +01'
t Neptune oct. r Venus -01'
t Uranus sq. r Saturn -12'
t Mars oct. r Sun -35'

SECONDARY PROGRESSIONS
p Saturn conj. p MC -03'
p Uranus op. r Moon 06'
p Saturn oct. r Uranus 06'
p Mars sex. r Pluto 09'
p Venus conj. r Jupiter 30'
p Sun oct. p Venus 38'
p Moon oct. r Sun 51'
p Venus tr. r Uranus 56'

SNQ
p Asc sq. r Mars +32' [not very impressive]

SNQ (Q1)
p Asc op. r Pluto -45' []better, but not distinctive or great

SIDEREAL SOLAR RETURN
Trump does not have a great SSR this year. The strongest factors are Uranus setting, square his natal Venus (and, a little less, his Saturn) on MC. There are several key transits to his natal planets, which have been his persistent transits of the year. Not impressive for this particular event.

SOLAR QUOTIDIAN
A fascinating discovery I hadn't noticed all year: Trumps natal and SSR quotidians are running in perfect tandem all year. And I mean perfect! Like, nearly to the minute of arc. You only have to check one to know the angles of the other. Here are his MC and Asc for the two different charts for the moment of the signing.

SNQ MC 12°00' Cap
SQ MC 11°48' Cap

SNQ Asc 3°19' Tau
SQ Asc 3°18' Tau

Anyway, like the SNQ, the SQ has Ascendant square his Mars, and nothing else. Not very impressive.

TRANSITS to SSR
t Neptune oct. s Uranus -51'
t Uranus op. s Asc 0°00'
t Mars op. s Venus -12'

DEMI-SSR
Trumps Demi-SSR was just a few days earlier. Did it show? No, I wouldn't call it a great victory chart. His December 15 Demi has Saturn 2°50' from MC as the dominant feature. SSR Moon squares his Mars. This does not describe the event at all, and reinforces my faded interest in the Demi.

SIDEREAL ANLUNAR RETURN
An Anlunar occurred a few hours after the signing, and (based on experience with lunar returns) would already have been in place. It's not a slam-zinger, though. The main feature is Uranus square Ascendant within a few minutes; but that's Uranus square his natal Saturn (22'), and his Saturn his exactly rising. More broadly, his Venus, Saturn, and Neptune are on the angles, with Saturn closest. This does not look like a victory chart.

Since the new Anlunar wasn't fully in, do we do any better with the prior (November 25) Anlunar? Well, it's not outright contradictory, and I guess it could be taken as celebratory. Moon is closely rising and (the important part) is partile square a non-angular Venus. It's not an awesome chart, but it's OK.

SIDEREAL LUNAR RETURN
His SLR is quite poor. The main feature is a triple Moon-Sun-Saturn conjunction on Descendant. This is not a victory chart.

KINETIC LUNAR RETURN
The December 7 KLR is the most success-oriented chart of the set! Moon is at MC square Jupiter - and, even closer, Jupiter is only 10' from square MC!! (It also squares his Pluto partile.) This is the victory chart for the set.

The Demi-KLR, one day before the signing, is almost as good, since Jupiter is less than 3° below Descendant. However, transiting Mars is exactly on WP, and progressed Saturn is only a few minutes from IC. It shows more attack (which isn't inaccurate, of course), but still has the success marks.


In summary, highly distinctive and precise transits to the natal and transits to the SSR marked the event with appropriate, ground-breaking 00' and 01' orbs. (I'm not sure what Neptune to his Venus 01' is, though.) The quotidians, as usual, were worthless, despite the singular importance of the day for him. The SSR was beside the point - not necessarily covering this specific event - and the Demi-Solar was exceptionally poor (no surprise). Both the SLR and the Anlunar were quite poor, giving the opposite meaning. But the Kinetic Lunar set proved quite valuable.

I find myself actually wondering... whose victory was this? There are some critical timing things for Trump, but (is this my own conspiracy fantasies?) the whole has the impression of him knowing this wasn't his victory - that his strings were being pulled - that he was just the front man. (That even makes the Neptune transit to Venus make a lot of sense.) It's not just poor charts, it's like there's a different story going on here than the one we're being told. And, of course, the bill was signed with a Mercury-Neptune square right on the angles.
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Re: Tax law

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:18 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:51 am
We would expect the moment of signing the new tax bill into law to have been a moment of great victory for Donald Trump.
We would?
It was the first major legislative success of his administration, a high-publicity moment, and, for that matter, an act that surely added millions of dollars a year to his personal fortune. It occurred December 22, 2017, 10:57 AM, White House, Washington, DC.
Trump was planning a big fancy ceremony for this in January 6. It wasn't till he watched somebody on the Fox morning news show asking if he was going to fulfill the promise he made repeatedly to give this tax bill to The People as a Christmas present and sign it before Christmas. He decided he had to do that, despite the fact that if he signed it when he did, the cuts to medicare would kick in immediately instead of a year from now so they can be used to counter the middle class tax "cuts" and give the 2018 elections to the Democrats. The bill was written with dates relative to when it was signed, in an attempt to hide the Republican attempts to hide the cuts till after the 2018 elections. Trump blew all that careful planning.

I think the aspects show the reality of what actually happened very clearly.

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Re: Tax law

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:27 pm

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:18 pm
Jim Eshelman wrote:
Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:51 am
We would expect the moment of signing the new tax bill into law to have been a moment of great victory for Donald Trump.
We would?
I would. It's really the only thing (besides the Supreme Court appointment) that he's succeeded at since he entered office. I also think it's his most important personal goal - that, getting the tax cut for himself and other ultra-rich, it doesn't much matter to him what else he does in office. The minute of getting to sign this into law would seem, to me, to be a point of personal victory and celebration beyond anything that has happened since he took office.
I think the aspects show the reality of what actually happened very clearly.
That would be a very good result for astrology, if not for any people.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:48 pm

His goal of getting this tax cut for himself and the people he wants to impress (note I didn't say his friends...) was important, sure. But he wants to be highly thought of more, and he hates being called out as a liar. He po'd most of the Republican leadership by not postponing the signing till after the new year as planned, and made it far more likely he'll dealing with a Democratic leadership in 2019. That is, if he makes it to 2019. A lot of Republicans are furious because these cuts not going through before 2019 was part of the deal they made with some of the R senators.

He acted impulsively because somebody taunted him about his having made a bad promise on impulse and shot the Republican leadership in the toes.

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January 26, 2018

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:09 am

Building on a highly specific prediction I made almost a year ago:

Donald Trump presently has progressed Midheaven conjunct progressed Saturn. If his birth time is quite exact (and it seems to be exceptionally close - better than to the minute of arc), that aspect is exact January 8. In any case, it's in close orb.

On January 24, 2018, progressed Moon conjoins natal Pluto. (It is in orb about a month before and after, and concentrates near that date.)

On January 26, transiting Uranus squares natal Saturn. It has been around for months, and it peaks on or near that day.

Trump's Sidereal Lunar Return for January 13 has Transiting Mercury and Saturn closely conjunct each other and IC. They, and especially Mercury, square natal Neptune on Ascendant. This describes the month (and especially the two weeks) following. Its a bad month for the president, with plenty of bad news made worse by the magnifying, distrusting, fantasy-fuelled natal Neptune.

One of the worst days of Donald Trump's life, and the darkest day for him in the current lunar month, is January 26, 2018. On that day, his SNQ angles for Washington show transiting Neptune on Midheaven and transiting Saturn on Descendant. The basic meaning of this is depression and black emotions. A common characteristic manifestation of Saturn-Neptune is removal or resignation from a position of eminence.

Because this year, by a mathematical quirk, Trump's Solar Return and natal quotidians are in exact lock-step, this means that his SQ angles also place transiting Neptune on Midheaven and transiting Saturn on Descendant the same day, and transiting Mars squares his progressed Solar Return Moon and his natal Ascendant.

I predict that either Donald Trump will leave office on (or immediately adjacent to) January 26, 2018, or will have the nails driven so far into his coffin lid that they perforate his lapels.

HISTORIC NOTE: As recorded above in this thread, I first predicted on February 16, 2017 that Trump would be impeached in late January, and that January 21 would be the most critical date. I modify that now only to say that "impeachment" is too narrow - there are other ways for removal to occur - and that January 26 is the crisis date for him.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:46 am

Interesting Jim, TIME will soon tell.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:28 am

SteveS wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:46 am
Interesting Jim, TIME will soon tell.
Exactly. One is usually wrong on such things, there being another factor (e.g., mundane factors don't peak as strongly as I'd like for that day; we don't have a recorded birth time for Pence). Or the event may be similar but not yet decisive, as in Mueller announcing he has charges, etc. In any case, it will not be an ordinary day for Trump.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:46 am

Jim wrote:
In any case, it will not be an ordinary day for Trump.
I clearly understand Jim. Its going to be interesting regardless of specifics.

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