Another Q1 vs Q2 test

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Another Q1 vs Q2 test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:02 am

I decided to undertake another side-by-side Q1 vs Q2 test. Factors examined were natal, progressed, or transiting planets angular within 2°, and conjunctions, oppositions, or squares of progressed Moon to natal, progressed, or transiting planets within 1°. In each case, I then compelled myself to select which one was better (even if both were good, both were bad, or mixed - which one was better?). A few were tied or unscorable, but most were scorable.

I selected data that originally had been collated for a different purpose: For all events studied as mundane astrology events in my book Sidereal Mundane Astrology for which I had reliable timed birth data for a known key participant in the event, I used that event and that data together.

Here are the aspects and assessments:

WILLIAM McKINLEY (Shot) - Q2
Q2:
Asc op p Jupiter (Neptune), r Neptune, sq r Mars
MC sq r Sun
p Moon conj r Uranus

Q1:
Asc op t Jupiter, conj t Neptune


WILLIAM McKINLEY (Died) - Q1
Q2:
Asc op p Venus
MC op r Mars (4'), sq t Jupiter
p Moon conj r Uranus (6')

Q1:
Asc op t Saturn, sq p Sun
-- t Saturn sq p Sun (39')
MC conj p Mercury, sq p Mars
-- p Mercury-Mars sq (27')
EP conj t Pluto?


WARREN G HARDING (Death) = Q1
Q2:
Asc op p Moon, sq t Uranus
-- t Uranus sq p Moon (10')
MC op p Neptune
EP op r Uranus

Q1:
EP conj t Jupiter, p Saturn, r Sun
-- p Saturn conj r Sun (18'), Jupiter to Saturn but not Sun
-- t Sun & Mars squares exactly into the whole thing, though not angular
-- Thus, t Mars, p Saturn, r Sun - touched by t Sun, & aside of t Jupiter


VIRGIL GRISSOM (Death by fire) - Q2
Q2:
Asc op r Uranus (10'), t Saturn
p Moon sq p Uranus (6')

Q1:
Asc op. r Jupiter, conj r/p Neptune, sq p Saturn
-- Lots of stuff just a degree further, and birth time is even-hour
EP op t Mercury


ROGER CHAFFEE (Death by fire) - Q2
Q2:
Asc sq p Saturn
MC conj r Neptune
p Moon op r Venus (19')

Q1:
p Moon op r Venus (34')


ROBERT KENNEDY (Murder) - Q1
Q2:
MC op p Jupiter, r Moon

Q1:
Asc conj t Pluto (3'), op. r Uranus
MC conj t Mars (4'), p Mercury (1')
-- t Mars op p Mercury (03')


RICHARD SPECK (Murders) - Q1
Q2:
EP op r Mercury

Q1:
MC op r Pluto


RICHARD NIXON (Resignation) - neither
Q2:
MC conj t Moon
Asc conj t Mercury
EP conj p Neptune (1'), t Venus
-- t Venus conj p Neptune (41'), both sq t Uranus

Q1:
MC conj r Moon
Asc sq. t Jupiter
EP conj r Saturn



MARTIN LUTHER KING JR (Murder) - Q1
Q2:
Asc conj p Neptune
MC op t Neptune, sq t Jupiter
-- Jupiter-Neptune sq (3')

Q1:
Asc op r Sun
MC conj t Sun, t Saturn
-- Sun-Saturn conj (4')
p Moon op p Sun (54')


JOHN GLENN (Launch) - Q2
Q2:
Asc conj t Plutpo, r Mercury; op p Uranus
-- t Pluto conj p Mercury (58'), op. p Uranus (52')
-- p Mercury op r Uranus (16')
EP op t Sun

Q1:
MC sq p Venus, r Sun
-- p Venus conj r Sun (11')


JOHN KENNEDY (Murder) - Q1
Q2:
Asc sq r Uranus
t Uranus sq p Moon (13'_
t Mercury op p Moon (0')

Q1:
Asc sq t Mars, Venus, p Mars
-- t Venus op p Mars (23')
p Moon conj r Sun



JIM JONES (Jonestown) - neither
Q2:
Asc sq p Moon ("Mother")

Q1:
Asc sq t Sun



JAMES LOVELL (Apollo 8 launch) - Q2
Q2:
AAsc conj t Neptune, sq r/p Neptune
-- t Neptune sq r Neptune (1')
MC op r Mercury
p Moon op p Mercury (12')

Q1:
Asc conj t Mars, op p Jupiter
MC op t Moon
EP op p Venus
p Moon op p Mercury (45'), op p Sun (57')


JAMES GARFIELD (Shot) - Q2
Q2:
Asc op r Neptune, p Mercury
-- p Mercury conj r Neptune (24')
t Uranus op p Moon (10')

Q1:
MC cponj r/p Uranus
EP conj t Jupiter, Neptune


JAMES GARFIELD (Died) - Q2
Q2:
Asc conj t Sun (4')
MC conj t Mars
-- sun-Mars sq (52')
p Moon sq p Mars (15')

Q1:
Asc op r Jupiter
MC op t Mars


HARVEY MILK (Murder) - Q2
Q2:
Asc op r Moon, sq t Neptune, sq t Mars
-- t Neptune sq r Moon (38'), t Mars sq r Moon (37')
EP conj t Saturn

Q1:
Asc conj t Jupiter, sq t Venus
p Moon op. p Jupiter (08')


GEORGE W. BUSH (SCOTUS Bush v Gore) - Q2
Q2:
MC sq p Mercury, r Venus
-- p Mercury comnj r Venus (13')
EP conj t Uranus
p Moon conj p Mars (22'), sq r Sun (27')

Q1:
Asc sq r Mars



GEORGE MOSCONE (Murdered) - Q2
Q2:
Asc conj t Sun, op p Jupiter
-- t Sunconj r Mars (14')
MC sq t Mercury
t Mars op p Moon (48')
t Neptune op p Moon (27')

Q1:
EP conj t Venus


FRANKLIN D. ROOSVELT (Died) - Q1
Q2:
Asc op r Moon
MC op p Venus, t Venus, t Moon

Q1:
Asc op p Saturn, r Neptune, sq r Sun
-- p Saturn sq r Sun (29')
MC sq r Jupiter


FRANK BORMAN (APollo 8 launch) - indecisive
Q2:
MC sq p Mars
t Mercury op p Moon

Q1:
MC conj p Sun


QUEEN ELIZABETH II (Coronation) - Q2
Q2:
MC sq r Sun

Q1:
Asc conj p Venus, sq r/p Pluto
p Moon sq p Mercury (54')


QUEEN ELIABETH (son's wedding) - Q2
Q2:
MC conj r Sun
Asc sq p Venus

Q1:
MC conj p Jupiter
Asc conj p Mercury; sq t Saturn, t Jupiter, r Mercury
-- t Saturn op r Mercury (5')


CHARLES WHITMAN (committed murders) = Q2
Q2:
Asc conj r Moon, sq r Mars, sq r/p Neptune
-- Mars-Neptune op (17'), all sq Moon
MC sq r Jupiter
EP conj p Jupiter
p Moon conj p Uranus (12')

Q1:
Asc conj p Moon, p/r uranus
-- p Moon conj p Uranus (-38')
-- p Moon conj r Uranus (+29')
MC conj t Moon


ABRAHAM LINCOLN (died from murder) - Q2
Q2:
Asc op r Moon (1'), sq r Mars, sq t Saturn
-- t Saturn sq r Moon (39'), conj r Mars (51')

Q1:
Asc op p Saturn, r/p Neptune
MC sq t Mercury, t Pluto


EDWARD WHITE (Died in fire) - Q2
Q2:
Asc conj t Saturn, op t Uranus
MC conj p Sun

Q1:
MC conj t Neptune, p Venus
-- t Neptune conj p Venus (32')
Asc conj t Sun


KING EDWARD VIII (Abdication) - Q2
Q2:
Asc op r Mars
MC op t Jupiter, Mercury [which opposed r Sun]

Q1:
(nothing)


PRINCESS DIANA (Wedding) - Q2
Q2:
EP op t Venus, r Pluto
-- t Venus conj r Pluto (59')
p Moon conj p Neptune (50'), r Neptune (44')

Q1:
Asc op t Moon
p Moon conj p Neptune (7'), r Neptune (1')



PRINCESS DIANA (Death) - Q2 (but it's close)
Q2:
Asc conj r Venus, sq r Uranus (10'), sq p Uranus
MC conj t Neptune, r saturn, p Saturn
-- t Neptune conj r Saturn (45')

Q1:
MC op. p Moon, sw p Mars
-- p Moon sq p Mars (01')


PRINCE CHARLES (Wedding) - Q2
Q2:
Asc op p Venus, t Uranus
EP conj r Moon
p Moon conj r EP

Q1:
MC conj p Sun (7')


CHRISTA McAULIFE (Challenger explosion) - tied
Q2:
Asc sq r Venus, p Moon
EP conj p Mars

Q1:
MC op. t Uranus (10'), r Jupiter
-- t Uranus conj r Jupiter (50')


BUZZ ALDRIN (Apollo 11launch) = Q2
Q2:
Asc sq p Moon
MC conj t Uranus

Q1:
Asc sq t Moon, p Mercury-Mars
-- p Mercury-Mars conj. (37')
EP conj t Neptune


AL GORE (SCOTUS Bush v Gore) - tied
Q2:
(nothing)

Q1:
MC conj. r Moon
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Re: Another Q1 vs Q2 test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:12 am

Of 31 events,

5 were tied
20 had the Q2 better than the Q1
7 had the Q1better than the Q2

As in every test I recall having ever done, and those that Bradley reported to me, the Q2 is better about three times as often as the Q1. In no case (except perhaps Roosevelt's death) was the Q2 bad when the Q1 was better.

CONCLUSION: As in other tests, I conclude that the Q2 is the correct way to calculate Secondary Progressions, This probably is to the exclusion of the Q1, or in any case is superior to the Q1.
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