Jupiter in Virgo

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Jupiter in Virgo

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Sun May 14, 2017 1:05 am

Originally posted by myself on Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:11 pm
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So as of yesterday (and henceforth till the 16th of September 2017), Jupiter has entered and will be in the realm of the Maiden after a year-long tour in 'Solaria' (Leo). :P
If we consider Pisces as a Jovian sign as well as we do for Sagittarius, then Jupiter is in one of it's detriment signs now.

So, generally, one can say that the aspects signified by Jupiter's transiting sign would face growth, development and prosperity throughout the Jove's stay in the very sign.
Would it be safe to say that it'll be so for Virgo matters, i.e. the service, labour, medical (and possibly military) industries? :|

(Just saying, I may be incorrect/imprecise in this) Last time Jupiter was in Virgo, the 2004 Tsunami occurred, and relief-work, humanitarian & medical aid to the tsunami victims (Jupiter in Virgo?) was bountiful to the point where almost all able nations were able to take their part in doing so. (This could actually be an Aquarian thing though)

And for Jupiter in Leo, what has happened throughout the past year that could be traced to this placement?
As for gold, I believe gold prices were considerably low last year and that gold/jewellery purchases came to a notable high — in India, I believe. (Update 14/05/2017: No, now I don't believe this was the case)
I'm not really sure which planet has dominion over gold — Indians say it's Jupiter (even one of the Tamil names for Jupiter, "Ponnavan", means "the gold-bearer" or "the auriferous one") and Western astrologers say it's the Sun. Maybe both. :P

Just being curious today...
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Re: Jupiter in Virgo

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Sun May 14, 2017 1:10 am

Jim Eshelman on Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:45 pm
Jim Eshelman wrote:
TheScales_BothWays wrote:If we consider Pisces as a Jovian sign as well as we do for Sagittarius, then Jupiter is in one of it's detriment signs now.
Except it's in Virgo, and I'm a Virgo, so it/s the best possible place Jupiter could be <vbg>.

Yes... Jupiter in detriment for about a year.
And for Jupiter in Leo, what has happened throughout the past year that could be traced to this placement?
As for gold, I believe gold prices were considerably low last year and that gold/jewellery purchases came to a notable high — in India, I believe.
Gold prices have been observed on different Saturn cycles to go up when Saturn is in Leo. Remember that prices are (most simply) a reflection of supply and demand, i.e., Saturn shows areas of acute shortage, and prices go up. If you're right about gold prices this last year, then that's consistent with what I'd theorize about Jupiter in Leo: There's a sense that it's plentiful, so prices stay where they are or go down.

Here are the dates of Jupiter's last several passes through Virgo. These might be interesting for several reasons, one of which is that Jupiter tends to be in the same sign for every third U.S. presidential election (it takes almost exactly 12 years to go around the zodiac), and for some of these placements there are discernible patterns. Can we see any in these?

Sep 11 1909 to Oct 12 1910
Aug 27 1921 to Sep 27 1922
Aug 10 1933 to Sep 11 1934
Nov 24 1944 to Mar 2 1945
Jul 23 1945 to Dec 25 1945
Mar 31 1946 to Aug 24 1946
Nov 2 1956 to Apr 8 1957 [Incumbant Virgo Dwight Eisenhower reelected]
Jun 28 1957 to Dec 3 1957
May 8 1958 to Jul 30 1958
Oct 16 1968 to Nov 15 1969 [Richard Nixon won 1st term (a secondary Ike victory?)]
Sep 30 1980 to Oct 31 1981 [Ronald Reagan defeated incumbent Virgo Jimmy Carter]
Sep 15 1992 to Oct 16 1993 [Bill Clinton won 1st term (rising Virgo stellium?)]
Aug 31 2004 to Oct 2 2005 [Incumbant Virgo Moon GW Bush reelected]
Aug 15 2016 to Sep 16 2017

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Re: Jupiter in Virgo

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Sun May 14, 2017 1:12 am

Jim Eshelman on Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:59 pm
Jim Eshelman wrote:I'm having some difficulty clearly seeing what Jupiter in Virgo has been (and continues to be).

One theme is clear: This election is being touted (apparently correctly) as an enthusiastic victory wave of "the common working man." (Emphasis on "man.") That's a clean hit. My problem with it is that I think it's all appearances, that these are actually such erroneous perceptions as to approach fraud - because these are people who are going to loose enormously in the time ahead.

Of course, I can be wrong, and there is then no problem :) And, of course, Jupiter is capable of being "all appearances," but I haven't noticed in the past that something as key to the themes of a year as Jupiter's sign is fundamentally a fraud.

I suspect BTW that the Jupiter-Uranus opposition will highlight themes that represent the Virgo-Pisces polarity - I haven't really thought that one through, but it's likely to be the case.

However, there are so many Virgo themes that are doing quite poorly right now. I speak of themes that I've observed being part of Sidereal Virgo, as well as "borderline" themes that don't show much for Virgo in natal astrology but are perennial mundane astrology Virgo themes. An example of the latter is health - the healthcare system was the first thing the new Congress attacked on its installation. Another theme (one that has been shown responsive to outer planet transits in the past) is women (cross-wired to women's health and women in the workplace) - consider how Pluto's entrance into Virgo in 1968-69 marked a new wave of more radicalized feminism with especial focus on these related themes of work and health. (Abortion was legalized in '73.)

All of these are topics that are under assault, not being support4ed, encouraged, or flourishing at all. Other Virgo themes, more specific than "work" in general, are the service industry and labor unions. These, also, are not extremely healthy and are about to be under more pointed attack in the months ahead (based on non-astrological projection of themes and directions).

Another proven Virgo theme (at least in natal astrology) social welfare Again, this is a theme that is facing a possible death sentence (or at least long incarceration).

I don't know if technology is doing any better than we'd normally expect (technology is always on a forward march), or that aviation / avionics / flight technology is doing especially well or poorly.

Certainly quality oration has been punished and losing in the recent past, in favor of tweets. (OK, it might be pro-Virgo that Twitter is getting so much high level press <g>.)

I'll look at some other keywords, but these are the mundane astrology fallbacks.

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Re: Jupiter in Virgo

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Sun May 14, 2017 1:17 am

Jim Eshelman on Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:15 pm
Jim Eshelman wrote:An interesting collation of Virgo-Pisces themes came out in Meryl Streep's remarks at the Golden Globes last night. These are put on by the Hollywood Foreign Press Association. She remarked that three things not in very good standing right now are...

Hollywood...
the Press...
and
Foreign.

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Re: Jupiter in Virgo

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Sun May 14, 2017 1:19 am

Jupiter Sets At Dawn on Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:09 pm
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:La-La Land won big at the Golden Globes last night... fits with what we're seeing.

I think there's a lot of attention being paid to health care, women's issues and so on. More than even in recent years. But the attention isn't all good.
Sort of like the kid who acts out because any attention is good attention. (Wow, that's a random thought, but maybe useful.)

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Re: Jupiter in Virgo

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Sun May 14, 2017 1:20 am

Jim Eshelman on Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:11 pm
Jim Eshelman wrote:Interesting. I'd like, though, with Jupiter in the sign, to see it as positive treatment. (Something has to distinguish Jupiter in the sign from Saturn in the sign, eh?)

The more I think about it, the more I think we'll see the Jupiter-Uranus opposition as ideological contention along specifically Virgo-Pisces polarity lines.

BTW, La La Land is one of the best movies I've seen in a long time. (This is a strong year at the movies.) You'd have to not like musicals to not like it. Besides the strong romantic element, it's a powerful story of following a dream, conquering obstacles, and diverse kinds of heartbreak. I knew it would sweep the Globes, and I'm wondering if it could overcome the resistance to musicals that is usual at the Academy Awards. I know Academy voters that are really wanting something to make them feel good about the world right now, and this movie easily does that!

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