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Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue May 16, 2017 10:32 pm

Posted Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:11 pm by StarAgeWiz
Helen Boyd along with Firebrace wrote several articles in the long out of print SPICA Journal. There, Boyd gave many examples of the effectiveness of her research when the Colonies declared war on England..e.g. 7/6/1775, 11:00 am LMT, Philadelphia, Pa.
Using this chart as the birth chart for the USA calculated many Solunars over the course of various wars the US has fought as well as other pivotal events
Examples... beginnings and endings of the War of 1812, WWI, WWII and the first atomic bomb test in New Mexico. Apparently the Boyd Chart Solunars scored many "angular" hits.

So checking the Boyd US natal and subsequent SSR for 2001 & progressing the SSQ to 9/11/2001 gives the following angular aspects.

SSQ: MC 5sag34/ASC 5pi51
tr. IC Moon 3gem18, tr. MC Mars6sag40....911 Attack transits T-SQ aspect to Boyd natal Desc. Mars 5vi46

dbl Mars whammy to tr. Moon from the Angles ....a very good description of the fiery attack on the WTC me thinks.

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu May 18, 2017 6:50 pm

Posted Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:07 pm by SteveS
Mike, I have not worked with the Boyd chart but agree with the 9/11 symbolism you presented but I think Pluto should someway be involved in the 9/11 symbolism. Have you done any work with the Boyd chart on the Pearl Harbor attack?

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu May 18, 2017 6:50 pm

Posted Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:27 pm by gary903
SteveS wrote:
Mike, I have not worked with the Boyd chart but agree with the 9/11 symbolism you presented but I think Pluto should someway be involved in the 9/11 symbolism...
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I know this is an old topic, but maybe someone would like to see the Boyd Lunar Return preceding the 911 attack.
It features the prominent Pluto which SteveS wanted. I prefer 11:00 am LMT for the Boyd chart. The alternate time later in the afternoon wouldn't show the paran T-square of Pluto, Sun, and Saturn. Also radical Venus is on the Lunar's Descendant and radical Jupiter is on the I.C.
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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu May 18, 2017 6:51 pm

Posted Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:54 pm by Jim Eshelman
gary903 wrote:
I know this is an old topic

At the moment, everything on this forum is an old topic! <vbg>

BTW did I mention someplace how the SSR and SLR of the Declaration of Independence chart was for 9/11? The SSR had a Mars-Pluto conjunction on the Westpoint (Mars within minutes; Pluto about a degree and a half in RA). The SLR had transiting Mars rising opposite and even more angular natal Mars on the Descendant.

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu May 18, 2017 6:52 pm

Posted Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:49 pm by SteveS
Yes Sir! The SLR is impressive covering 9/11—a triple whammy of angular Mars. The SSR is somewhat peculiar with Me-Jup conjunction rising for a major attack event. Do you allow the EP/WP axis the same strength for expressing the symbolism of angular planets as the ASC/DES axis?

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu May 18, 2017 6:52 pm

Posted Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:52 pm by Jim Eshelman
SteveS wrote:
The SSR is somewhat peculiar with Me-Jup conjunction rising for a major attack event. Do you allow the EP/WP axis the same strength for expressing the symbolism of angular planets as the ASC/DES axis?

The EP/WP are full-on angles, yes (though the orb is only 3° and should always be measured in Right Ascension).

In this case we have:
Jupiter conj Asc 4°32' (Prime Vertical)
Mercury conj Asc 5°10' (Prime Vertical)
Mars conj WP 0°16' (RA)
Pluto conj WP 1°37' (RA)
Pluto sq MC 0°14' (longitude)

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu May 18, 2017 6:53 pm

Posted Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:46 pm by SteveS
Jim wrote:
The EP/WP are full-on angles, yes (though the orb is only 3° and should always be measured in Right Ascension).

Thanks Jim! You have just taught me another important detail pertaining to the EP-WP axis and Right Ascension.

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu May 18, 2017 6:54 pm

Posted Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:24 pm by Jim Eshelman
SteveS wrote:
Jim wrote:
The EP/WP are full-on angles, yes (though the orb is only 3° and should always be measured in Right Ascension).

Thanks Jim! You have just taught me another important detail pertaining to the EP-WP axis and Right Ascension.

The only theoretical basis for the importance of the EP/WP has always seemed to me to be that it is the square to the MC along the Celestial Equator. The point we put in the chart is simply the celestial longitude that the ecliptic has at that RA. - But that has to be an approximation.

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by SteveS » Fri May 19, 2017 6:30 am

Thanks JSAD for bringing these posts over to new site, I had forgotten about these post. In the last two weeks, I have finally done some serious personal research with this Boyd Chart, and am convinced it is an accurate timed chart. Dealing with USA charts, we never know for sure which chart will accurately fore tell a future event, but if this Boyd Chart is going to activate itself with symbolic symbolism over its next solar year with it's 2017 SSR, imo, the US/Trump are in 'Clear & Present Danger.'

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by staragewiz » Fri May 19, 2017 3:18 pm

Steve,

Here's a part of a reply that I received from an inquiry from the Library of Congress on what was the time of day the 2nd Cont. Congress agreed on a Declaration Of Taking Up Of Arms against England on 6 July 1775. (more rectification blues :-))

"Although it does not appear that an exact time was ever recorded for its adoption, we were able to locate a letter written by John Adams to William Tudor, July 6, 1775, in which he wrote, "We have Spent this whole Day in debating Paragraph by Paragraph, a Manifesto as some call it, or a Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of our taking up Arms. It will be printed Tomorrow, and shall be transmitted as Soon as possible." https://founders.archives.gov/documents ... 03-02-0036 https://founders.archives.gov/documents ... 03-02-0036
I like this speculative time for late afternoon 6 July 1775.... 5 pm LMT
As it gives a Libra Moon which may indicate the 'Legal" document with Mars/Satun MC paran-sq Jupiter DESC
angular well describes to me the bloody war ahead and the warlike nature America was to become.
Too many wars!!

Yet to test this time for rectification purposes but looks like a good candidate..

correction: Natal Chart...not Relocation as in chart wheel.
mistakenly first calculated for NYC.

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri May 19, 2017 3:30 pm

The 11:00 AM time does behave remarkably well, especially for matters of war. If it were to be definitely proven that what we think is the most important event (adoption) occurred at a different time, I think the evidence is so strong for 11:00 AM that we'd have to ask, "What event occurred then?"

It's like... we spent decades praising the July 4, 1776 chart for the signing of the Declaration of Independence, because that's what we learned in school; but, as the historic record became better developed and more available, it became clear that it wasn't signed by anyone on that day or for weeks after. However, it was ratified by vote on 7/4/1776, and that seems to be the astrologically significant act for what has long proven itself the best of many contenders for the U.S. chart.
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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by SteveS » Fri May 19, 2017 3:54 pm

Thank you so much Mike, I love analyzing America’s history along with historical events with Sidereal Mundane Astrology. I am looking forward to receiving your SPICA articles with Boyd’s & Firebrace discussions.
Mike, when you have time, using the 11:00 AM LMT, calculate Boyd’s Oct 10 Quarti SSR, noting the partile Sun-Mars 180. Then calculate the Quarti’s SSR Quotidians to Dec 8, 1941, and Dec 11, 1941. Let me know your opinion for these two quotidians. Thanks again Mike.

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by SteveS » Sat Jun 03, 2017 2:44 pm

Jim wrote:
The 11:00 AM time does behave remarkably well, especially for matters of war. If it were to be definitely proven that what we think is the most important event (adoption) occurred at a different time, I think the evidence is so strong for 11:00 AM that we'd have to ask, "What event occurred then?"
It's like... we spent decades praising the July 4, 1776 chart for the signing of the Declaration of Independence, because that's what we learned in school; but, as the historic record became better developed and more available, it became clear that it wasn't signed by anyone on that day or for weeks after. However, it was ratified by vote on 7/4/1776, and that seems to be the astrologically significant act for what has long proven itself the best of many contenders for the U.S. chart.
Thanks for your thoughts on this issue Jim. A couple of days ago, I read Boyd’s two SPICA articles that Mike sent me, and was impressed with Boyd’s historical research. Soon after, I ordered her book (used, now out of print) “True Horoscope for US” in order to do my own serious detailed analysis. So far, with the small amount of research I have done with Boyd’s Chart with return charts for big events, I am very impressed and consider Boyd’s Chart with her historical research with pre-July 4th, 1776 Continental Congress outstanding. Do you/anyone know who owns the Copyrights to SPICA and Boyd’s book? It’s a crying shame these two valuable Sidereal Astrology resources are lost to today’s serious student of Sidereal Mundane Astrology.

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:21 pm

Spica was purchased in 1975 by Joan Piszek and Karen Wilkerson, the founders of R.O.S.A. As far as I know, they (if they are still alive) own it in its entirety. I haven't spoken to either of them since at least the early '80s and I think I remember that Joan died. I don't know where Karen's life went next.

The last I knew, she lived in Orange County - worked in Orange, where I drove her to work on occasion. Surely retired if still alive. Her children all had the last name Eldridge, and they ran from a little older than me to a little younger.
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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:42 pm

Ah, here are some links that Google brought up:

The first is probably from her daughter Kimberly Eldridge, with a bit of a rude answer to an old post of hers. It does seem to say that, as of 2003, Karen was alive. Kimmy is slightly younger than me.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... z7UXkIgIB8

Here's something from years back by Philip Graves, a quite serious historian of modern astrology and other matters:
http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2978
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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by SteveS » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:53 pm

Thanks Jim, I will try to make contact for permission to possibly quote at length on this forum. And, to see if they have all back issues of SPICA for a possible purchase.

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:57 pm

SteveS wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:53 pm
Thanks Jim, I will try to make contact for permission to possibly quote at length on this forum. And, to see if they have all back issues of SPICA for a possible purchase.
Karen and Joan received all surviving copies of Spica - I was there when they were still unpacking. What they received wasn't complete, I'd estimate that copies of only about 75% of published issues still existed and got into their hands.

I suspect Clancy Publications had a permanent subscription (probably a courtesy subscription) to Spica, so Ken Irving might have some idea about that, and what happened to that collection. (He may have his own collection, in fact.) And you might check with Ken Bowser.

Mine was dismantled in the mid-'70s, ripped apart to get the articles I most wanted and put them in notebooks, and not all of those notebooks survived.
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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by SteveS » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:04 pm

I will certainly investigate this matter.

Jim wrote:
Mine was dismantled in the mid-'70s, ripped apart to get the articles I most wanted and put them in notebooks, and not all of those notebooks survived.
I understand Jim. I did the same thing with many of my AA issues.

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by SteveS » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:18 am

Because the current Prez and Defense Secretary Mattis consider North Korea a “Clear & Present Danger” to the US, imo, we need to pay attention to Boyd’s US Chart, 7/6/1775, 11:00 AM LMT, since this Chart is timing with Sidereal Astrology certain events happening in the US pertaining to “In Harm’s Way.” However, one very important point: DC’s 2017 SMA Solar Ingresses show no symbolism for possibly endangering the Country, as a whole, pertaining to a military like war manner from North Korea. On the other hand, Boyd’s July 9, 2017 DC SSR, 12:24:20 PM, EDT is terribly afflicted. The lights (Sun & Moon) of this SSR are under potent assault from the combo of Mars & Pluto, a potential lethal combo.

Sun partile 180 Pluto
Moon partile 180 Mars

Using Jim’s teaching SSR guideline, DC/Prez/Country will react to this SSR in a potent Saturn Manner.

Boyd’s Saturn partile cnj SSR Asc, partile 90 SSR MC, 1,08 cnj SSR East Point.

Boyd’s 2017 SSR will be a good test to possibly learn some additional mundane astrology using Sidereal Astrology charts. Since SMA’s Solar Ingresses show no major malefic symbolism, I can only conclude that Boyd’s terribly afflicted 2017 SSR will manifest in one or two ways. Either the Country experiences another localized terrible terrorist attack, or the Prez comes under personal harm through serious health or political/domestic factors. As has been written by Jim and earlier myself, Trump’s astro cycles for the next few months are very malefic. I think I see through the lens of Sidereal Astrology with Boyd’s and Trump’s charts a time frame when the worst of these malefic cycles manifests. To be continued…

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by SteveS » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:39 am

I am a great believer, “at it’s pure root,” Sidereal Astrology charts are “the study of the significance of “when.”
Continuing testing BOYD’S US 2017 SSR, I want to look at BOYD’S SLR’S and Quarter SSR’s throughout the solar year for possible timing when the malefic symbolism in Boyd’s 2017 SSR may be timed for malefic manifestation. First the SSR Quarters. The only time I pay close attention to a Quarter SSR is when I see tight angular symbolism with partile aspects indicating an ‘outstanding incident’, or when I see tight/partile aspects with the Quarter Sun or Quarter Moon. SSR’s Moons are critically important when involved with tight/partile aspects. The link below is for Boyd’s Oct 10 Quarter SSR, it is very nasty.
Note in this Quarter SSR: Partile 90 of Mars-Saturn (“harmful or destructive energy”), with SSR Moon involved in a tight 180 with SSR Saturn and tight 90 with SSR Mars-- forming a tight T-Square aspect with Moon-Saturn- Mars. Now note: Trump was born under a Full-Moon, Sun 28,56 Tau, Moon 27,13 Scorpio, noting his Full-Moon is tightly aspected to the Moon-Saturn-Mars t-square in Boyd’s Oct 10 Quarter SSR. What could this Quarter SSR be symbolizing for a nation? We never know the specifics for a possible future manifestation with a Sidereal Chart, but we do know, if this Boyd’s Quarter SSR activates itself, it will have something to do with “harmful or destructive energy.” This same “harmful or destructive energy” is symbolized for Trump’s Natal Chart when we note transiting Mars & Saturn is dynamically aspected to Trump’s Natal Full-Moon. In other words, both Boyd’s Quarter SSR transit highlights and the transit highlights to Trump’s Natal Full-Moon are symbolizing the same energy— “harmful and destructive.”
Trump has an “outstanding incident” SLR, 10/24/2017, 4:24:05 AM EDT, Washington DC, 38N54, 077W02. Note Trump’s Natal Full-Moon falls on the SLR MC/IC axis.

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:47 am

"Significance of when" is a great phrase.

I recently summarized the root principle of astrology is being that each intersection of time and space (or each point in time-space) has a unique character, and whatever exists at that intersection-point partakes of its nature.

Steve, have you yet had the chance to see my just-posted mundane predictions for the month beginning June 12? The third page is "Trump Watch," and I was rather blown away by what was emerging for the next month.
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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by SteveS » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:34 am

Jim wrote:
"Significance of when" is a great phrase.
This phrase originated from an AA article by Clay Reed in the 90’S. Matthew told me: outside of you, Clay impressed him more than any other living Siderealists. I think I have read all of Clay’s AA articles back in the 90’s, and without completely understanding a-lot of the content, I too was impressed. When I was confined to bed months ago, I re-read Clay’s articles taking certain notes where I could address/ask questions about some of Clay’s article content with you on this forum for better clarity/understanding. Clay’s Sidereal Astrology mind, I think, could possibly help us to discover more Sidereal Astrology. There is nobody, better than you, who I know who could do a rapid analysis of some of Clay’s work, in order to maybe learn/prove more.
Jim wrote:
Steve, have you yet had the chance to see my just-posted mundane predictions for the month beginning June 12? The third page is "Trump Watch," and I was rather blown away by what was emerging for the next month.
Yes, I have read, and I am also blown away. Jim, I have been looking at Sidereal Astrology charts for Presidents for a long time. Never have I seen such malefic symbolism hitting a President for the next few months, it’s absolutely horrible.

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:19 am

I'm sure that I don't have any of Clay's articles, and I'm not familiar with him. I wasn't reading AA during the 90s.
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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:09 pm

I just discovered I have a superpower.
I moved this whole topic out of the temporary directory and into Misc on Mundane Astrology.

I hope I didn't make anybody dizzy. Sorry.

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Re: Boyd USA Chart... 911, SSQ

Post by SteveS » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:13 pm

I am going to attempt to explain some of Clay’s articles later, but this may be difficult since I am not sure I understand some of his Sidereal Astrology methods. Even if I reach a stage where I do understand his methods, if I can’t reproduce his charts with SF, then it will not advance my learning. I may scan and e-mail you a few of his complete articles in order my start-up questions to you can be better understood for possible answers.

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