Possible solution to fixed stars in astrology
What if i told you i found a way how to properly (pending statistical confirmation) delineate fixed stars not just for the angles but planets as well in a mundane framework?
When i was playing around in solar fire time ago trying to superimpose things for altitude conjunctions or rapt parallels and so on... i realized that you can superimpose fixed stars as user defined points in solar fire.
That got me thinking about things...
In my opinion stars should be delineated mundanely in prime vertical campanus mundoscope!
The same way we delineate planetary angularity for horizon (asc dsc) and meridian (mc ic) should be used for fixed stars. As for non-foreground mundane planets i accept de facto conjunction effect of any 2 or more planets conjunct in mundoscope (read this topic viewtopic.php?p=8733#p8733 , point number 2 "Non-Foreground Mundane Aspects").
Astrology software that i've come across offered various forms of fixed star modules, listings and so on...
Solar fire offers in chart reports:
star aspects (longitudinal positions) AND
star parans (mundane supposedly)
I then realized the following:
1. Star parans produce incorrect mundane orbs compared to mundoscope, sometimes 1 degree off, sometime 2 or more degrees off compared to pv mundoscope.
2. You can use only angles, since planets are only processed in "rise-asc upper-mc set-dsc lower-ic" angle framework, therefore you cannot use them for exact date time location for natal and mundane charts. Star parans for planets produces a projected position of planets at angles at the time when the planet reached that angle in the span of 24 hours. For me that type of parans (they call them rotated parans which is what solar fire uses) are a complete joke. Thats not astrology. Astrology is exact date time location when a chart is cast.
That was the big discovery!
This means we must not use software's star aspects and star parans. Both are invalid. For me longitude positions of fixed stars for delineation are completely useless and worthless except to know their projected ecliptical positions (the only bright stars close to the ecliptic up to 1 degree are zuben elgenubi, regulus and acrab, and even 1 degree is too much since mundanely they can fall out of orbs that we have set beforehand).
So how to project fixed stars mundanely in prime vertical mundoscope?
Follow this guideline (solar fire v8):
1. First fire up the SF fixed star editor. Then click File, then open Starfile.fst. Inside you will find 290 stars. Thats too much, there's too many dim, low brightness stars there, i dont believe dim stars have any astrological influence except for a couple of zodiacal constellational dim stars such as cancer's praesaepe, acubens, asellus and hyades prima hyadum (taurus) and so on...
Then click edit, then sort...then select magnitude then click sort.
Then go to the bottom of the star list where Copula star is then press delete button on the fixed star editor screen, keep deleting them while keeping your eye on the magnitude value in the middle of the screen and constellation name. Spare some zodiacal stars delete all dim stars until you reach about 3.2 magnitude stars. I trimmed them to 135 stars. (remember the brighter the star the lower the magnitude will be, sirius is -1.4 while lets say situla is +5.3 magnitude)
Then go to file, save as and save you star list with a new name in the same folder.
2. Fire up Solar Fire. Go to chart options, displayed user-defined points then click create (when it asks you for file name i suggest starSTACK1). Do this 4 time for starSTACK1, starSTACK2, starSTACK3, starSTACK4.
Then select starSTACK1 click edit, go to point type, select fixed star, click below select file and select the star list that you created and named in phase 1 above.
Because i have 135 stars in my list, im going to seperate them in 4 stacks of about 30 stars equal number of quantity. You will see later why this phase is necessary.
So for example starSTACK1 we select stars (because they are listed alphabetically) achernar to about avior. Then we click save button.
For starSTACK2 we go from below avior that is bellatrix to the next 30 stars.
And so on until we have divided all the stars in our list to 4 stacks.
3. Now we are ready to start superimposing stars in mundoscope.
Fire up USA chart
4 Jul 1776 NS 12:14:42 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
ASC 21,55 virgo, MC 24 gemini
Open it with double click, then right click, select displayed userdefined points and select starSTACK1. Then go back to calculated chart screen, select USA chart and fire up a z-analogue prime vertical.
Double click USA z-analogue prime vertical and there you have it.
The same method for other star stacks.
When you dont want stars superimposed anymore select none.ptu in user definedpoints screen.
Now for my suggested guidelines (not implying that my guidelines are de facto astrological dogma or whatever)
1. Orbs for angles are 3 degrees, dont go past 3 degrees, in my experience that is where the cutoff line is.
2. Orbs for non-angular planets with stars are 1 degree (1 degree 30 minutes maximum, dont go past 1.30 that is where the cutoff line is.) I prefer 1 degree mundane conjunction
Use only conjunctions, i must stress the importance of using only conjunctions with stars in mundoscope, and in my experience, there is a difference whether the star is conjunct asc or dsc, likewise mc ic, much to my surprise, some old astrologers and even the ancient astrologers have gotten it right regarding this in my opinion (for example a star conj. asc will give specific effects regarding the physical flesh bone body or physical abilities, while the same star conj. lets say MC will give different effect, certainly not regarding the body.)
Now if you check Mars in USA mundo chart you will see that it is conjunct the star al hecka and el nath (both bull horns, taurus)
mars 5 12
al hecka 5 00
el nath 4 36
that is 12 min partile orb for al hecka and 36 min partile orb for el nath, while in rotated star paran (change to display as LST angles in settings)
mars upper 80 26min
al hecka 81 05min-----39 min orb
el nath 78 03min-----2 degrees 23 min orb!!!
Observe the MC for USA chart
MC 106 57min
Castor 110 05min
that is 3 degrees 8 min orb, above the 3degree limit
castor 2degrees 40 min
And no one ever uses 12 min 30 sec time orb (thats what 3 degree orb is in time!) in rotated parans from exactness, which makes rotated parans a complete nonsense.
Here is one natal example:
Fire up Arnold Schwarzenegger natal chart
ANKAA alpha phoenix conj. ASC 1deg28min
Michael Phelps natal (De Jabrun rectified 4:00 am time)
ANKAA conj ASC 2deg14min
Both are known for being champion athletes, magnificent physical specimens, supernormal physical abilities and so on... and both have Ankaa on the ascendant, not on other angles or planets, giving credibility that the ascendant represents the physical body
Coincidence? You be the judge...
Thats how astrologers would form a database of fixed stars pv mundo contacts, procuring as much of charts with the same stars conj. the same angles and planets, and then writing down what kind of pattern these natives or events showed or exhibited, that means every fixed star book or whatever has no descriptions with stars in pv mundo, we dont know what we will find...
A reminder, the only star that behaves in a weird fashion is of course the pole star polaris, bc of its high declination 89 deg, too many times i saw it conjunct MC in mundoscope, ignore it all other stars are fine, the same way houses behave weird in polar altitudes...
One more thing :
1. lets for now ignore ecliptical squares to asc and mc (which means we take a stars ecliptical position within 2 or 3 degree orb conjunct those 2 ecliptical points which have the power of angularity)
2. and lets ignore for now RA right ascenscion conjunction with westpoint eastpoint (z-analogue RA) 2 or 3 degree orb which have the power of angularity
3. and lets ignore for now azimuth (z-analogue Azi) conjunction with vertex anti vertex (3 degree orb)
Lets focus only on pv mundoscope, 4 angles and 10 planets, dont use parans, and lets find out, for those of you who arent busy, what kind of star contact we get in our natal charts, solar and lunar returns, mundane ingresses, famous people and so on...
So to pick a possibility Mr. Eshelman wrote in this topic
I would pick number 4
The rest of questions i have outlined my opinion above, my current view on the matter.4. Fixed stars have a definite astrological influence, and nobody has ever figured it out correctly.
Feel free to voice your opinions, list your natal star contacts in pv mundoscope and ask any question you might have...