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by Jim Eshelman
Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:13 pm
Forum: Sidereal Solar Returns
Topic: Lee Harvey Oswald's final SSR
Replies: 4
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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's final SSR

A quick look at his transits:

[TO BE CONTINUED]
by Jim Eshelman
Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:08 pm
Forum: Sidereal Solar Returns
Topic: Lee Harvey Oswald's final SSR
Replies: 4
Views: 39
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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's final SSR

Dealy Plaza centers on 32N46'43" 96W48'31". The usual coordinates for Dallas are within a minute of arc, so always thought close enough. Oswald's SLR occurred November 20, two days before the shooting. It's also pretty busy: r Neptune on MC -7°57' t Pluto on MC -2°13' t Mercury on Asc -1°10' -------...
by Jim Eshelman
Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:02 pm
Forum: Sidereal Solar Returns
Topic: Lee Harvey Oswald's final SSR
Replies: 4
Views: 39
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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's final SSR

What everybody agrees happened to him in the month or so lived after this birthday: He was arrested, charged with murder, and then killed in cold blood on live national TV. What is also believed or alleged to have occurred is that he single-handedly killed President Kennedy. Does the chart show the ...
by Jim Eshelman
Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:37 pm
Forum: Sidereal Solar Returns
Topic: Lee Harvey Oswald's final SSR
Replies: 4
Views: 39
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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's final SSR

Here is the breakdown if this very busy chart with nine highly malefic foreground planets. It especially captures the essence of the most malefic aspect of the time, the Saturn-Neptune square. t Mars on IC -8°56' r Mars on WP-a -1°24' r Uranus on Z -0°21' t Saturn on WP -0°17' ----------------------...
by Jim Eshelman
Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:32 pm
Forum: Sidereal Solar Returns
Topic: Lee Harvey Oswald's final SSR
Replies: 4
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Lee Harvey Oswald's final SSR

Where did Lee Harvey Oswald spend his final birthday (October 18, 1963)? This has been difficult to determine but it seems he was already in Irving, Texas near Dallas. The standard story is that his wife went to Irving, Texas (essentially Dallas) September 23. Lee somehow ended up in Houston where h...
by Jim Eshelman
Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:35 pm
Forum: Sidereal Solar Returns
Topic: JFK's final Solar Return
Replies: 7
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Re: JFK's final Solar Return

I wonder where he should have gone. Ironically... Dallas! (Waco even better.) For Dallas he had Jupiter on Midheaven - another great example of how solar returns don't relocate with you as you move about the year. But Texas wasn't perfect. Anyplace that brings his Venus brings the Venus-Neptune opp...
by Jim Eshelman
Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:00 pm
Forum: Sidereal Solar Returns
Topic: JFK's final Solar Return
Replies: 7
Views: 78
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Re: JFK's final Solar Return

The grandfather of a friend of mine was on the Warren Commission. He endorsed and defended the findings when they came out then later changed his mind in part. He also started taking strong stands against J. Edgar Hoover and certain segments of the armed forces. Coincidentally, he died in a plane cr...
by Jim Eshelman
Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:56 am
Forum: Sidereal Solar & Lunar Ingresses & Quotidians
Topic: Nov 5 2024 Election Day Arisolar Quotidian
Replies: 3
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Re: Nov 5 2024 Election Day Arisolar Quotidian

Full Arisolar breakdown for Washington. It's more Jupiter-Uranus than Mars-Saturn (but, like the 2017 Capsolar, it's both).

Saturn on Z 0°08'
Uranus on EP 0°27'
Jupiter on EP 1°35'
Mars widely angular
-- Jupiter-Uranus co 0°14'
-- Mars-Saturn co 2°02'
Moon-Venus sq 1°03'
by Jim Eshelman
Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:51 am
Forum: Sidereal Solar & Lunar Ingresses & Quotidians
Topic: Nov 5 2024 Election Day Arisolar Quotidian
Replies: 3
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Re: Nov 5 2024 Election Day Arisolar Quotidian

I think there's a lot of violence or at least stirred outrage during that whole period. The AriQ isn't a very important chart but, particularly if the Capsolar is completely silent by transit and quotidian, it has a voice.
by Jim Eshelman
Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:33 am
Forum: Sidereal Solar Returns
Topic: JFK's final Solar Return
Replies: 7
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Re: JFK's final Solar Return

Once I saw Johnon's chart, I never again though him complicit. I'm pretty sure that Johnson learned a whole lot of surprising stuff immediately - things that pushed the direction he would go on things like Vietnam - but he also spent the rest of his time in office securing and guaranteeing JFK's pri...
by Jim Eshelman
Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:54 am
Forum: Sidereal Solar Returns
Topic: JFK's final Solar Return
Replies: 7
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JFK's final Solar Return

President Kennedy's final lunar return is quite famous. In particular, it's dual indications for Washington (where it set up) and Dallas (where he was killed) are wondrous symbolism. I'd never been sure where his final Solar Return occurred - whether, for example, he went home to Hyannis Port to cel...
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 3:37 pm
Forum: Publications & Software
Topic: Handbook of Sidereal Natal Interpretations
Replies: 15
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Re: Handbook of Sidereal Natal Interpretations

Thank you for noticing that. I'm actually almost as proud of the layout as I am of the content. I had a particular vision of how the inter pages should look. I'm sure the side-by-side Sun and Moon sign pages will make studying the signs and the Sun-Moon contrast easier than it's ever been. (I think ...
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:22 pm
Forum: Publications & Software
Topic: Handbook of Sidereal Natal Interpretations
Replies: 15
Views: 313
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Re: Handbook of Sidereal Natal Interpretations

Thanks :) Very good to hear this positive feedback about the delivery.

Was it shipped from the U.S.? I was wondering if maybe they had a European production site (which, of course, would avoid import duties and reduce shipping costs and timing).
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:19 am
Forum: Solar Return Progressions
Topic: Test of PSSR April 10-11
Replies: 8
Views: 143
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Re: Test of PSSR April 10-11

Here's a numerical way of saying it, using the "SLR Themes" scoring system I've been developing for a few years. The LA return looks like this: r Moon on Dsc -9°57' t Saturn on Dsc -1°48' ------------------------- t Mars on Dsc +0°41' Class 1 (and partile) Mars, Class 1 Saturn, and Class 3 Moon angu...
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:08 am
Forum: Solar Return Progressions
Topic: Test of PSSR April 10-11
Replies: 8
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Re: Test of PSSR April 10-11

So if I understand, you think the KC SLR Venus will alleviate the LA Mars-Saturn SLR, but still expecting some Mars-Saturn when you get back to LA from KC, correct? Simple answer: Yes. More robust answer: My experience has been that when you move during a lunar return period, you get both charts. T...
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:28 am
Forum: Solar Return Progressions
Topic: Test of PSSR April 10-11
Replies: 8
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Re: Test of PSSR April 10-11

Smart Jim. A really good test for Sidereal locational astrology. Oh, I know how it will work. It will work as if I have both of those returns at the same time with a slight favoring of the KC chart. The next layer, though, is that the LA Mars-Saturn chart matches the pending Mars-Saturn opposite PS...
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:12 am
Forum: Sidereal Solar & Lunar Ingresses & Quotidians
Topic: DC's 2024 Libsolar
Replies: 7
Views: 129
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Re: DC's 2024 Libsolar

Nobody knows.
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:09 am
Forum: Solar Return Progressions
Topic: Test of PSSR April 10-11
Replies: 8
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Re: Test of PSSR April 10-11

The April 6 SLR for home is: r Moon on Dsc -9°57' t Saturn on Dsc -1°48' ------------------------- t Mars on Dsc +0°41' t Mars-Saturn co 2°30' M If I fly to the Kansas City International Airport (38N17'51" 94W42'50"), it becomes; t Venus on Dsc +0°02' t Neptune on Dsc +3°56' r Moon on Dsx +7°53' t V...
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:45 am
Forum: Sidereal Solar & Lunar Ingresses & Quotidians
Topic: DC's 2024 Libsolar
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Re: DC's 2024 Libsolar

However, there is one thing I hadn't noticed about the Libsolar before: It's Moon is 7°11' Aries. Biden's Moon is 7°03' Aries!
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:42 am
Forum: Sidereal Solar & Lunar Ingresses & Quotidians
Topic: DC's 2024 Libsolar
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Re: DC's 2024 Libsolar

Here's the full breakdown: LIBSOLAR Pluto on MC 2°01' Mercury on WP-a 0°30' Moon on EP 0°55' Uranus on Asc 3°27' Venus more widely foreground -- Venus-Uranus op 1°12' M -- Sun-Uranus sq 1°43' PVP -- Sun-Pluto sq 2°15' PVP -- Moon-Pluto sq 2°37' -- Moon-Mercury op 3°46' M Moon-Sun op 1°40' M I don't ...
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:45 am
Forum: Solar Return Progressions
Topic: Test of PSSR April 10-11
Replies: 8
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Test of PSSR April 10-11

The Mars-Saturn conjunction April 10 will be exactly opposite my PSSR Moon. This is a pretty good test of the value of the PSSR. (Only pretty good because I have a vicious SLR a few days earlier that I'll be leaving town for - and then returning so that I have the SLR LA angles as well.) At noon on ...
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:53 am
Forum: Publications & Software
Topic: Handbook of Sidereal Natal Interpretations
Replies: 15
Views: 313
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Re: Handbook of Sidereal Natal Interpretations

Very cool. I'm happy you're happy :) Wow, wow and wow!! Lulu did a fantastic job. I'm impressed with the quality of the book at such a reasonable price!! Great layout and presentation, love the fonts and stylings and room for legitimate notes!! You look dashing, that's a great photo of you. Why, tha...
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:44 am
Forum: Misc. on Natal Astrology
Topic: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand
Replies: 115
Views: 63782
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Re: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand

I have deleted a post half of which was a belligerent attack. This has never been acceptable here and I will continue to delete every post that attacks a member of this forum. The person who posted it has done some form of outright attack in every post for months and, regrettably, probably will be p...
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:40 am
Forum: The Planets
Topic: Understanding Mars' Fundamental Needs (meditation)
Replies: 0
Views: 40
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Understanding Mars' Fundamental Needs (meditation)

The proposal is that everybody spend about one week on the following meditation, keeping a record of your results and sharing them here. Enjoy! Fundamental Need of MARS: Power needs: aggression, dominance, controlling others, opposition, independence, contrariness, defense, deference to strength. E...
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:09 am
Forum: Mundane Events
Topic: March 2024 Events
Replies: 5
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Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse

March 26, 2024, 1:28 AM EDT, Baltimore, MD at 39N13'01", 76W31'42" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Scott_Key_Bridge_collapse An iconic Baltimore bridge critical to local traffic flow collapsed this morning when it was struck by a freight ship (the Dali out of Singapore carrying Danish cargo). ...
by Jim Eshelman
Tue Mar 26, 2024 6:59 am
Forum: Solar Return Progressions
Topic: Quick PSSR question for Janus 5
Replies: 2
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Re: Quick PSSR question for Janus 5

PSSR in Solar Fire isn't a PSSR. It's something else unrelated (have never quite figured it out, maybe a Key Cycle). So forget SF's treatment of a PSSR. As far as I know, J5 is accurate. I've never checked it but it seems right. As I recall, both SQ and PSSR in J5 have options for either RAMS or RAA...
by Jim Eshelman
Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:02 pm
Forum: Publications & Software
Topic: Handbook of Sidereal Natal Interpretations
Replies: 15
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Re: Handbook of Sidereal Natal Interpretations

At the bottom of the ordering page is a link to rate and review.
https://www.lulu.com/shop/james-a-eshel ... pageSize=4

Reviews and starting to get ratings probably would help the cause along. :)
by Jim Eshelman
Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:35 pm
Forum: Publications & Software
Topic: Handbook of Sidereal Natal Interpretations
Replies: 15
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Re: Handbook of Sidereal Natal Interpretations

SteveS wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:38 pm
Received your book today Jim. 8-)
Excellent. (Faster turn-around than I expected.) Thank you.

Any impressions?
by Jim Eshelman
Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:15 am
Forum: Recent Major Events
Topic: Beatlemania
Replies: 1
Views: 96
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Beatlemania

I see I've never studied this gigantic mass-mind event. Probably that's due to it being spread across many months. I think, though, that we can concentrate the timing of Beatlemania in the U.S. with the Fab 4's landing in New York City and first appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show (even though one of...
by Jim Eshelman
Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:32 am
Forum: Solar Arc Directions
Topic: Solar arcs for JFK assasination
Replies: 16
Views: 657
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Re: Solar arcs for JFK assasination

Similarly...

Liblunar for Dallas (sudden violence)
Pluto on WP-a 0°07'
Uranus on Dsc 2°57'
Mars on Z 1°55'

Mars-Pluto sq 0°02'


Liblunar for Washington (political overthrow)
Jupiter on Asc 1°51'
Pluto on Dsc 2°54'
Moon very widely angular

Jupiter-Pluto op 1°02' M
by Jim Eshelman
Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:19 am
Forum: Solar Arc Directions
Topic: Solar arcs for JFK assasination
Replies: 16
Views: 657
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Re: Solar arcs for JFK assasination

JFK SLR for Dallas (sudden violence) t Pluto on WP-a -2°31' ---------------------------- t Mars on Z +0°29' r Moon on Dsc +0°43' t Uranus on Dsc +0°55' r Venus on IC +3°01' t Uranus co r Moon 0°28' M t Uranus sq r Venus 2°06' M t Mars-Pluto sq -2°11' t Mars-Uranus sq +2°12' t Pluto co r Moon 3°58' ...
by Jim Eshelman
Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:42 am
Forum: Sidereal Solar Returns
Topic: 2023 - TERRIBLE SSR
Replies: 101
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Re: 2023 - TERRIBLE SSR

Without a birth time, we are a little limited, of course; but here is what is visible to me. First, your Suns are conjunct - your birthdays are nearly the same. This has advantages and disadvantages but, mostly, I have never understood why this is common in marriages, though. What it means is that y...
by Jim Eshelman
Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:20 am
Forum: Discuss Your Own Horoscope
Topic: Bad time
Replies: 2
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Re: Bad time

Could someone give me a briefing on planetary influences on my college year from 1987 Sept through to the year of 1988? Hitting the highlights: Transits show it as a time of significant change and challenge. While one would expect college to open one's mind to new things, you attended as Pluto squa...
by Jim Eshelman
Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:36 am
Forum: Misc. on Natal Astrology
Topic: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand
Replies: 115
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Re: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand

I have found no other astrological component other than the AS/MC to explain to me WHY this is so... At one time with our long association together on this forum, I think you said the extra strength to my r Neptune may be explained by its partile 90 to my Vertex, but I think you said you had no cha...
by Jim Eshelman
Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:27 pm
Forum: Horoscopes of Interest
Topic: Oscar Eckenstein
Replies: 2
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Re: Oscar Eckenstein

The ancient Egyptian words for Mars, knife, and lion were all the same word.
by Jim Eshelman
Sun Mar 24, 2024 2:23 pm
Forum: Horoscopes of Interest
Topic: Oscar Eckenstein
Replies: 2
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Oscar Eckenstein

Eckenstein, a railway engineer by profession, was one of the most important figures in modern mountain climbing. For example, he invented the modern crampon, pioneered important techniques, and was the first climber to make several difficult climbs. Additionally, he was a mentor of young Aleister Cr...
by Jim Eshelman
Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:30 am
Forum: Misc. on Natal Astrology
Topic: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand
Replies: 115
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Re: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand

The biggest event around transiting Neptune's conjunction with my Mercury was much more an expression of Neptune transiting my Saturn. During a tonsillectomy I bled to death for a while. The event was minimized by everyone and repercussions seemed small at the time then unfolded across many years of...
by Jim Eshelman
Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:13 am
Forum: Misc. on Natal Astrology
Topic: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand
Replies: 115
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Re: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand

Switching to transits, Pluto's conjunction with my Mercury was an unusually critical time beginning in December 1987. It's impossible to overstate the importance of this time since it was also the climax of the biggest concentration of transits ever. That is, while the events clearly fit Pluto's tra...
by Jim Eshelman
Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:54 am
Forum: Misc. on Natal Astrology
Topic: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand
Replies: 115
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Re: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand

Transits and directions to my Mercury have always been as important as to anything else (other than luminaries and angles having louder noise) but I haven't noticed those to Mercury having more or exceptional importance (despite the strong presence of Mercury in my nature). The first major Solar Arc...
by Jim Eshelman
Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:35 am
Forum: Misc. on Natal Astrology
Topic: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand
Replies: 115
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Re: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand

t. Pluto = my direct midpoint of AS/MC = Neptune. The exact Pluto transits for this timing happened on 11/6/1975; 3/27/1976; 9/3/1976. Was this Pluto to the midpoint or to Neptune? Was there an exact event here? When exactly did that occur? I've now had time to answer this. These were the transits ...
by Jim Eshelman
Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:42 am
Forum: Misc. on Natal Astrology
Topic: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand
Replies: 115
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Re: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand

Timing of events Jim. All I am saying in examining my 76 years of life, by far, the most dramatic life changing event(s) occurred in my life when [etc.] Then we might not be as far apart as it sometimes seems (though I still have no certainty that this particular midpoint even exists). The eventish...
by Jim Eshelman
Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:34 am
Forum: Misc. on Natal Astrology
Topic: Assessing the Asc/MC midpoint
Replies: 4
Views: 159
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Re: Assessing the Asc/MC midpoint

My midpoint is 7 Aries and I have no planets close by any of the 4 points. That point is also my Mercury/Venus point, as well as my Pluto/Moon/Neptune/Jupiter....I am still sorting thoughts about that combination and if it has any real relevant meaning or adds details or emphasis to my unfolding ch...
by Jim Eshelman
Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:25 am
Forum: "Many Things"
Topic: Character is destiny. What about freedom from restriction?
Replies: 6
Views: 178
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Re: Character is destiny. What about freedom from restriction?

A slightly later section is a section I don't quote often but I think it has one of the handiest guides to navigating all of this. I think they speak to some of the questions you raised. FWIW: Will (the dynamic expression of our character) manifests most powerfully, freely, and joyfully when it is ...
by Jim Eshelman
Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:18 am
Forum: "Many Things"
Topic: Character is destiny. What about freedom from restriction?
Replies: 6
Views: 178
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Re: Character is destiny. What about freedom from restriction?

Here is the short section I wrote on this sentence in my book Pearls of Wisdom. “Do what thou wilt” is an elegant phrase that embodies profound teachings. However, as you perhaps have noticed, real understanding of these four simple words requires specialized knowledge – or at least some long expla...
by Jim Eshelman
Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:09 am
Forum: "Many Things"
Topic: Character is destiny. What about freedom from restriction?
Replies: 6
Views: 178
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Re: Character is destiny. What about freedom from restriction?

What I'm saying is, if character is destiny then we're imprisoned by fixed constraints like animals? I thought destiny was freeing ourselves of restrictions, of rising above our auto-pilot stupidities? As with many discussions, it matters how you define the words. The sentence is, of course, more l...
by Jim Eshelman
Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:03 pm
Forum: Misc. on Natal Astrology
Topic: Assessing the Asc/MC midpoint
Replies: 4
Views: 159
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Re: Assessing the Asc/MC midpoint

What follows is a first impression. I can't guarantee it will be a final impression after research and discussion. Scanning these lists, I find several interesting "hits" and also several clear "misses." I'm looking with an eye to: Is this planet acting in the natal chart as if it were closely angul...
by Jim Eshelman
Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:03 pm
Forum: Misc. on Natal Astrology
Topic: Assessing the Asc/MC midpoint
Replies: 4
Views: 159
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Re: Assessing the Asc/MC midpoint

Sun = A/M Aretha Franklin, Ernst May, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Farrah Fawcett, Janet Baker, King Edward VIII, Kourtney Kardashian, Lord Byron, Pat Nixon, Paul Simon, Pres. John F. Kennedy, Priscilla Presley, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Sandra Bernhard, Sarah Bernhardt, Sen. John Glenn, VP Kamala Harris Moon =...
by Jim Eshelman
Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:58 pm
Forum: Misc. on Natal Astrology
Topic: Assessing the Asc/MC midpoint
Replies: 4
Views: 159
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Assessing the Asc/MC midpoint

As has been discussed many times on this forum over the years, there are strong opposing views regarding the Ascendant/Midheaven midpoint (hereafter called A/M ). On the one hand, founders and leading proponents of Cosmobiology have granted it significant importance - as they have done with all midp...
by Jim Eshelman
Sat Mar 23, 2024 2:50 pm
Forum: Sidereal Solar Returns
Topic: Mate SSR 2024
Replies: 4
Views: 194
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Re: Mate SSR 2024

Fantastic. Enjoy! :)

Isn't it interesting how the planets seem to drive us toward a particular place? I reread what I read above and it was almost as if you were being hurted toward that location.
by Jim Eshelman
Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:15 am
Forum: Misc. on Natal Astrology
Topic: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand
Replies: 115
Views: 63782
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Re: Excellent Natal Midpoint Rules, by Robert Hand

Are you only talking about the timing of events? What about character? My main concern is whether these have an effect about who somebody is, not what happens to them. (I might agree with you more for event timing,.) All four of them are direct midpoints between the Horizon and meridian, and I would...