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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by Arena » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:48 am

Have you explored your chart in terms of solar arcs?
What you should be seeing now in your life is increased vitality and possibly attention, being in the limelight somehow... the d. Sun is moving into your n. ASC now if the chart is right. Your d. DSC should be on n. Mars which can indicate a period of quarrels, sex and action. Your d. Venus is on your n. Mer.

What happened when d. Pluto moved to your n. Moon and IC - did you part with loved ones/experience divorce or death or relocation? At the same time, or around 20 your d. Jup comes to n. Venus denoting a love experience.

What happened when you were about 8-10 when the ASC/DSC moved to the nodes and d. Sun squared Pluto? During a similar period your d. Ur-Sat conj is on n. Nep.

When are you most likely to relocate?
I think the t. Jupiter might be a trigger when it comes to your Uranus. Another trigger may be when your d. Moon is conjunct n. Uranus which is now and your d. Uranus opposes your n. Sun which is in a couple of years from now.

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:55 am

martin88 wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:13 am
Yes, they said 9:15 local time.
Though it won't make a LOT of difference, I note that this is 2 minutes different from the 9:13 you gave us originally.
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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by martin88 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:05 pm

Arena, I was very happy at age 9-10 but yeah my aunt died when I was 8. I was generally very happy/confident in the 90s all the way until the summer of 2001 around my 13th birthday when I suppose my autoimmune disorder first appeared affecting my thinking. I’ve been mostly depressed/anxious ever since. I had some remission in 2003 at age 14.5/15 and a big one in 2013/14 at age 25. At 26 it all hit the fan again and been in constant depression since then.

Jim, yes my mother was unsure about my birth hours, excuse me.

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:23 pm

It doesn't make a lot of difference. Jupiter is still within 1° of MC for Sofia.
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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by martin88 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:35 am

Weird I can never find a good job here, it’s all call centers or administrative stuff I hate.

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by Arena » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:42 am

martin88, is it possible that the birth time is entirely wrong? That it is not even anywhere near 9.15?
I get the feeling that you've not actually seen your hospital records/birth certificate?

What you've had to say in this thread sure does not sound like you've got Jup-Moon as such tightly angular planets. That is a success aspect.

Check out your solar arcs - they should tell a story.
Solar arc Pluto to an angle like IC should not go unnoticed, age 21 with this chart and IF your solar arc DSC would have just passed by n. Mars that would not have gone unnoticed either...

Are both of your parents alive and together or divorced?
Did you ever relocate your residence in your life?

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by martin88 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:16 am

No, they’re still together. As for the jobs, a large part of Eastern Europe relies on call centers and boring administrative outsourcing jobs. All else is left is IT. No possibilities for marketing, design and the creative/performing arts. I have a Neptune to Mars aspect - autoimmune disease related to sexuality. Only cure is abstinence.

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by Arena » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:36 pm

You're not answering my questions.

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by martin88 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:01 am

I relocated several times. To the Netherlands (it was terrible, now I know it’s my Pluto line), Vienna (I was moody and too nostalgic about my home city so I didn’t like Moon line energy).

Btw, I have Chiron in the 10th house so it's no wonder why my social standing and career success is hard to come by. I even let a girl copy my work at school once and she had a higher mark, this is typical 10th house Chiron. It's like I've been stuck in a string of service (administrative) jobs with little appreciation whatsoever.

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:17 am

What house system you're using? The first few I checked all have it in the 11th, though I'm sure there are some systems that let it flip back to the 10th. (It's just a little more than 30° past MC in longitude.)

It's extremely unusual that someone with Jupiter as close to MC as you, also aspecting Moon and Sun, also without strong afflictions would have social standing and career success denied.
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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by martin88 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:39 pm

Jim, I used Astro.com I think. But you’re right, I now used AstroTheme and it’s in 11th. Then I don’t know what is the issue perhaps the last psychic is right? She told me I must do a creative job to unblock my luck and follow my karmic path (with Venus in the 10th and true node in Pisces maybe she’s on to something). Maybe it’s just the stereotypically Virgo jobs I continue taking set me back into my karma. I also think I benefit from less computer use/screen time. It’s like computers and tech steal away my energy.

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by Arena » Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:40 am

martin88, I think the real problem here is that we do not have the correct time for your birth.

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:20 am

FWIW, I've had a different theory lately (though, of course, I'm speculating). I'm going on how Martin described himself and details of his relationships to the different locations he's lived or visited - most of this information he has edited out of the thread by now, so I'm going from memory and might be remembering wrong.

What I've been toying with is that IIRC he has most disliked places where the local culture had people trying to connect to him and 'not leave him alone.' It could be that he is getting exactly what that angular Jupiter or well-aspected natal Moon would normally give, but it's not what he wants or feels comfortable with. It would be nice to get those details back in the thread about how he related to each location.

With the data compilations I've been doing on fixed stars - which I consider speculative or exploratory, not something we know to be true or working - I notice that he was born (presuming his birth time is correct, since his mother's independent memory is within 2 minutes of the subsequently discovered recorded time) - he was born at the rising of Alphard, the Alpha star in the constellation Hydra. If there is anything to these stars, this stirs three very interesting points: (1) Alphard is called "the solitary one," and I think this is descriptive of Martin's character in ways that the rest of the chart wouldn't suggest. (2) My tradition, Alphard is related to toxins and poisons, which ties into the strong impact his auto-immune disease has had on him for years. (3) By mythology, Hydra would seem to infer to strong impact from toxic elements pushing up from subconsciousness.

It's just a thought... just a theory... but I've been considering that the relocations have all been accurately describing the locales but that Martin doesn't personally like those results.
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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by martin88 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:29 am

Jupiter and Moon square Ascendant on gentle curves through Germany and pother places. For example, Moon square Ascendant exactly passes through Rome (exactly!),
Jim, just to report this - apparently Astro.com lists those Jupiter and Moon lines as negatives and in my experience they really are not good at all. I lived in Prague for a few months and didn’t like the atmosphere and energy of the place and the people felt cold. I visited recently and it was the same while Bratislava felt more down to earth if too emotional. It’s a mystery why in Bratislava I attracted females more than in Sofia and Prague. Anyway, I will visit Veliko Turnovo or Ruse to see how they feel (amazing looking cities btw). I also plan on visiting Eastern Poland like Rzeszow to feel it. No longer interested in Western Europe. :)

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:06 am

They probably consider all squares a bad.That's a Tropical theory that just doesn't hold up as a genealization. But I do understand and accept that these have been difficult places for you.
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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by martin88 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:54 am

I've come to terms with the fact I have better lines outside Europe proper. Actually some exotic islands have wonderful lines or crossings for me in Europe - Madeira, Canary island and the British Channel Islands like Jersey (it's better than Bavaria for me without any bad influences, Chiron line is good according to astro.com)

Elsewhere good lines are in exotic or faraway places like Morocco/West Sahara/Mauritania, New Caledonia, Winnipeg/Minneapolis/St Louis/New Orleans, Melbourne in Australia, and a Venus line in Yemen/Armenia/Georgia/Volgograd.

I'm more than ever open for a vacation to Jersey UK, and all those other islands. And Morrocan Western Sahara where my Sun line is. Living there is not that easy though.
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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:14 am

Jupiter is about having enough money, success in the eyes of your bosses, meaningful religion, that sort of thing. It's not about people liking you or romance or any of that. If you want warm relationships, look at your Venus line.

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by martin88 » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:36 am

Thanks!

Since I've posted I've already changed about 2 or 3 office jobs, lol. 9 to 5 feels like prison. I take it as a sign I have to try something in the arts (Pisces true node), but not desk-based like graphic design.
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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:18 am

Yeah. Lord of the Ascendant. 11th house vs 12th house Sun.
Sorry, but that's not a kind of astrology we value here, and we're not really interested in pitting what we do against whatever that is. It's NOT Sidereal astrology. Some kind of mish-mash with horary.

I'm sure that person is giving you his best ideas base on whatever it is he's calling astrology.
We have given you ours repeatedly. Nobody can give you a guarantee.

If you think you will find success in Russia, go for it.

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by martin88 » Fri May 22, 2020 1:06 am

Well, with regards to this post on the other forum, I think I've found which factor is the cause of the constant ego battles and power struggles between me and people: Pluto square Sun in my chart. It explains the lack of success, hiding my true desires and social anxiety about publicity & art, and attracting manipulative, vicious and (passive) agressive people. Hence why I don't think I'm fit for the typical office environment -- some the most power-hungry and ego-driven people tend to congregate at corporate jobs in my experience. I barely ever get congratulated but often criticized at work depsite doing quite good. If I couldn't find anything but entry level positions since 2013 it means jumping on the corporate ladder was not meant for me. With a Pisces true node I think I must follow my passions for once - the performing arts like dancing and avoid Virgo-ean desk jobs.

I mean you know a job sucks when a manager is doing passive agressive comments from your first day. At my last job so far at least 4 (!) team leads or managers have done that and I'm just 7 months in. Yes, most of them have since left but that's of little help when you're not allowed to grow at your career and besides there's always going to be a new team leader or manager to act negative to me. The only office/desk jobs I liked had like just 3-4 people so the chance of running into passive team leads or coworkers was lower. With this aspect I'll always attract such people, but at least I'd rather do at a job I would actually like or tolerate like in the performing arts. As for day jobs from now on I'll only work 100% remotely as I want to avoid office drama.

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri May 22, 2020 8:09 am

martin88 wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 1:06 am
Well, with regards to this post on the other forum, I think I've found which factor is the cause of the constant ego battles and power struggles between me and people: Pluto square Sun in my chart. It explains the lack of success, hiding my true desires and social anxiety about publicity & art, and attracting manipulative, vicious and (passive) agressive people. Hence why I don't think I'm fit for the typical office environment -- some the most power-hungry and ego-driven people tend to congregate at corporate jobs in my experience.
That's a pretty wide square: Sun at 6°59' Cancer and Pluto at 15°11' Libra are 8°12' from exact square. At an extreme, I might go as far as 7°30' on a square, but no further; and they usually operate at much closer orbs. Considering that you have eight major aspects within 6°, Sun-Pluto, at the very least, would be a very weak feature of your character.

I do mostly agree with your interpretation of Sun-Pluto. The main characteristics of people with strong Sun-Pluto aspects is that they act as a “law unto themselves” and consider themselves “the exception to the rules,” being more comfortable as an outsider. Tending to prefer being alone, they especially dislike other people's arbitrary expectations. I dislike the Tropical astrology tendency to think of "power" issues with Pluto and, while Moon-Pluto does tend to attract abuse and manipulation (Moon being receptive), Sun-Pluto isn't really known for that. It can, however, end up in conflicts (either with peers or bosses) because of just wanting to be left alone.

I looked to see if I could get a Sun-Pluto aspect in your chart in a different framework, such as a mundane aspect measured along a different measuring circle (the prime vertical). It just isn't there. But when I look for indications of "constant ego battles and power struggles," I do see contentious, struggling aspects, especially involving Mars. For example, Mars is closely trine your Sun, which can be restless, moody, impatient, stubborn, etc. Your Mars is in Pisces and square Neptune, which matches several of these traits. And, of course, your angular Moon is in Scorpio, intensifying Mars-like traits.

You might like my standard interpretation of Mars in Pisces. (This, of course, works out a little differently for each person.) "Sensitive, imaginative, fervent; weaves vivid drama, vibrant fantasy. Brooding, moody, surging into temptation, pursing depths and heights. Creative reality-weaving... Expect reality to match their wants (impatient with frustrated gratification). Passive-aggressive, manipulative. Looks at things most people leave hidden (death, abnormal sexuality, occultism, mysteries of life & the psyche)".
With a Pisces true node...
This phrase tells me you still aren't embracing the Sidereal view of your chart, since your North Node is in Tropical Pisces but Sidereal Aquarius.

I wouldn't attribute significant character patterns to a sign placement that lasts 19 months - every single person born in a year and a half period around your birthday has North Node in the same sign.
I mean you know a job sucks when a manager is doing passive agressive comments from your first day.
I'd certainly know that the manager sucked (and yes, that makes the job very uncomfortable). Is this the same manager that hired you for the job? What changed between your accepting the job and starting the job? If this happened to me more than once, I'd start examining what about my behavior / actions caused them to view me this way.
As for day jobs from now on I'll only work 100% remotely as I want to avoid office drama.
Working remotely is probably a really great thing right now - given the global pandemic - and will become a more available option going forward, so you might do really well at this.

"Office drama" is a great description of how Mars in Pisces square Neptune can work. You might also be at risk of making me more interested in house placements since almost everything you described above fits Mars on the 8th cusp closely aspecting Sun on the 12th cusp.
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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by martin88 » Sun May 31, 2020 12:16 am

Thanks, Jim. To a certain extent I believe there's something off about my energy lately that causes people to act like that, considering how I rose above negativity and bad luck with positive affirmations once. I was listening to binaural beats and positive affirmations back then every chance I got and somehow my energy was lifted. It seems that I need constant meditaion sessions to feel well and release negativity. I was living on my Pluto line for a few years, however, and there this stopped working. Now back on my Jupiter line I see they put me in the state more easily, so I will try them again but apparently Pluto lines make them stop working. :)

My subconscious mind is my worst enemy. I think Neptune is the subconscious mind, so it matches the Mars/Neptune aspect definition. As for career, I've decided to avoid most office jobs from now on, especially those who are so common today and require way too much sitting/computer time. Those jobs (clerical, administrative, phone sales) are really not very intelectually nor physically stimulating and this idleness causes me stress and negativity. Maybe it's no why so many people on them resort to drama and negativity, I bet they're bored by the tedious work, too. Being physically inactive all day also has its consequences. Farms, nature, and theaters seems like better working environments anyway, anything "hands on" seems a better match for me. Of course art is too hard to be the only career, so I'm trying to find out what day job I can do that is more active yet could sustain things like rent and other fees. ;)

As for relocation, I just got a thing called AstroFix My Best Places, which is a report on 1000 places in Europe. It confirms many of my gut feelings. Sofia is about low average for friendhips and family (96 out of 1000 total points) and Bratislava (700) and those on my Moon line are among the best ones with my favorites Budapest and Stockholm in the 900s.

Sofia's very high in the career category, but considering you need connections to have a good career here, my options here for a really good job are limited. Of course it helps in finding a job, any job easily, but those jobs I get here are tedious clerical ones that are not leading to a fullfilling life. All in all, it's not a place very supportive of social connections.

With a Scorpio moon living directly under a Moon line felt heavy, i.e. I made way more friends in Bratislava for a year than in Sofia for a decade, but the mood swings there were too much! It seems true though that Moon IC lines might indicate some past life connections to places as I feel drawn to South Italian, Croatian, Hungarian, Polish and Swedish cultures and languages (strangely not so much to Czech, Austrian and Slovak ones). I've never felt drawn to Greece and while AstroCartoGraphy lines and parans there might sound like the best in continential Europe for me, according to this report Athens only has a mere 2 points in the friends/family category, so making friends or a family there would be next to impossible (the maximum is 1000 points). I guess my gut feeling to refuse a job there was on to something. I might look into the areas between my Jupiter and Moon lines, but before any relocaiton I need to learnt to think and feel positive.

Here's an excerpt:
Top 1000 Places for Friendship and Family:
1: 1000 Visby, Sweden (57N38 18E18)
2-6: Other minor towns in Sweden and 1 in Poland
7: 1000 Gdansk, Poland (54N23 18E40)
...
10: 997 Zilina, Slovakia (49N14 18E46)
11: 991 Mariehamn, Finland (60N06 19E57)
12: 977 Abisko, Sweden (68N20 18E51)
13: 971 Tuzla, Bosnia (44N32 18E41)
14: 971 Osijek, Croatia (45N33 18E41)
15: 965 Stockholm, Sweden (59N20 18E03)
16: 942 Torun, Poland (53N02 18E35)
...
19: 927 Katowice, Poland (50N16 19E00)
...
22: 900 Budapest, Hungary (47N30 19E05)
...
491: 96 Sofia, Bulgaria (42N41 23E19)
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709: 2 Athens, Greece (37N58 23E43)

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sun May 31, 2020 2:14 am

That's based on David Cochrane's "vibrational" astrology. It's Vedic, although I have no idea which ayanamsa he uses. It's supposed to be based on aspects and midpoints, so maybe that doesn't matter.

It's not Sidereal, and this is a Sidereal site, so if you need help with it or want to discuss it, this probably isn't the best place for that. Maybe try Cochran's site?

BTW, Visby Sweden (on Gotland, not the mainland) is more or less on your Moon on the IC line. Emotional place for you close to the midpoint of your Mercury and Jupiter on MC lines, which is probably that report is getting at. But I don't know, of course.

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by martin88 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:12 am

Oh shoot, sorry! Well, I think I'd go with Skelleftea as it's more or less right between my Jupiter and Moon lines. ;) Actually, I'm joking... kinda. See, right now I'm no longer looking for relocation/job opportunities abroad with this lockdown and stuff. Of course with local economy here relying on connections I might think about it later. To put it simply, I can always find a job in Sofia, but it won't be a truly desirable one & this report confirms just that (also me having more frends in Slovakia but feeling less optimistic there). I also need some time to detox and recover from the effects of living on my Pluto line in the Netherlands for almost 3 years and bring back my optimism.

Anyway, right now, I'm more interested in learning a new language so I can experience new cultures, artists, new ways of thinking and looking at things. Looking at my report, it just confirms my gut feelings. I've always been drawn to the Sweden, Finland, Hungary, Poland and Southern Italy and those are my favorite places in their respective regions and language groups but due to German, Spanish and French being more popular I tried to force myself into liking them. Despite having some very nice parans in Bavaria, I'm not sure I like the culture there as much. Same for Morroco and Madeira, never felt drawn. Of course all those above are near my Moon IC line, so it's possible I've had many past lives there, hence the feeling of affinity to them.

I feel like I only get a limited world view reading sites in Bulgarian and English, and French websites focus too much on American celebrities and politics to be an alternative :lol: Also, car forums from America make little sense with their discussions of trucks and US-only models. I think I'll start with learning some Italian and Swedish as they seem the easiest of the bunch & maybe some bits of Polish as well. Maybe if I'm lucky I could gasp all of them one day, inlcuding at least the basics of scary Hungarian & Finnish. I have had exposue to things from all those cultures in my childhood, but I was so focussed on following US media and arts and learning French that I forgot what wonderful cultures I have access to and they're actually quite nearby. :)

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Re: Martin88's chart

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:15 am

I think learning the language(s) of places you want to try out is a very good idea, and you're more likely to make friends with people who live there.

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