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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:51 am

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Thanks! Sounds quite on target! I'd say it's "need for more freedom, more room, more..." etc.
I strongly agree with Jim. Very to-the-point and expected-of Uranus-to-Sun transit effects you're having.

Your observations fairly remind me of how my younger sister reacted to the transit when Uranus squared her Gemini Sun. She was 15 and 16 then. (Plus she had the transit angular in her SSRs.) Being unable to do much in life (and nothing much happening to her, I believe) she felt limited quickly became bored of life in general. She wanted to do something new and exciting that refreshes her whole sense of life but yes as I said nothing much happened to her and she became very bored of life, and also fairly frustrated by feeling "limited".

I suppose it was because she didn't take much initiative to do something about it (her life) and was passive, expecting something to somehow happen instead.

I'm sharing this anecdote of my sister partly because she also has a Pisces Moon like you, Lance. ;) :D (Not trying to suggest anything of Pisces Moons [nor anything of you yourself] here...)

P.S. Speaking of taking initiative and doing something, IIRC J.K. Rowling had Uranus opposite her Sun when she released her first Harry Potter novel. And of course it soon became a worldwide sensation and success, and now "Harry Potter" is a whole franchise of its own... ;) :D

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Arena » Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:50 pm

The tension and frustration will keep building up as Uranus keeps acting on your Sun and your angles until it leaves. Before it does that you will have found in your heart what you need to do to change, Uranus will demand changes in your life.
I've just recently gone through heavy Uranus and heavy Pluto symbolism and the pressure in my psyche was to change my life a lot, so I quit my job and moved to a new country.

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Lance » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:47 am

Saturn opposite natal Saturn for Hurricane Harvey in Groves, TX. Haven't had time to look much deeper. You're welcome to post insights.

Almost a foot of water in the house. Many people are so much worse off. Starting to tear out the bottom two feet of sheetrock. We are dry at a relative's, with food, water, and power. Parents are in similar shape, but kind of stranded on an island of dry land. Highways are all blocked.
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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:04 am

That has to be tough - and I'm glad you're safe and well. Interesting that Saturn-Saturn (if that's all that's going on) is something of a shared event.

That's right, you're from Beaumont originally.

You missed the big "storm, water, and disorientation" one, though (or whatever similar words apply): Transiting Uranus is opposite your Sun within a degree, and there is a Uranus-Neptune semisquare in space... so that means you also have transiting Neptune sesquisquare your Sun (exact to the minute today).
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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:53 am

I didn't realize you were right there at Port Arthur. Glad you're safe! (With that Neptune influence, get a tetanus shot.)

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Lance » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:30 am

Man, this sucks. I feel like I'm about to lose my damned mind.

The father-in-law is staying with me in our gutted house. The girls are all in a camper in the driveway.

It's the horrible combination of needing his expertise (he was a construction contractor for years) but not being able to stand the constant need for everything to be decided and done right now, now, now. I need time to rest and think and...

Anyway... This combination of planets is no fun.

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:43 am

Sympathy :(
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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Lance » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:01 am

Thanks. I'll try to give a more detailed description of the feel of all of it a little later. I just... it's for real. You know?

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Lance » Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:43 pm

Okay, so...

Uranus opposite (0°0') natal Sun
Saturn opposite (0°34') natal Saturn

It comes in waves, like being on the verge of an anxiety attack. I say on the verge because I know people who have real panic attacks, and it's not that extreme. But... tight shoulders, tight upper spine and chest. Sometimes, occasionally, it moves down into my stomach instead, but mostly it's in the upper torso.

I notice it come sort of out of the blue around this part of the day when Uranus is on the IC. The rest of the time, there are other things happening that I could blame it on, but the mid-afternoon wave just seems to be purely astrological to me.

I already take a mild sedative. I've doubled up on it these days to help deal with the stress of the hurricane destruction and the constant presence of extended family. I think it would be way worse without the medication, or I would have to go on some now if I wasn't already on some.

"Crawling out of my skin.." "climbing the walls..." Those expression keep coming to mind.

Regarding external events, I can't escape the Martian energy. As a Libra, I mean... I recognize the value, the necessity of them in my life right now. We are getting things DONE. But at the same time, I feel smothered by it, forced into decisions too quickly by it, forced to be firm with it when I want to say "no!" There's a sort of twisted Saturnian lesson here about really needing something I can barely stand.

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:13 pm

My sympathies too for your current crisis. 😔

Perhaps this Saturn half-return is trying to teach you to handle crises/turning points better (as is theoretically associated with planetary half-returns in general). The ability to make the best decisions decisions in the shortest amount of time during times of disaster and emergency is crucial, especially to authorities like the government, police, the army and of course, and even to paramedics and first-aiders. Sometimes delaying actions does worse things than the unfavourable event itself.

But I do understand that have you been overwhelmed by the hurricane, the damage done to your house and how it affected you, and that some rest and time to let things sink in would definitely help you a lot. It's not like I'm a very good and quick decision maker myself. I hope everything ends well and life goes on normally to you soon.

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Lance » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:45 pm

Yeah. All that.

Need it. Need even the uncomfortable bits.

Also need to set appropriate boundaries.

Tricky. Stressful.

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:22 pm

Sorry :(

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Lance » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:55 am

Good news though.

We finally heard back from the concrete guy. He can't come for a little over a week. That finally sets a schedule for us, taking off some pressure. Father-in-law went home for a week. Tension is lightening.

Whew...

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Lance » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:13 am

First, an update: We've remodeled the house. We moved fully back in about a month ago. It looks awesome - feels like a new house. The kitchen wall is gone; it's all open now with a counter where the wall used to be. Also, we now have a dish-washing machine! It was an older house. Also, we discovered that the walls had no insulation, and we corrected that as well. It's so much warmer on a cold night - you just don't notice that cold, and that's a huge difference. True renovation. Truly pleased. We've still got a lot of little stuff to do, but we're settled in again.

Astrologically: Today, transiting Saturn goes precise in a square to my natal Moon. I'm still a little nervous about it, but I feel like I've identified the occasional mood associated with it. It's an irritability and impatience. It feels kind of electric, high intensity or high frequency. It's kind of like buzzing with impatience. It's not constant. I just occasionally notice it. There have also been moments of being hit with a bunch of depressing thoughts at once. Having a label and a time frame for it makes it easier to be mindful and ride it out.

I'm hoping there's no external event coming, and I'm wondering if the effect has been lessened by other transits. Specifically, I also have transiting Jupiter sequisquare my natal Moon.

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:21 am

I suspect the Jupiter and Saturn tug will be a back and forth, some of the tension you mention, some uncertainty. Based on what you've said, I'm sure you'll be fine.

Congrats on the "new" house!
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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Lance » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:43 am

Current Transits, all within a degree:

t. Uranus opposite n. Ascendant
t. Neptune sesquisquare n. Sun
t. Pluto square n. Uranus
t. Pluto semisquare n. Neptune
t. Saturn square n. Pluto
t. Saturn conjunct n. Jupiter

And it's just too much for me to parse all together. I can tell you that I feel very frustrated with whether or not I'm living true to myself - expressing my true self. I feel like... I know that in the past, I've been over the top in self-expression, with my own point of view on blast. It didn't get me what I want, and I've made some definite changes which have calmed and silenced me. But I think I've maybe gone too far in the other direction. At least, that's what I'm feeling right now.

It has me looking at my 5th Harmonic chart (below), and I'm sitting here wondering... Am I only going to be happy as some kind of obnoxious dreamer rebel? I feel two impulses. The first is the dreamer rebel, but... I feel like life has chastised me again and again to the point where I'm more of a "Just let them be. It is what it is. You can't change it. It's not your business. It's not your life. It's not your path. Let them all be what they are. Let it all be what it is. Just be silent and do your own thing."

But I'm worried I've lost my own thing, or shut it up.

Anyway. Any interpretive insights to help with my thoughts under these transits would be welcome. Am I reading it wrong? Is another form of expression possible? Or do I just need to say f-it, and be the crazy guy?

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:16 am

Lance wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:43 am
t. Uranus opposite n. Ascendant
t. Neptune sesquisquare n. Sun
t. Pluto square n. Uranus
t. Pluto semisquare n. Neptune
t. Saturn square n. Pluto
t. Saturn conjunct n. Jupiter
It's little wonder you're feeling fragmented, because this is a very fragmented picture. Half of these transits openly show (to put it simply) that things are changing in a big way - the pieces are rearranging, or the whole matrix holding the pieces needs to shift (actual transformation). At least the Saturn transits aren't so much the "hold on tight to what you've got" sort that make dramatic shifts even harder - though Saturn to Jupiter does usually give enough a sense of pending loss that it kicks in the "hold on" and "keep my security" circuits a bit. (But Saturn to Pluto is a bit more like "shove it!")

I would worry about you if you felt things were under control and going along acceptably right now. Get this: It is healthy and real to have no confidence in how things will turn out when, in fact, you currently have no idea how things will turn out. Whatever comes next is... not just something different, but something that doesn't fit into you currently composed universe.

And at the heart of it is Neptune's transit to your Sun. This probably explains and centers things better than any other aspect in the set. It's worth taking time to understand how this aspect works and that, what seems like a malefic effect that may be grossly uncomfortable to you, is in fact the one real blessing of the aspect.

Neptune dissolves. Sun represents our sense of identity and direction or purpose. Sun is ego. Neptune is egoless.

The developmental purpose of Neptune's transit to your Sun is to dissolve your current sense of who you are and what your life is about. (That's happening, right?) But it doesn't, by itself, bring anything new. It just dissolves the old sense. It leaves you having little real sense of who you are as a distinct, specific human being. It leaves you having no sense of what you're supposed to be doing.

Consider this a banishing before a new consecration. It makes the way for something new to grow, something that couldn't come from "rearranging the pieces," but only from letting the "old something" wither and die on the vine so that something new arises thereafter - something more innate to your own nature.

Neptune first entered partile orb of your Sun in May 2016. It will leave in December 2018. That's the 31 months of your disintegration. (And seriously, this is a good thing - especially for the goals you have declared for yourself.)
...I'm sitting here wondering... Am I only going to be happy as some kind of obnoxious dreamer rebel?
I don't know that that's the case, but... if so, what would be wrong with that? (I don't ask that naively. I ask it to stir your own reflection of trade-offs, a costs and benefits analysis, so to speak.) FWIW, every time I open your chart I'm surprised you're not an Aquarius - I keep forgetting that you aren't. That could just be me, of course, but I thought I'd mention it.
I feel two impulses. The first is the dreamer rebel, but... I feel like life has chastised me again and again to the point where I'm more of a "Just let them be. It is what it is. You can't change it. It's not your business. It's not your life. It's not your path. Let them all be what they are. Let it all be what it is. Just be silent and do your own thing."
You will certainly approach your own center differently after the current transits than you did before the current transits.

Though I don't know that this is your path, I suppose I should remind you that there is no being a messiah without people denying you, people betraying you, and a crucifixion. The crucifixion is part of the service. The key is that one has to not be into the drama of it per se. It's just the final scene and the curtain call.
But I'm worried I've lost my own thing, or shut it up.
Then blessed is the Neptune transit to Sun that uncovers it, and the Uranus and Pluto transits that blow out the old pipes.

As you already know, it's your life... so take this all as an outsider's observations.
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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:39 am

BTW, your question above was posed January 19, 2019, 9:43 AM, Groves, TX. Not only had Neptune risen over the last half hour (when you surely were thinking about the subject and composing the letter) but, at the time of posting, your Saturn was almost exactly on IC, square your Venus near Descendant, and your Moon not terribly far from rising. It seems, from the chart, a bleak and heart-felt moment. Here are the angularities:

t Neptune 1°55' past Asc
r Saturn 0°51' past IC
r Venus 1°47' before Dsc
r Moon 3°49'' before Asc

This means that, in addition to the above, you "momentarily" (while composing and posting your letter) had a mundane transit of Neptune to natal Saturn nearly partile (1°04'). I suspect all of this describes the emotions rather accurately.

I started to write this up as a horary analysis, and stopped - it just kept looping repetitively in circles on the same themes already discussed above, and concentrated in the idea that the question came from Neptune rising in Aquarius, etc. For example, there are almost no applying aspects, the main one being Mercury-Neptune. So I don't think a hororary breakdow would serve you.

But I did appreciate seeing the transiting and natal planets at the time of the question, and their relationship when you clicked the Submit button.
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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by SteveS » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:12 am

Jim wrote:
And at the heart of it is Neptune's transit to your Sun.
Lance, in my work, I do pay attention to partile trine aspects in return charts, only when one of the planets is tight cnj an angle. In the first link below, note, your SSR Moon (very important) is within 2 degrees of the West Point, partile trine SSR Neptune, which says the main ‘theme’ for your 2017 solar year is Moon-Neptune.
In the second link is your Primary Progressed Natal. Note: Your secondary progressed Moon at 06,33 Scorpio. Our secondary progressed Moons progress app 1.1 degree per month, meaning in the next 4 months your (all important) secondary progressed Natal Moon will exact cnj your Primary progressed Asc, Natal Neptune, & Progressed Neptune. So, its OK to feel like you may be dissolving away, but understand its only a part time cycle that is doing this to your mind/soul. Maybe try to escape (Neptune) to things of interest. If you like good movies/Netflix TV series, I can recommend some good ones. Try to get around large bodies of water if possible and reflect on your astrology, may help.

1: https://imgur.com/a/9b53k

2: https://imgur.com/a/zqu7j

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Lance » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:50 am

Thank you both sincerely.

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by SteveS » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:54 am

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Lance » Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:48 am

These transits haven't been super-fun. About a week ago, I had to up my medication because I was starting to get stuck in angry mode.

Nagging thoughts, nagging religious/spiritual questions, the desire to make a decision and be done with it all for good. But it just won't go away. Insomnia with nagging thoughts. Missed work. Libra isn't happy with forced choice. Must get above the question. Must find my own answer/reject all outside objections.

Recently, there has been some resolution, but I keep having to retrace my mental steps to get there again - an ingrained way of thinking that I keep having consciously to alter.

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by SteveS » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:05 pm

Hi Lance, this probably will not help much, but the only transits I see that is probably manifesting your psychological feelings is t. Uranus partile cnj your Dsc. Ebertin says:
Unrest, the tendency to scatter ones energies, nervous haste, upsetting experiences.
And then t. Pluto partile 90 your Natal Uranus:
Impatience, the enforcement of decisions.
I may be wrong but I think these major outer planet transits are pounding on you to make some kind of major changes, but sometimes we simple can't make major changes with our life. Are you having to make decisions you do not want to make? Are important decisions being forced on you by others? Maybe try to travel somewhere you have never been, taking in new (Uranus) sights/things, anything which is a new healthful change to get out/away from regular routines. Is there something important in your immediate environment which you know needs to changed under your control-- but you have been avoiding? Ask yourself what can I do to make a major change positive for myself, but practical. Maybe try some type of new focused exercise discipline which could not hurt you getting better sleep. These are long (weeks) transits but know things will start getting better when they start separating from partile 1 degree orb or less.

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Lance » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:48 am

Nothing in my transits.

In my SLR there are foreground Neptune MC and Mars Descendant.

But man... Is there some reason that it would pick up over the last week? Injuries, home repairs, worries... wtf?

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Re: Lance: Chart Discussion

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:54 am

Lance wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:48 am
But man... Is there some reason that it would pick up over the last week? Injuries, home repairs, worries... wtf?
Perhaps an SLR with foreground Neptune MC and Mars Descendant?
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