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Re: Natal Chart - Scarlet Depths

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 30, 2018 7:37 pm

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My mom said something important to me today. I'm here to listen and learn more about my natal chart now because of it. I can't say I'll agree, I can say I won't argue.
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Post by ScarletDepths » Wed May 30, 2018 7:41 pm

May I ask about any other interpretations for my luminary signs? I've reread them, also i have read them to my family. It is the traits that I can't get in to, my family finds them laughable and if I really act according to those traits I think I'll just cry and hope someone gives me a swift death.

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Re: Natal Chart - Scarlet Depths

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 30, 2018 7:51 pm

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May I ask about any other interpretations for my luminary signs?
Do you mean do we have any other interpretations here that you haven't seen? I don't know what you've seen. This thread where people discussed the nature of a Sagittarius Sun has people's individual observations, but plus a collection of links at the top of pointing to the main information pools on the site. But maybe you've seen all of these.

https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=1821
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Re: Natal Chart - Scarlet Depths

Post by ScarletDepths » Wed May 30, 2018 7:58 pm

Something that us spiritual, emotional and sensitive. Not full and kingly? I would honestly rather be a peasant than a king, in fact if I am I king like I said elsewhere, let my head roll. I would rather be kind and killed.

The foundation of my chart is a royal archetype, this is one of the only ones I will avoid with my life essence. It is this one lane cattle shoot underlying stereotype that I see in my Sun and Moon and it scares me.

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Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 30, 2018 8:15 pm

Why can't you be both a king and kind? Most kings are kind.

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Re: Natal Chart - Scarlet Depths

Post by ScarletDepths » Wed May 30, 2018 8:35 pm

I don't like the king or leader thing. Why do I have to be a king?

That's what I dont get with my chart. There us this underlying lack of choice and I hate it. I grew up hating kings and leaders and my chart according to Saggitarius and Leo points there and only there. It is rather flat and unfulfilling.

What happens when I don't want this connotation, I stop using sidereal astrology indefinitely and go back to Capricorn and Virgo business stereotype?

My chart doesn't feel like mine. If i see Jupiter in Pisces constellation it makes it a little clearer, but Jim has told me many times that according to this system there is no way.

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Post by ScarletDepths » Wed May 30, 2018 8:59 pm

I must admit sidereal astrology interpretations of my Sun and Moon are not good for my health. I started with running all the traits of my luminaries trough my head and ended up having an angxiety attack...

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Re: Natal Chart - Scarlet Depths

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 30, 2018 9:45 pm

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I don't like the king or leader thing. Why do I have to be a king?
You don't. Unless, of course, it's true and you also want to be happy. Happiness and fulfillment lie in consciously embracing what is true about yourself and enacting it in the world. Everyone has a singular gift to unfold for the benefit of the whole world. What's yours?
That's what I dont get with my chart. There us this underlying lack of choice and I hate it.
That's not from astrology. Astrology aside, you are what you are and have no choice about that. You can develop some skills and characteristics more than others, but it doesn't alter what you fundamentally are. Whatever that is... I suppose you would call it lack of choice.

You were born with two arms. Even cutting off one or both of them doesn't change that you were born with two. Is that a lack of choice?
What happens when I don't want this connotation, I stop using sidereal astrology indefinitely and go back to Capricorn and Virgo business stereotype?
I'm not going to be bribed to lie to you about yourself based on keeping you in the Sidereal fold. Of course, if you go back to being a Tropical Capricorn, it will be all about ambition, climbing to the top, and rulership, so...?
My chart doesn't feel like mine.
So another choice is to just accept that, and move on in your life, either staying the same or changing into yourself over time.

You want us to tell you that your chart really says that you are the way you feel yourself to be. We're not going to lie, so we won't do that. You get to sort out the rest.
If i see Jupiter in Pisces constellation it makes it a little clearer, but Jim has told me many times that according to this system there is no way.
Your Jupiter is in Aries. That's a certainty.

You are a royalist. You are meant to rise above people and look down on them as an avatar of superiority. You hate that. I get it. It doesn't change that you are meant to be someone who can never consider yourself the equal of the rest of the people around you. You're an elitist, and ungodly alone and isolated because of it.

Or you can assume I'm wrong and just ignore this. Whatever.
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Post by ScarletDepths » Thu May 31, 2018 4:44 am

What do you mean by I'm an elitist? This word has only negative meaning to me. I'm lonely because I'm flakey at times, some days it's bobs day, other days in suzzys day, it can't always be bob or suzzys day.

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Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu May 31, 2018 8:14 am

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What do you mean by I'm an elitist? This word has only negative meaning to me.
It means you believe you can see the right path though anything. You believe you can see further than most, so you should take the lead, whether that's a path through a jungle, or through a financial tangle, or through a moral dilemma.

That word is almost always used in a negative context, as an accusation, especially when talking about politicians. But look instead at the word it comes from - elite. Elite athletes, for instance. An elite advisory board. The description doesn't say "You are an elitist." It says elitism is a characteristic of people with the Sun in Sagittarius. It means you see yourself as "good at" stuff, and able to reach the top echelons. If you want to be a chef, you believe you can be the top chef at a three-star restaurant.

It also means Sagittarians chafe at having to climb the ladder and prove how good they are, and get upset people don't see their talent as more valuable than somebody else's years of experience. But Sagittarians will then strive to show they are the best once they get it that nobody's handing them the top spot and they have to prove they deserve it.
I'm lonely because I'm flakey at times, some days it's bobs day, other days in suzzys day, it can't always be bob or suzzys day.
No idea what you're talking about there.

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Post by ScarletDepths » Thu May 31, 2018 4:43 pm

I have depression wether the following is caused by that depends on who you ask, but I dont see myself as good at anything, in just average, and that's ok. I want to find love and see things, and so what if I do have a talent, so what if they don't beilve in me, as long as I try for myself.

I'm not right all the time, I don't believe I am for even a brief moment.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 31, 2018 10:15 pm

Scarlet, I'm curious about something. Do you have Netflix? David Letterman has a six-episode series called "My Next Guest..." The last episode just came out, and is his interview with Sagittarian (Sagittarius-Aries) Howard Stern.

I'm very curious about your reaction to it. (BTW, the first half is something else - Seinfeld interviewing Letterman - but the second half of episode six is Stern.)
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Post by ScarletDepths » Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:48 am

I do have Netflix. I prefer not to watch tv, when I do it is normally violent or romantic, I probably wouldn't be in to the show (I don't like any talk shows lol I can talk well enough on my own). Is it a talk show? Again I'm just guessing cause I dont watch much tv. I have seen howard stern before on a got talent show or something. I get chill vibes from him (I vibe everything out, I'm not one for making snap judgements very well, so I rely on my intuition). I can say reflecting on the traits you use to describe sag, I would not use them to first describe him.

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Post by ScarletDepths » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:16 am

I stand corrected. I don't like Howard sterns stage presence, he comes across as better than everyone. I don't like how he insulted the guys beard when it was his show. Reflecting in his childhood I can say I was the opposite of the 10th degree narcissist, I would get in trouble for worrying to much. My family life was rough so I didn't always like going home right away (to cook, clean, take care of the kids etc.) So i wouldn't do homework, so I got detention (espically in 6th grade) and I could avoid people. It was hard for me to say no to people who needed my help so I just removed it from ever occurring at times. I think it's humbling that he admits his faults in the show. I wouldn't call my mom out on public radio, eventhough she was a drug addict and brought much pain in our lives, I have forgiven her. I understand his rage about the race issues in his early life.

Is it all an act...

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Re: Natal Chart - Scarlet Depths

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:50 am

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I probably wouldn't be in to the show (I don't like any talk shows lol I can talk well enough on my own). Is it a talk show?
Of sorts - not in the usual format. Letterman, for these six shows, has picked one extraordinary guest and has an hour conversation with them. (That is, they usually film much more than an hour, edit the show to fit, and intersperse it with related, secondary footage. For example, when Obama was on, they interspersed it with footage of Letterman travelling to Montgomery to walk and talk to a historic civil rights leader. Each show but the last one had that.)

It's an intimate format - rather amazing, actually. There is a large audience, but two people (Letterman and a guest) sit on chairs and have a conversation. The intimacy in the context of the audience is quite effective IMHO.

I just thought you'd find something of interest and worth your consideration in seeing another atypical Sagittarius who, yet, is ultimately a very typical Sagittarius - just not in ways one first thinks of.
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Re: Natal Chart - Scarlet Depths

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:56 am

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I stand corrected. I don't like Howard sterns stage presence, he comes across as better than everyone.
Exactly! (Often, you do, too, btw.)

So, I'm unclear: This sounds (at the end of your post) like you watched it, yes? Yet, the first part of your post sounds like you didn't. Generally, people haven't see seen Stern quite like this before (backed out of his own act: not entertaining or selling, but having a conversation with a friend).

In any case, I wasn't concerned about you liking the show or liking Stern, but in offering a chance for you to see that side of a fellow Sag whose public act is, on the one hand, quite different from yours and, on another hand, eerily similar.
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Post by ScarletDepths » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:08 pm

How we come across online is not the same as real life, is it safe to say this? I'm not better than anyone Jim, I could understand how you see this, except I believe you are too smart to figure that I actually think I'm above people based off of things I say online. In what little experience I have, i have seen that it is emotions and body langue that help determine how we interpret things, at least they help me. Online we lack most of our human qualities. Not to mention that I have been put in the sign of Saggitarius, so we filter out and see things with a predisposition, I too am guilty of this. I believe there would be much more validity in assessing someone before looking at their chart.

In all of this I do take note some of the traits from Saggitarius and Leo may very well define me, however i think it's the core of them that I don't carry with me. I don't care for everything I've heard about the core of both of these signs. I don't think this much matters because I determine how I live and oh well if it doesn't match me.

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Post by ScarletDepths » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:12 pm

Please note how I asked if it was all am act, Jim. The coincidence that may make me seem better than another is an act. I'm quite hazy and foggy as a person and my "confidence" that other people see in me, is just me remembering that everything has a purpose and to just flow with it.

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Post by ScarletDepths » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:21 pm

Reflecting on traits of Sun and Moon. Some of which are befiting, love to travel, aim to higher places [ambition], sttuborn, slightly dramatic, philosophical, somewhat dommeniering all fit.

Aristocratic, diplomatic, royal/of king authors court, persetves status quo, and judges others ate traits that I can't say I display. This could be on account of Pluto Moon.

In addition Sun and Moon Saturn could knock down the kinglyness perhaps?

Mars accounts for any deceit, snake like, dark enigmatic and most mysterious energy.

Mercury being angular in addtion to its connection with Mars/Scorpio accounts for unorthodox thinking and argument in me. .

What's missing is a connection to water, empathic tendices, deep spirituality and reflection, some mystery, and general foggy nature [also Idk if my moods are covered by Saturn and Pluto alone].

Where could the missing link be? Or are these things outside if the chart?

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Re: Natal Chart - Scarlet Depths

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:49 pm

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Mars accounts for any deceit, snake like, dark enigmatic and most mysterious energy.
Mars is none of these things. For example, it strikes directly and decisively. Other factors may make a martian deceitful, but Mars itself is not. Nor is it the least enigmatic or mysterious.
Mercury being angular in addtion to its connection with Mars/Scorpio accounts for unorthodox thinking and argument in me.
Mercury accounts for thinking, but what makes it unorthodox? Mercury itself is neither orthodox nor unorthodox (except in the sense that facts themselves are inherently "a right or true opinion," and Mercury, at root, is about the facts). Your primary Mercury aspects are to Mars and Jupiter, one of which is direct and the other inherently orthodox.

However, yes, Mercury in Scorpio exactly aspecting Mars is argumentative.
What's missing is a connection to water, empathic tendices, deep spirituality and reflection, some mystery, and general foggy nature [also Idk if my moods are covered by Saturn and Pluto alone].
Depending on what "spirituality" is to you, its probably some mixture of your Moon-Pluto need to penetrate depths and your powerful Jupiter religious urge. Mostly, though, as I've mentioned before, I think some of these things are residuals from Neptune's opposition to your Moon a couple of years ago. In terms of your natal chart alone, I see compassion but not empathy; no mystery at all (in any sense that I understand the word); and no particular fogginess (much more sharpness and acuity).

Well, actually, I suppose you might mean by "mystery" the sometimes dark and self-disclosing character of Mars in Capricorn.

If we give any credit to fixed stars (which I'd really like to think are important, but haven't yet been able to firmly confirm), then you, like me, have Venus exactly opposite Algol, the severed head of Medusa in Perseus' hand - that myth may be meaningful to you.
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Post by ScarletDepths » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:04 pm

Yes I meant Mars in Capricorn sorry for not clarifying. Yes Jim as my mom says it I am a sponge, i actualy wear tigers eye because everything is cloudy for me. If i were as acute as you would say I don't think I would be here to be honest. I want to believe in your system but I can't prove it's certainty in even myself let alone in others. I can say I am a hopeless romantic and I am here to live with all of my soul. Screw self improvement, as long as I'm able to function enough to love then for me that is living.

Wether it's in my chart is not, I don't cry at funerals for the dead, I hold it together for the living. Seeing people sob makes me a mess, feeling peoples bad feeling makes me want to sob. I'm average on the emotion quotient scale, accept in empathy, which is extremely high.

People describe as mysterious for my appearance and my aloof energy, but also because of how i don't express my feelings and they learn that I have and feel deeper than they do. That isn't smack either, I have to make a constant effort to not be consumed by a endless storm of self perpetuated anxiety when I squash a bug.

I want to look into the stars at the end of Pisces because my Jupiter is connected ro them, and my intuition says a Piscean Jupiter [not in Pisces sign, but for lack of a better word] could point to empathy.

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Post by ScarletDepths » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:08 pm

What do you mean by religious Jim? They only idea I believe in religiously I can say for sure is love.

My spirituality is an all encompassing faith that connects us all. All religions are as equal as existence as the next, therefore they all exist. We ourselves are just temporary focal points of the universe in this moment of time, at least that's what I believe.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:08 pm

That's Moon-Pluto's view, yes.

By "religious" I meant something you disavow. (There's no judgement in that, I'm just exchanging facts and definitions.) I mean the deep need in the human soul to directly connect with something infinitely greater than and over-awning itself. The term "religious urge" or "religious thinking" is also specifically applied psychologically to the Jupiterian idea (which works the same way in the mundane world as in the spiritual) of petitioning higher power the same function whether it is prayer, hitting the boss up for a raise, or begging the dice to fall right.
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Post by ScarletDepths » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:23 pm

Oh hmmm. I cant say i actively pray, I think it's kind of dumb to ask something so big to worry about you in addition to every thing else its worried about. Never really believed in prayer ever now that I think about it. Jim it seems everything is going back to Pluto [Moon] it's kind of weird and becoming redundant don't you think? It's like basicly I only have my transits Pluto and Jupiter [in action to the luminaries] and nothing else seems to come up.

So the emotional connection to life around me isn't in my chart..

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Re: Natal Chart - Scarlet Depths

Post by ScarletDepths » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:27 pm

Could you help describe some Pluto things for me to grasp on more what your views on the planet are. As simpile gasoline can or tombstone [not saying those things are Plutonian but they came to mind first].

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