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Re: Veronica

Post by Veronica » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:13 pm

Thanks!
Ha!
Turning lead into gold.....
Thats what alchemy is all about.
There is lead in batteries.

But I see now what the distinction between foreground and background events can mean, and that was my point in sharing because I have trouble with those finer points.

Im still feeling this partile....

I had to pick up my son who was away this week, consoling his friend whoes father had a cocaine and alchol induced heartattack and died...very sad event.
I had a few hours this morning before then so I went to my dads nd had planned on cleaning for him as a thank you for letting me use his car. I had cleaned for about an hour when I heard him calling to me.
Well...he was bad off. His visiting nurse apoarently had been there in days and his foot was compketely necroptic and septic and the imfection was up to his thigh....and OMG he smelled horrid.
It was horrible. The strongest man I know reduced to a frail ghost on deaths door....
I bathed him and wrapped up his feet in fresh bandages and called my sister to take him to the hospital bc I had to go pick up my daughter from work.
I didnt cry. I didnt lie to him when asked how it was. I didnt get angry at my sister and niece for lying to me that they had changed his bandages....I just loving washed him up and dressed him and made him some food and packed his bags and gave him a kiss and told him he was going back to the hospital and they will do what needs to be done and he isnt going to die in the hospital that I will make sure he comes home and can die when he is ready...in him n moms bed like he wants.
He was happy and didnt fight like he is want to do with me.

So thats partile background. And attitude awaremess and being present in the moment make a big difference

If it was forground It would be something directly happening to me, like getting punched in the head by a crazy lady or getting angry and breaking a window.

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Re: Veronica

Post by Veronica » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:10 am

Veronica wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:38 pm
On June 13 I received some threatening texts from my ex husband. *8:30 pm and 8:35 NY*
in clear violation on the order of protection.


In these texts it appears as if he has continued to cyber stalk me, and has been reading this forum gathering who knows what kind of info to use against me. the things he said in the text he would have no way of knowing with out reading my posts here as far as I can tell.

When I took him to court on the 7th of June for an increase in child support he asked to have it postpone so he could hire a lawyer. which I know he will not do and is playing with the courts like always.

on June 14 after thinking it overnite, I called the police, and they arrested him.

Tonite at 7pm he is in court and the DA says he is going to ask for the max.


I had a gut feeling that he was reading my posts here and at another site I like, it has made me scared to open up here even though I have had several big things going on.


I feel horrible about him peeping and all and I am very sorry Mr Eshelman and to you all.
Just wanted to give an update on this:
Friday I recieved a letter from the courts about this violation. He was charged with comtempt of court and disorderly conduct, and my order of protection (which was to expire in Jan.) Was extended two years, with no contact at all.
My kids were very relieved.

I also go to court this morning for my final (hopefully) time regarding the childrens child support. He had it bumped up to family court on the defense he shouldnt pay anything since he isnt seeing the kids.....(mind you he was court ordered to go to rehab and anger mangement which he never did, and to fullfill the grounds of my order of protection-which he didnt. And to not have contact with police, which getting arrested for beating up his gf.....so yea)

Well he never showed up and that was his shot to have his dide heard.

So yea....more background sun mars neptune toxic stuff, but hopeful this Jupiter return will see an increase for my babes, maybe some of the 5k arrears he owes and who knows....

Also on a happy note that did make me cry...
The lions club gave me over $100 worth of food on saturday. My old cubscout friend runs it and thought me n the kids would like some nice food for the holidays.

Yea!! I love good food.

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Re: Veronica

Post by FlorencedeZ. » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:52 am

That is so nice to read Veronica that your old friend from the lions club gave you and the kids over $100 worth of food on saturday.
And what a relief for you all that your order of protection was extended for two more years with no contact.
Really great for you, happy december 🎄 ✨🎅🏻

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Re: Veronica

Post by Veronica » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:32 am

It was great, thanks for the encouraging words!
I put up my holiday lights too so yes it is a happy December. I hope yours is happy too!

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Re: Veronica

Post by Veronica » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:42 pm

Well I have been up since 1 am thinking all sort of crazy things, my head is in a real fog, and court and owrk are like a blurr. Its almost like I am coming down with a head cole.

So He never showed up for court, so I guess th ekids won. The referee said she will mail her decision in 4 weeks, but for sure I am getting at least $180, plus arrears. so its $60 more and that is helpful.

looked at my chart.
Transiting Mercury is conjunct my Natal neptune
explains the head fog and the wierd supernatural thoughts I woke up with.

going home and going to bed to make suer its not a head cold. I have to see my dad and I cant risk giving him germs! He will be in the hospital for christmas, so, so will I. much rather go about the hospital singng songs to sick people then hanging out with my siblings.

so yea court is over, so happy about that. I hate going there. cost me almost ten bucks to park!

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Post by Veronica » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:49 am

I believe it is my Jovial Jupiter hugging my moon and Neptune that blesses me so deeply at this, the darkest time of the year.

The winter solstice is my favorite Holiday for in my world it is the Holiest of Holy.

It is this time when instead of looking around my chart to see what the planets and luminaries are doing, I focus on the angles. I focus on the center and the Cross that is there in each and every chart of each and everyone of us.

I saw meteors these past three days and one so bright tonight it lit up the whole sky.

I know why Jim said Aquarian moons are the best now.
We will have a full moon on Saturday and lots more shooting stars. Im not a very good astrologer because Im too sensetive and reactive but I know how to overcome that. I ask myself...WWJD.

What would Jim have said if it was Craig who sent a request to the list for help understand himself and his relationships? Would have said discouraging things or used words to confuse or mislead or give false hope? Not at all. Jim is a man who has spent his life helping men overcome themselves and push and challenge themselves and to be exactly what they are.

Thats an Aquarian moon. He takes the miraculous light from the Son and shines it out in Brotherhood. He uses the teachings and mysteries of the Holy Cross itself to encourage and lift up mankind.

I hope you all have a Blessed Solstice a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year each and everyday because everyday is a blessing and a gift no matter what is going on around your chart. Its the immaculate heart in the center of the cross that is the most important.

Where there is love there is life.

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https://youtu.be/_sEP5_7DMu0

This is my favorite holiday song and it does bring me to my knees and make me cry. And thats a good thing in my world.

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Re: Veronica

Post by SteveS » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:59 am

Happy Holidays to you Veronica and your family. Springville is supposed to have a crystal clear night on the Winter Solstice. I will be sure to go to my favorite viewing area of the night skies to see this rising Full Moon. Thanks for the links.

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Re: Veronica

Post by Veronica » Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:28 pm

I have been reading and thinking of the Saggitarius traits for this months moon discussion.
I resonate deeply with this sign on a deeper level.
At first I thought it was because for years I used tropical astrology which placed my moon neptune jupiter and mars in that sign.
Yet as we know, thats not true and does not mirror my true nature at all.
I have my Venus in Sag. Though at 20 degrees.
I was struck by something Steve said to me in kindness when I was being moody and grumpy about my break up with Craig.
He talked about my midpoints. Some thing I had no knowledge or real understanding of. Outer understanding anyways. Obviously we all have an innate understanding of ourselves....but put on. Airs and masks and consume things( drugs alcohol sugar flour tv media popular culture gossip on other peoples beluefs ect) so we can fit in to society and survive.
I think the reason that I resonate so deeply with the Saggitarius traits and Jupiter themes is because of my midpoints. I almost think at times those midpoints are a stronger indicator of my true self then my sun and moon signs and my angluar pluto. In fact it seems to me that those aspects are more of a by product of my midpoints...like a reversal.
My midpoints were listed here in this thread previously so I wont bang them all out again but I am, as my nature says, looking into that mirror and trying to see just what I am. It seems very rare that I have a huge collection of midpoints dancing around my Venus in Saggitarius.
I cant seem to find anything on line or in that midpoint book about just whats thats all about.
I guess maybe that means Im the one who would know just what having so many midpoints all conjuct Venus is about.
I did look into my solar return charts for when my venus aspect was forming in my ego and i saw at 4 years old my solar return had venus conjuct jupiter. Its wierd and fascinating in a way.
It really opened my eyes to how much I need harmony and beauty and friends and a loving romance and the deep deep need to have another to be in love with.
Thats where the pain in my gut comes from when I dont feel like Craig cares and never getting to love him again comes from. I need a puppy.
I literally feel in love with a puppy the other day at the store. I wanted it so bad. It made me cry. I dont really want a puppy or a baby or flowers those are symbols.

So if anyone has any feed back on my huge collection of midpoints around my sag. Venus and just what that is about Id like some feedback.

Is it stronger then my luminaries and angles?
Is it more senseitive to transits and returns
Is it the source of my soul

It feels like it is
But maybe thats the chocolate talking

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Re: Veronica

Post by Veronica » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:34 pm

Hmmm.....
My 16yr daughter who is a libra and her venus is in libra
Just said to me
" you have to lower your expectations of people. You see people through your heart as the best they can be, but there only people, with pain and troubles that keep them down and they dont see themselves the way you do. You keep getting your feelings hurt because they dont live up to your hope for them, you gotta let them hope for themselves, and lower your expectations."

Pretty accurate summation, I was moved by her depth of understanding and her ability to say all that with love.

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Re: Veronica

Post by SteveS » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:49 pm

Veronica asked:
So if anyone has any feed back on my huge collection of midpoints around my sag. Venus and just what that is about Id like some feedback.
Veronica, I have some feedback pertaining to your Natal Venus and how it is wired with midpoint structures into your Natal Soul. Understand, I learned most of what I know about Midpoints from Robert Hand’s extensive research and knowledge about Midpoints. I am certainly no expert on Midpoints, but I consider Robert Hand to be an expert on Midpoints.

Without a doubt, Robert Hand would consider by his teachings the most important midpoint for your entire Natal Chart is a direct midpoint of Venus/Mars=Asc (0,59 orb/partile). Robert Hand would consider this midpoint the most dominating soul influence in your entire Natal Chart. Pluto is directly involved in this midpoint simply because Pluto partile squares your Natal Asc partile 90 your Venus/Mars midpoint. So, what we have here is a very strong Venus/Mars/Pluto influence in your Natal Soul. I can only go by your posts, but I think this means your soul strongly feels this Mars/Pluto influence but there is a strong Venus love influence associated with this principle of Mars-Pluto. I think your feelings are strongly influenced with this midpoint combo with Craig. There are no books which offer a four part principle for Venus/Mars/Pluto/=Asc, but Ebertin’s Midpoint read for Venus/Mars=Asc is:
A lively expression of feelings, an affectionate nature. The revelation of love, a physical union.
But, you see, we have to put Pluto in the mix with Ebertin’s above words with Venus/Mars/=Asc. Its somewhat a very important complex structure for your Natal Soul. IMO, it has to do with your deep love for Craig, yet Craig has treated you in a rough Mars/Pluto manner. Jim could probably understand better than I by combining the correct words for this Venus/Mars/Pluto=Asc in your life, Jim knows you better than I.

I hope I was able to help in some ways for you understanding better why you strongly feel/react to your Natal Soul with this very important midpoint structure of Venus/Mars/Pluto=Asc as a dominating factor in your life.

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Re: Veronica

Post by Danica » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:53 pm

I hypothesize that having Moon conjunct Jupiter gives you a lot of Sag-like vibe (in addition to having Venus there, so it depicts the context of what you're naturally drawn to, what you desire and what you love), i.e. you resonate with this constellation through the Jupiter themes. But that would mean that you also resonate deeply with Pisces, and even stronger so than with Sagittarius, because Moon - Neptune conjunction is 56' orb!
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Re: Veronica

Post by Veronica » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:41 pm

Thanks Steve
You have helped me quite a bit.
Why do you say the midpoint of venus/mars is my asc and not Decendant? The planets are in my 7th and 6th house so wouldnt it be closer to the dec.? Does it not matter because that is the horizon line? So its actually both?
It is happier sounding to say asc. Espically when the master of soul work Pluto is involved.
Thank you for sharing your insight. This midpoint has been a factor/influence my whole life via dreams and urges and feelings that seemingly come out of no where and are overpoweringly strong and have really come to the surafce since my relationship with Craig. I even see in our synastry chart how his placements have impacted on my chart and all its nitty gritty stuff. Funny how the universe brings people together for what ever bigger plan it has. Very fitting.

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Re: Veronica

Post by Veronica » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:48 pm

Danica wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:53 pm
I hypothesize that having Moon conjunct Jupiter gives you a lot of Sag-like vibe (in addition to having Venus there, so it depicts the context of what you're naturally drawn to, what you desire and what you love), i.e. you resonate with this constellation through the Jupiter themes. But that would mean that you also resonate deeply with Pisces, and even stronger so than with Sagittarius, because Moon - Neptune conjunction is 56' orb!
I think your right. And I do resonate deeply with much of Pisces. Under tropixal I was an Aquarian/Pisces cusp and even thought for a few years that I was having a Pisces year. The mysticness and deep watery imagery as well as dreamy and lazy at times I thought were because of that cusp.

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Re: Veronica

Post by SteveS » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:02 am

Veronica wrote and asked:
Why do you say the midpoint of venus/mars is my asc and not Decendant? The planets are in my 7th and 6th house so wouldnt it be closer to the dec.? Does it not matter because that is the horizon line? So its actually both?
An excellent and valid point Veronica. In the Ebertin/German schools of Midpoint Astrology, they did not recognize/delineate the Dsc or IC for symbolic purposes, only using the Asc & MC in their writings, so yes, ‘it’s actually both.’ In your Natal Chart, I think we definitely need to allow more focus on your DSC symbolizing close relationships involving husbands and other(s) close relationships, which makes perfect sense to me with Venus/Mars/Pluto being wrapped into your Dsc as the dominating midpoint structure in your Natal.

Veronica wrote:
Funny how the universe brings people together for what ever bigger plan it has. Very fitting.
Exactly! An excellent point. IMO, the greatest mystery ever involving human 'relationships' on our planet Earth.

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Re: Veronica

Post by Veronica » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:41 am

Steve said
But, you see, we have to put Pluto in the mix with Ebertin’s above words with Venus/Mars/=Asc. Its somewhat a very important complex structure for your Natal Soul. IMO, it has to do with your deep love for Craig, yet Craig has treated you in a rough Mars/Pluto manner. Jim could probably understand better than I by combining the correct words for this Venus/Mars/Pluto=Asc in your life, Jim knows you better than I.
I dont believe Craig has treated me in a rough mars/pluto manner. Im the one with this aspect. If anything Craigs pluto/ venus conjunction aspecting my charts contents would indicate he has been anything but the mean mars/pluto that I have been.

Craig is a beast of a man I will give him that but for the most part he turns that beast on himself. Self sabatoging in a way but concidering his total life expierence and nature and nurtue under his own stars and there movements....he makes the best of what he has and he has made a very successful life for himself against some very big odds.

Eric was mean to me. Eric plotted ways to be mean and cruel and hurt me and others.

Craig, while extremely impressionable from his friends, despies meanniess and cruelty. I can be mean and cruel. Im the one with venus/mars/pluto action. I am lucky though that my venus has a lot of other action coming at her, espicially the Understanding from Saturn and Originality from Uranus so that I can express and give the loving giving harmony instead of a severed head.

Jim would probably tell me that the blending of pluto. And all those other midpoints in that area is a very fascinating point. Of the conception of love energies brought forth in a highly individuaistic way for the benefit of mankind..... Maybe

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Re: Veronica

Post by SteveS » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:31 pm

I think I got Eric & Craig mixed-up, sorry. With Eric being a former husband, probably the main manifestation/symbolism for the Venus/Mars/Pluto=DSC.

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Re: Veronica

Post by Veronica » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:38 pm

Eric has a mars/venus conjunction in taurus on my asc square our conjunct plutos, as well his moon conjunct my mars in scorpio.....so I think that dynamic was overkill for us both. Almost literally.
If he was sober and able to be in conscious control of his conjunction he might develope the positve self esteem and self love that his soul seems to crave. But he dwells on pain and suffering and all the ugly things in the world.
Maybe if he moves somewhere else he could be happier and not fantasize about hurting people and himself. Idk.
I know it was the scarriest time of my life. I still tip toe through my own home out of subconscious fears of waking him, and I cry about all my journals he ruined and things my mom bought me that he would break out of meanness.
But if I look at his charts.. his solar returns through his life, and his mothers and pause, I can let it go and trust again that the universe does know what its doing.

Even though Craig and I arnt together, that was the happiest times Ive ever had with a man, and I wouldnt have those nice memories if I hadnt had that crazy time with Eric. So thats good. Im thankful I lived through it and thankful for good friends like Jim who helped me and cared enough to listen and encourage me to think of someone besides myself (like that venus/mars=dec iswant to do) and focus on taking care of my kids, my true vocation.

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Re: Veronica

Post by SteveS » Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:22 am

Veronica wrote:
Eric has a mars/venus conjunction in taurus on my asc square our conjunct plutos, as well his moon conjunct my mars in scorpio.....so I think that dynamic was overkill for us both.
Indeed Veronica, an 'overkill'. An excellent example of a malefic composite midpoint between two people.

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Im thankful I lived through it and thankful for good friends like Jim who helped me and cared enough to listen and encourage me…
I understand Veronica. There was a time in my life where I was in an excellent position to reached out and help battered women and children (mentally/physically), so I can relate to that type situation. And with Jim’s Aquarius Moon--- no better astrologer to understand the emotional needs for someone like yourself who experienced the harsh relationship you had with Eric. A good astrology 'friend' to have in your life. :)

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Re: Veronica

Post by Veronica » Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:31 pm

SteveS wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:31 pm
. With Eric being a former husband, probably the main manifestation/symbolism for the Venus/Mars/Pluto=DSC.
Eh....
I dont think so.

If I understand the true analysis of this aspect midpoint,
Which I concider the uniting/balancing/yoga of the anima/aminus and bringing into conception a higher form of love.....


Eric wanted to kill me because I had this potential that he did not have the capacity to utilize. He hated me and hates me and all I love to this day.

Love death sex marriage union conception are all finely intertwined. I think the main mainfestation of this aspect is the concept of me personaly united my anima/animus and loving myself as best I xan and bringing for into the world the concept that you shouldnt just go jumping into bed with people. You should understand them as a soul first.

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Re: Veronica

Post by Veronica » Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:41 pm

SteveS wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:22 am
Veronica wrote:
Eric has a mars/venus conjunction in taurus on my asc square our conjunct plutos, as well his moon conjunct my mars in scorpio.....so I think that dynamic was overkill for us both.
Indeed Veronica, an 'overkill'. An excellent example of a malefic composite midpoint between two people.

Veronica wrote:
Im thankful I lived through it and thankful for good friends like Jim who helped me and cared enough to listen and encourage me…
I understand Veronica. There was a time in my life where I was in an excellent position to reached out and help battered women and children (mentally/physically), so I can relate to that type situation. And with Jim’s Aquarius Moon--- no better astrologer to understand the emotional needs for someone like yourself who experienced the harsh relationship you had with Eric. A good astrology 'friend' to have in your life. :)
Ill tell ya what,
Jim taught me to keep looking.

Astrology as demonstrated by Jims methods and practice causes a person to be able to stop in the middle of an event and breathe and know that the event of the momeny is part od a bigger and more complex picture, a pucture layered with other events and circumstances.

Eric has been contacting Sabrina via facebook. She is very upset, and rightfully so because the language he is using is stark and harsh cold and of a very ineundo of threats.

Now in the past my blood would have curled and would be run amuck with fear and anger and confusion and general upset. Today I just told her to block him and ignore him as he was obviously drunk and in a bad emotional state. I pulled up his chart and liw and behold he has transiting uranus opposite his asc and venus/mars which is squared by T mars and a bunch of other things that have got him all up in his feelings. I showed it to her (she is very good with astrology) and she wiped her tears away and said "its still creepy and wrong"

It is, but it will pass. Or he will pass out and tomorrows another day.

The nice thing I have learned about astrology is that if stop and pause and look at the event you can change the outcome by realizing you still have a choice in how you choose to respond to events.

Bullies have a background and a reason they act out. But that doesnt mean we have to tit for tat. Sometimes we can just ignore it an know tgat a new wave of transits is coming along and we shouldnt waste our time engaging in behaviors that do not serve our higher purpose.

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Re: Veronica

Post by Veronica » Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:08 am

I peeked into my next years solar return.

The part I am curious about right now is my. Return Jupiter.
If I am here in Rochester area it is partile conjunct my mars.
That seems nice.
But I was curious if It could be better if I relocated my chart to a place where Jupiter would be on my Descendant? Its fairly close and I was thinking if I took a little trip I could bump it up.
Yet it also seems like I would loose some other nice things...like it aspecting my natal Uranus and Mercury.

I really would love a bit of financial independence and sucess which an angular Jupiter could enhance.

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Re: Veronica

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:39 am

Veronica, are you perhaps looking at the SSR around the outside of your natal chart? I ask because transiting Jupiter in the SSR is near your natal Descendant. In the SSR, it's closer to the IC.

Natal Pluto is rising in the SSR, and transiting Jupiter (on your Mars) is just over 7° east of IC. You could place it exactly on IC if you spent your birthday at a longitude just a tiny bit west of the Indiana-Ohio border. (I give you that location just for reverence - it could be anywhere due north-south on that line). This is also the Georgia-Alabama border for the lower half of Georgia. You can draw this on a map and see various places.

Atlanta isn't far from there, for example. Or Chattanooga.

Or you could have Jupiter square Ascendant a bit west of there. This line cuts just west of Indianapolis and just east of Chicago, on a curve that reaches roughly through Steve's back yard in Alabama down to the Florida panhandle.

Just avoid putting that Venus-Saturn (+Pluto) conjunction (on your Venus) on the angles :( I'd also de-emphasize the Mercury-Neptune conjunction.
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Re: Veronica

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:22 pm

In my experience, Jupiter conj Mars, any combination of transit, progressed or natal, means money comes in and goes right back out, sometimes without stopping to pay down the bills.

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Re: Veronica

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:47 pm

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:22 pm
In my experience, Jupiter conj Mars, any combination of transit, progressed or natal, means money comes in and goes right back out, sometimes without stopping to pay down the bills.
I see that with Mars transiting Jupiter, or with Mars and Jupiter equal (e.g., two natals in aspect or two transits in aspect).

Fir Jupiter transiting Mars, the mean feature is enhancement and strengthening of Mars expression, e.g., athletic or other competitive excellence, business success, sexual or other physical exuberance, etc. As a secondary effect, this level of WINNING confidence can lead to indulgence (hence over-spending), but it's a secondary (and less frequent effect).

In contrast, when a natal Mars-Jupiter is foreground, it means all the above plus extravagance etc. If transiting Mars and Jupiter are in aspect near, say Lunar Return angles then one has the same "money to burn" instinct or the world is burning it for you (expenses etc.). And so on.
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Re: Veronica

Post by Veronica » Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:22 pm

Ya know,

Ive had it up to the top of my head with mercury neptune aspects and was pretty shook when I saw that conjunction. I was like " really? I dont need that one bit"
Then I got a look at venus/saturn pluto and well....that made me forget about the first....

I really need open clear honest real communication. More then any jupiter stuff. Much much more.

You told me once I live on a mercury line. Thats why downtown we have a statue of Hermes crowning our town.

How far and what way would I have to go to break apart that conjunction enough? Ill start walking now if I have to :lol:

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