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Pluto (self)

Post by James Condor » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:34 pm

I though today, could Pluto’s desire to be ones self, authentithic nature, in contrast reveal antisocialness? For example, an individual with Sun-Pluto, Moon-Pluto and sun in Aries and so on. Pluto doesn’t relate well to others because of the self authenticity? And relating means you have to let go of your own ways.or give into others emotions. Or see another view besides their own. They would have to compromise their self and by definition they just won’t.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:52 pm

Agreed.
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Post by James Condor » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:57 pm

Cool

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Post by Soft Alpaca » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:29 am

As a Pluto Moon I say this is 100 percent accurate. Except for me this can be foiled a little bit as I'm sure so can others. My best friend makes me foil for example, I like to joke that I never want to get married and eventhough I love animals I don't have time to give one the care it deserves. However if him and i get married we are having a herd of cats and enough house plants to cover the porch.

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Post by Stef » Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:20 am

I agree with you completely.

My closest aspect is Sun semisquare Pluto 0°01. I also have Moon conjunct Pluto, though much wider at 4°35'. Since discovering this, I've spent a lot of time contemplating what it means. It definitely can manifest in social awkwardness and probably seeming distant to others, which I have been trying to overcome in my social and work life. I don't mean to be distant, in fact I crave social activity and connection, but I find it very hard to connect. Or rather, I only connect to a very select few people who I actually relate to. I can see right through the "herd" mentality and in-authenticity in most people and it turns me off from trying to relate to them.

I think Pluto represents a kind of otherness within a person. It can be refreshing or it can be alien. When I was younger, I think it manifested in suicidal tendencies and risk (i.e wanting to remove myself from the inner situation because of how disassociated I felt). Now that I'm older, I think it manifests more in a sort of inner state of spiritual apocalypse. I am comfortable in a constant state of transformation. This can be too intense for many people (I've often been called "too intense" as a bad thing), who either don't understand or are afraid of it.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:41 am

Stef wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:20 am
I think Pluto represents a kind of otherness within a person.
How do you mean that? Normally I would say that Pluto is the complete antithesis of "othersness," except in a way that they are a background against which the isolated, distinguished self stands.
When I was younger, I think it manifested in suicidal tendencies and risk (i.e wanting to remove myself from the inner situation because of how disassociated I felt).
That "removal" sense ("just leave!") rings true. Sun-Pluto isn't particularly suicidal by itself. (I should clarify that I don't mean "suicidal" in the sense of ruminating about suicides or attempting suicides but, rather, succeeding in suicide which, obviously, you did not. Every astrological study of suicides I know was on successful suicides. It would be quite interesting if someone could gather 100-200 sets of complete birth data for people hospitalized for attempted, failed suicide as a contrast.) Certainly Pluto means a life that is more likely to erupt into various kinds of crisis (one example of which is what you call "spiritual apocalypse").

Your chart isn't particularly suicidal unless some transits, progressions, return charts, etc. brought your natal Saturn-Neptune aspect into play. You don't have the typical luminary signs or natal aspects for suicide, and in fact your close Venus-Mars sextile makes you less likely than most. (Venus-Mars likes "life of the flesh" too much.) But I can see the need for emotional drama and eruptive confrontation and change and, sometimes, your natal Saturn-Neptune will rotate to return chart angles and, sometimes, it will have other things there with it that make life deeply psychologically uncomfortable or unacceptable.
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