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Re: Eris

Post by Veronica » Fri May 07, 2021 11:59 am

James,

Did you know that women talk and use tens of thousands of words a day? Tens of thousands of blah blah blah blah, who knows what exactly but it is almost like endless prattle at times being around women who basically talk nonstop all day. Everyday.

Men, supposedly use about 10,000.
Who knows what is going on inside the Male mind most of the time? It's like pulling teeth sometimes to get a conversation.

I applaud you for putting conscientious action into communicating more. I know it so hard to do, to find words, to relate experiences and intangible things, I try and try and try and fail and fail and fail. But I keep trying.
I hope you do too.

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Venus-Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun May 16, 2021 12:57 pm

Based on the work above, I've settled for now on the following provisional interpretation of natal Venus-Eris aspects:
Sexuality is unusually free from shame. Finds flowering or fertility in chaos. When sexually involved, expresses sexuality with unusual “no holding back” freedom. Indifferent to others’ or society's rules: Faithful to their own moral rules, while entirely free from judging, shaming, or condemning others’ choices (willing to be disruptor). Discloses their inner, intimate self in every act. (Sees a personal connection as one detail in a larger array.)
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Sun-Eris

Post by Veronica » Tue May 25, 2021 10:42 am

A few weeks ago when my sister was at death's door I found myself in a situation in which my sisters daughter was angry at me and my sister.

I realized I had never been more afraid of a confrontation in my life. No one scares me more when upset then my niece and I love her to pieces.

My niece is a nurse. My father calls her nurse Ratchet.
She is the most loving capable encouraging and self assured person I have ever met. She is a lady and will not lower herself under any circumstances. You can either rise to her level or not, she truly does not bother with stupidity or laziness.
She excelled in school and has a brilliant mind capable of deep problem solving and seeing others perspectives.
I am truly blessed to have her in my life and for the love and support she has shown me.

After reading this thread I knew that she must have Eris strong in her chart and knowing how slow Eris is I knew from her birthdate it was probably conjunct her Sun.

The interesting thing is that I never knew what time she was born, and so when I drew up her chart I had to feel her out in a way to try and surmise the time. After some deep feelings and thinking I came up with 9am ish.

My Astrology has gotten better because yesterday when I was going through paperwork my dad had in the barn I found her hospital tag.

I'd like to introduce to you my most beloved LB, and if you have any fears or worries about the future, let me tell you that this little bit of StarShine is busting heads and tearing down ugliness and living and laughing and loving inspite of it all

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Re: Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 25, 2021 10:47 am

Sun 19°45' Pisces
Eris 19°50' Pisces
Moon 21°34' Gemini

Way to go!
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Re: Eris

Post by SteveS » Wed May 26, 2021 12:57 am

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Re: Venus-Eris

Post by Danica » Wed May 26, 2021 9:18 pm

Sexuality is unusually free from shame. Finds flowering or fertility in chaos. When sexually involved, expresses sexuality with unusual “no holding back” freedom. Indifferent to others’ or society's rules: Faithful to their own moral rules, while entirely free from judging, shaming, or condemning others’ choices (willing to be disruptor). Discloses their inner, intimate self in every act. (Sees a personal connection as one detail in a larger array.)

There’s an example of Venus-Eris that I’ve had the unjoyous fortune to meet get to know during the previous year, which is quite the opposite from this description! The orb (eclipto) of Ve sq Er is 39’; Ve herself is in Gemini and conj Sun, orb 3*05’ A, and Mars is conj Sun 2*52’ - but far away to be in orb with Ve and Er too; Luna is in Leo; the birth time I received is within an hour of exactitude, so not exactly sure about the precise details of the rest of the picture.
She’s sexually and emotionally constipated; this is shown in her relationships with the closest people, lack of trust and openness about own authentic feelings and the Venusian seems entirely projected onto the environment in a form that presents it to self as Dangerous, monstrous, needs-be-controlled-and-suppressed. Heavy early-adulthood trauma in intimate relationship;
has grown to become a Hitler supporter; an actual *racist* net-plotting local aspiring “mamman”-to-be, operating within the culture-building of the local Communities she’s managing, of the young generation of artists and creative-entrepreneurs of LA !


... maybe there’s a polarity-switch tendency, of an extreme-in-expression or a-seeming-total-distortion/lack-thereof, of a principle in relation/aspect with Eris? ... with Gemini here, the polarization as such, as theme, is also emphasized; and Mars with the Sun colors the whole nativity quite differently than if this was a primarily-Venusian or Venusian-only picture...
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Re: Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 26, 2021 10:16 pm

Data?
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Re: Eris

Post by Danica » Wed May 26, 2021 11:10 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 10:16 pm
Data?
Are you asking for birth-data, or events?
For the first, privately sent to you (see messenger), and will do same to other members who ask, doesn’t feel fitting to share here openly.

If you’re asking for more details on events, I’d have to go through diaries, let me know.
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Re: Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:17 am

Mozart, whose chart is already dominated by Uranus and Pluto, was also an Eris fellow. Eris was partile conjunct his partile Moon-Pluto conjunction. It was also 1°28' from his IC, making it slightly closer to an angle than Uranus.

Additionally, Oprah Winfrey was born with Eris 0°30' from IC (something not evident except in the mundoscope).
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Re: Eris

Post by mikestar13 » Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:38 pm

On the topic of Venus-Eris, I think I have some relevant experience, since in my nativity Eris conjoins Venus within half a degree (also conjuct the Sun and sextile rising Mars in Taurus, which complicates the picture). There has always been chaos in my romantic/sexual relationships. There is chaos now, but by God's grace with Terry it is external circumstance and not the relationship dynamic itself (a pleasing reversal of my usual pattern).

I have been always been reliably monogamous on the one hand, and not just a question of values: cheating, threesomes, orgies, ... just don't float my boat. My natural bent is to be laser focused on my current relationship, be it for the night or a two decade marriage.

On the other hand, when I'm not committed to someone, pretty much I never met a woman I didn't want (barring cases of a woman so egregiously ugly I question if she's human or so palpably evil that it's oozing from her pores). In the context of the above, there is essentially nothing I won't at least try sexually. (For the record, barring any degree of non-consensual--I consider that grossly immoral and also have never even fantasized about it).

Yet on the third hand, while I don't mind and now and then have enjoyed the kinkier things, I don't miss them or crave them. Plain vanilla if in semi reasonable quality and quantity never leaves me even slightly unsatisfied even for years at a time.

Better astrologers than me need to figure out the contradictions in the above, but the chaotic pull in different directions seems very Eris to me.
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Re: Eris

Post by Venus_Daily » Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:57 pm

I know this isn't the SSR forum, but I went back and looked over my SSR charts, and I had Eris prominent in a lot of my charts from 2011-2017 when my mother had her stroke. In 2018, obviously, the trend stop, and this is the point when I started seeing a different endocrinologist and addressed a lot of the physiological issues I had been having due to being hypopituitary, and the biggest thing that really helped was addressing a severe Vitamin D and magnesium deficiency I had. Sorry if I derailed the thread. I just didn't feel in control of anything during this time.

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Re: Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:03 pm

Eris is far off the horizon so it doesn't fall on angles often where it seems to by longitude. Here is what I found of transiting Eris in those years.

2011: 9°07' below Asc, very widely foreground. (Saturn on Dsc was the main factor.)

2012: 5°29' from MC, moderately foreground. The most important thing was Venus exactly on Asc. However, by transit Eris was crossing SSR MC all year.

2013: 1°01' from Dsc - very strong, the strongest thing in the chart (and opposite Venus across the horizon).

2014: 2°46' from IC - quite close. But Pluto half a degree from Ascendant was the strongest thing.

2015: 0°19' from Asc. The closest of the set, and the only transiting planet of great significance in the chart.

2016: 4°52' off MC, but intensified by close opposition (in mundo) by Moon. Probably the second strongest year.

2017: 5°40' from Dsc, The most important thing that year was Uranus 0°02' from Dsc.
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Re: Eris

Post by Venus_Daily » Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:30 pm

Does this symbolize that Eris has some influence in our lives through transits and returns? It does seem to echo other harsh influences. It's going to be pretty interested to see Eris' transit into Aries around 2024. Hope it doesn't symbolize war.

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Re: Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:41 pm

Venus_Daily wrote:
Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:30 pm
Does this symbolize that Eris has some influence in our lives through transits and returns? It does seem to echo other harsh influences. It's going to be pretty interested to see Eris' transit into Aries around 2024. Hope it doesn't symbolize war.
It isn't likely, since Eris' extremely long, elongated orbit places it in Aries a very long time.

Eris first enters Aries in June 2023 and, after five retrograde cycles back into Pisces, settles in for the long-run in February 2028. It remains in Aries full-time until (get ready) 2136 - 108 years later - before it first sets foot in Taurus. It then retrogrades back and forth between the two constellations until it fully settles into Taurus in 2140.

Eris first entered Pisces (for the current cycle) in May 1901 and has been there full-time since 1905.

We can't easily study its prior behavior in the signs since it's orbit appears to be 559 years long. That means it was last in Pisces 1343-1469 (full-time during 1347-1464). You could study that century-plus to see how it compares to the years since 1905. It's last passage through Aries was 1464-1581 (being there full-time 1469-1578).

It's interesting, but perhaps coincidental, that the Black Death (bubonic plague) ravaged Europe 1346-53, the earliest years of Eris in Pisces; and we've had two gigantic world pandemics during the current passage. The 15th century, over half of which had Eris in Pisces and the other half in Aries, was the dawning of the Renaissance, the fall of Constantinople and eastern empire it governed; so I'm sure there is one or more of the Crusades in one of these two periods along with the intentional effort by Europe to dismantle the Islamic world. (I haven't looked it up yet.) Eris in Aries marked Columbus' voyage and the opening up of half the planet to the other half in the greatest period of exploration in history (which, however, sounds more Piscian to me).

Under the Eris in Pisces period - let's look at the exploration - Henry the Navigator led Portugal's great explorations. Joan of Arc led her campaign and suffered her punishment at the end (religious wars were quite popular). The Aztecs rose to become the dominant force and culture in Central America and the Incas build Machu Picchu. In the last years of the passage, Constantinople and the Byzantine Empire fell. At about the same time, the Hundred Years War ended (I guess this ran more or less the full length of Eris in Pisces) with decisive French victory over England.

There continued to be wars with Eris in Aries, though these were not of the scope and grandeur of the Pisces period. The early ones, at least, were more about shifting rulership and rotating dynasties. Of course, Columbus' voyage is a turning point in 1492, along with the concurrent expulsion of all Jews from Spain; other significant European explorers made their historic, consequential journeys to America.

Most of the 16th Century had Eris in Aries. The Italian Renaissance was in full force. Europe's march into the Americas began to surge. Copernicus and Brahe began to dismantle religion-based old models of the universe and create modern celestial mechanics. The Protestant Reformation began, with permanent, transformative effect on Europe. Looking at this, it suggests Eris in Aries could be quite remarkable and exciting!

It was the time of Da Vinci and Michelangelo, of Martin Luther and Henry VIII, of Columbus, de Soto, and Magellan (but also the savagery - some might say genocide - of Cortez and Pizarro). It included the rising into power of Queen Elizabeth I in 1558, and the first half of the Elizabethan Era. (The half that most fed the flourishing of immortal writing and art fell under Eris in Taurus.)

As it matured, this period became a time of majestic monarchs around the world - Henry VIII and Elizabeth I, the Khans in China, Ivan the Terrible in Russia, Islamic rulers spreading as far as Indonesia, just to name the most obvious. It was the era of Catherine de Medici.

Eris' time in the last sign of the zodiac ended with the last year of the Julian Calendar, for its successor, the Gregorian Calendar, was instituted the following year. With Eris in Taurus, Denmark built the world's first theme park in 1583 :), and the era of Marlowe and Shakespeare began to unfold.
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Mercurty-Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:58 am

At the moment the first plane hit the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, 8:46 AM EDT, 40N42'42", 74W00'45", Mercury and Eris were both precisely angular and in 0°08' mundane opposition.

Mercury 0°29' below Asc
Eris 0°21' above Dsc
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Re: Eris

Post by SteveS » Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:20 am

Jim noted:
Mercury 0°29' below Asc
Eris 0°21' above Dsc
Impressive!

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