Sun in Pisces - Arts versus Religion?

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Sun in Pisces - Arts versus Religion?

Post by Lance » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:48 am

There are two Sun in Pisces that I know.

Neither one of them seems to really fit the description of "Drawn to the foreign, exotic, wondrous, theatrical, mysterious, glamorous" unless you see this as part of their involvement in religion because both of them are very religious?

I mean, I guess religion can be "wondrous, theatrical, and mysterious," but I keep thinking more in terms of the arts when I read that, but neither are very interested in the arts.

Does anyone else have any similar thoughts or observations?

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Re: Sun in Pisces - Arts versus Religion?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:06 am

I would certainly have meant religion in "love of the mystical, mysterious," etc. Beyond that, the details depend on, well, the details of their religion.

Do they belong to a religion that actively uses high ritual? If so, then that's no different (for this purpose) than "theatrical." It's Piscian. I specifically mentioned missionaries and preachers right alongside explorers and diplomats.

Do they belong to what some have called "slave-religions"? Pisces has a bondage theme that shows up sexually, shows up in their relation to their job ("indentured"), and would be the pattern in which they most likely would pick a religion.

Pisces definitely has two very strong, intertwining themes of eros and (usually repressive) morality (usually religious-infused morality). It's usually impossible to disengage the two in their mind. I described this as: "Much of their life is an approach-avoidance dance with seductive temptation, passionately embracing or fleeing one extreme or the other (prohibition, or aversion to prohibition)." Their judgementalism is easy to characterize as "holier than thou."

Pisces Suns did show in one study of 667 people in the field of "religion" (but that's pretty wide, I think it included door-to-door Bible salesmen; and, knowing the nature of traditional religious communities, I'm not sure how distinct this is from their tendency to be "community volunteer leaders" in the political sense).

Those are some thoughts.
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Re: Sun in Pisces - Arts versus Religion?

Post by Lance » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:56 pm

Thanks. Yeah, I’ve been pondering it.

I just had someone resist those characterizations, and it’s hard to start saying, well... many of these things are part of your devotion to your religion, which is "mystical" and "wondrous," but is also "theatrical" and “slavish” and all these things that sound negative to you but actually look that way to an outsider.

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Re: Sun in Pisces - Arts versus Religion?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:57 pm

LOL, yes, I understand. You have to find different language.

There are a lot of characterization of fine wine that sound perfectly pleasant to me because I know what they mean but, on reflection, probably sound unpleasant to the untrained palate. There are half a dozen descriptions that Marion and I use between ourselves (and with other wine professionals) that, when used around other people, prompt us to add, "and that's a good thing!" So we use alternative language.

One of the critical components of most fine wines is a certain amount of acid that keeps it from being flabby, that keeps it fresh, that makes the mouth water, but a lot of people think "acid" sounds like something that they don't want to drink. So, we tend to refer to these as "tartness that balances the sugars," or to say the wine is "crisp."

In our society, most people don't admit that (approached neutrally) there often is something pleasant in the the smell of fresh feces, and some of the greatest wines on the planet - for example, pinot noir from some of its best regions - have a character in the scent that is often described politely as "earthy" and, among those who know the wines well, by the more extreme term "barnyard." This has often been found so indelicate by some people that I started being intentionally over-finessed and saying it was un soupcon de merde, which is French for "a little poop."

And so on. Which is merely to say t hat, yes, "theatrical and slavish" probably don't ring true or positive to a Baptist regarding their religion, whereas "deeply feeling and devotional" probably will. Or, you can just talk to most of them about what they do in the kitchen when entertaining (they are such show-offs at a barbecue).
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Re: Sun in Pisces - Arts versus Religion?

Post by James Condor » Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:57 pm

Pisces-
Living through other people? Living through forms, ideas?
Absorbing (sensitivity) environment?
Is the above Neptune exclusively?
With Pisces, does Venus seems more obvious or apparent than Neptune. Maybe
The Neptune is vague and attaches mysteriously
My bad posting this here, thought I was on Sun in Pisces discussion
But, if I were to connect the dots to this post title, I’d say Neptune is the art and Venus the religion

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Re: Sun in Pisces - Arts versus Religion?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:08 pm

James Condor wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:57 pm
Pisces-
Living through other people? Living through forms, ideas?
Absorbing (sensitivity) environment?
Is the above Neptune exclusively?
With Pisces, does Venus seems more obvious or apparent than Neptune. Maybe
The Neptune is vague and attaches mysteriously
Without validating, denying, or tweaking the traits you post, and taking them on their face: While there are conceivably some Venus elements in this, some overlap (e.g., Venus is indeed fundamentally responsive), what you post seems primarily Neptunian.

The "living through others" I know in Pisces is what I call, "never more themselves than when being someone else." Neptune is a function in us that forms character and skills by introjection, i.e., internalizing characteristics observed in others. Neptune also signifies our "merger" needs, the anaclitic reflex, the tending to dissolve our ego into someone else's. And (like Venus and, in a different way, Moon, it absorbs.)

OTOH there's a lot about Pisces that is venereal, not the least of which is the pronounced Eros theme, perhaps as deep as that of Taurus (but weirder).
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Re: Sun in Pisces - Arts versus Religion?

Post by Soft Alpaca » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:54 am

I always associate Jupiter with pisces as well. The religious connection goes hand in hand with this planet. There is definitely some of this same dark slavish theatrical theme found in the jovial side of cancer as well. [Note the irony of that previous statement]. Any Jupiter energy is noted to have a slightly condensing air of me over them, holier than thou etc. Its this quality and drive to be the best.

I honestly dont know how or why we stopped looking at jupiter and pisces, in many ways it's so blatantly there we tend to want to overlook and search past it (is it just too easy?).

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