PRINCIPLE: Merging with another, fantasy, devotion
Idealistic, future-looking, longs to be enchanted. Wants things perfect. Can become jaded, disillusioned, and cynical from repeated hurtful betrayals. Emotions run strong. Most sees beauty in people and things, thus has blind spots (especially in romance). Trusting, naturally confident of others’ goodness (poor discrimination in selecting friends). Good-hearted, caretakes others, devoted friends, romantic, humanitarian. Natural people-readers (when not personally involved), natural psychologists.
Pursuit of unreachable love object (whether in very simple, mundane forms, or through religious devotion). Humanitarian at times in a highly idealistic sense. Wears "rose-colored glasses." - Caretakers of others.
Friendship may be exalted to godhood. Quellas
suggests that helping and manipulating are variants of the same principle (savior-abuser ambiguity). They do seem to be people-readers, but only if they can step outside of the personal equation. Natural psychologists, but did not show in any unusual frequency for my study of actual psychotherapists.
GARTH ALLEN notes wrote:"Kiss of Death." Velvet touch, ingratiating manner that can melt others' resistance and doubts. Able to weave a fascinating illusion of charms.
GARTH ALLEN wrote:...best recognizable for the way it endows the velvet touch, an ingratiating manner that can melt others' resistance and doubts so easily that Venus-Neptune has been called the kiss of death in planetary symbolism.
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:With this aspect the native is inclined to be hopelessly romantic in matters of love. In some ways there is an element of the theatre in their affairs. Both Shakespeare and Rudolph Valentino had this conjunction in Taurus.
Josephine Baker, John Belushi, Leonard Bernstein, Nicholas Cage, Belinda Carlisle, Andy Gibb, Truman Capote, King George III, Henri Toulouse-Lautrec,
Neptune exaggerates, diffuses, confuses, distorts, infuses with fantasy, hyper-sensitizes, atrophies, and withers one’s love nature, romantic and pleasure style, social urges; awareness of beauty and harmony, and “femininity.”
Venus soothes, harmonizes, and gives pleasure through one’s imagination and fantasy, mode of reality fabrication, sensual indulgence, and response to temptation.
CONJ: John Q. Adams, Lyndon B. Johnson, Jimmy Carter
OPP/SQR: Dwight D. Eisenhower
TRI/SEX: Abraham Lincoln, Chester A. Arthur
Notebook #93 observations:
STATISTICS wrote:Among astrologers, Tropicalists have far more of these than Siderealists.
Trines and sextiles common for 99 heads of states
In my small pilot study years back, this was high for murderers especially the soft aspects. However, this doesn't show in the Bradley study.
(Opposition-Square) A good heart; vulnerable to hurt or betrayal. Even the troublemakers are strong on service and likable.
Some casual observations, harvested from another thread:
I see a number of politicians that seem especially motivated by ideological (rather than pragmatic) considerations. Most of the men on this list stand out for a kind of delicacy, but not all (e.g.,
you'd not usually credit Lyndon Johnson with that trait).
Opposition and square:
Female celebrities have a defiite tendency to be "cute sexpot" types - Madonna, Belinda Carlisle, Jane Fonda, Jane Russell - and several women known to me personally have some of the same personal styling. (They tend to be tough, smart, etc., but they let the "sexpot" thing play to their advantage, and apparently because it feels good to them.) Among politicians, despite seeing Adolf Eichman, I see much less ideological motivation - consider Dwight Eisenhower. Most of them (in various areas of pursuit) have a strong ability to weave illusion and imagery and psychological styling to deliver on whatever they are doing. (Perhaps this is what Bradley meant in his "kiss of death, velvet touch" references.)
Trine and sextile:
The first thing I notice is that there are a lot
more politicians in this group. They all have an ideological bent, but it isn't very pronounced in most cases - more of a convenience of category than a driving element in their decisions. (It's more obvious to see ambition independent of an ideological reason.
Here's an interesting kinetic vs. static
twist: The harder aspects have a knack for weaving illusion and (among other things) turning themselves
into celebrity-image types. On the other hand, the static aspect list includes people who tend to get turned into
"celebrities of the hour" more or less despite themselves. Capt. Chesley Sullenberger is a good example (the guy who did a controlled plane crash in the Husdon). Or Rudy Giuliani, who was made far more of a "celebrity character" by 9/11 than by all of his affirmative political efforts. Or astrologer Gillian Helfgott, whose celebrity status arose from the film (Shine)
made about her husband.
One things I would expect, in theory, for Venus-Neptune static aspects is greater passivity - idealism without passionately chasing it down - whereas the kinetic aspects have the capacity to be true zealots (in their personal lives or in other areas). In looking at Venus-Neptune trine-sextile people I know, they seem a bit vague to me - wispy in some sense - and are pretty much what I just conjectured. They may be more truly happy (other things being equal) than the "hard" aspects, because passively existing within their idyllic fantasies (without any need to "do anything about it") frustrates them less. - Few of the people I personally know with close Venus-Neptune trines/sextiles
are in long-term relationships. Among the young, they tend to be "move around in sexual-romantic encounters" types - and among the older they tend to be still doing this, or jaded. A few have settled down long-term, but not most of them. The ones who have done so tend to be pretty happy.