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Re: Moon-Jupiter and Public Office

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:06 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Go for it!

Re: Moon-Jupiter and Public Office

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:48 am
by Avshalom Binyamin
Sorry, I didn't think it was a copyright violation. Feel free to delete all three, the photo is not important.

The point was:

Titanic is full of Neptunian themes, both literally (shipwreck, the ocean) and conceptually (idealism in lieu of practical reality). Jack and Rose are romantic and easy to idealize simply because romantic tragedy prevented them and us from seeing the inevitable tragedy (from an hyper idealist's perspective) of a life of mundane squabbles and dirty dishes.

Rose seemingly chooses the practical path of survival, but ultimately she has to engage in romantic folly (throwing the diamond necklace into the ocean) to maintain her connection with the romantic idealism that defined her story with, and love for, Jack.

A Neptunian person can't just turn it off and behave realistically just because someone says it makes more sense too. In fact, the greater the practical cost of a decision, the greater the sacrifice, the deeper the sense of meaning derived from the symbolic act of choosing an ideal over the real.

Like all forces, this is a two edged sword. Sometimes it be can be self destructive, sometimes it can teach profound lessons about connecting deeply. Sometimes both at the same time.

Re: Moon-Jupiter and Public Office

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:05 pm
by Danica
Jim Eshelman wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:47 pm
I don't feel that these things explain the tremendous popularity of Bernie Sanders, for instance, whose closest aspect is a sextile between Jupiter and the Moon.
The ironic truth about Bernie is that he is an elitist. A culminating Sun with a Pisces Moon most closely aspecting Jupiter couldn't be anything else, and the Pisces Moon and Venus-Mars let him bring passion and idealism to it. His schtick has been to find the way to get followers to passionately believe they are better than anyone else. His motivates are a million times better than Hitler's, but his tactics have a great deal of overlap: rousing unreasoning passion to lead people to the promised land through their superiority.

Here's my standard interpretation of Moon-Jupiter (I think you've seen it). I can't swear which traits most get them elected historically. (In the SSR it's totally different. SSR Jupiter is a transiting Jupiter, so they're blessed with luck. Quite a different mechanism. But you moved from there to a question about natal Moon-Jupiter.) I don't actually understand what it is that gets people elected, though luck, a sense of superiority and class, representing themselves as something better than the other guy, and a spirit of generosity and caretaking "their kind," their constituents, their countrymen who are like them, seems it would have a great deal to do with it.
Ambitious, noble, desires success, aspires to take the lead. (Natural ‘host,’ likes to play ringmaster in all life areas including social & sexual hospitality.) Desires only the best (things & circumstances) for self & loved ones. Possible social elitism, feigned superiority, aristocratic conceit. Drawn to quality. Usually good-humored, entertaining, kind, generous. Strong beliefs (often religious or patriotic intensity, moralistic, judgmental).
What time of birth do you have for Bernie?

Re: Moon-Jupiter and Public Office

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:30 pm
by Jim Eshelman
12:27 PM according to a colleague who worked alongside him. This makes it A data if you believe it was likely passed along correctly, or C data if you don't.