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Beto O'Rourke

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:22 am

Beto O'Rourke was born September 26, 1972, hour unknown, in El Paso, TX. His Virgo Sun conjoins Pluto and squares Jupiter.

At noon on his birth date, Moon was 28°47' Aries. If he was born after 1:59 PM, his Moon is in Taurus. From the patterns we have historically seen of how presidents' Sun and Moon signs "hand off," this would put him in the running to succeed Donald Trump. (Odds are extremely high that only someone with a Taurus or Scorpio luminary can succeed Trump.)

Taurus Moon is certainly credible. He worked as a nanny, among many other things. His strongest feature in his Senate campaign was a promise of compassion in government. Etc. But, of course, we need events to see if this is likely (in the absence of a birth record), so here we go:

1995 May 19 - arrested for burglary with friends, breaking into U of Texas El Paso physical plant; one night in jail; charges dropped in February (UTex decided not to press charges)
1998 Sep 27, 3 AM, Anthony, TX - arrested on DUI; charges dismissed 10/99
2001 Jul 3 - Father died in a vehicular accident (Beto gave eulogy at funeral)
2005 Sep 24, Lamy, NM - Married
2012 Nov 6 - Elected to U.S. House of Representatives (El Paso area)
2013 Jan 3 - Began serving in U.S. House of Representatives
2017 Mar 31 - Announced candidacy for U.S. Senate
2018 Oct 19 - Houston Chronicle endorsed him - others followed soon after
2018 Nov 6 - Lost U.S. Senate race against Ted Cruz (after coming seemingly impossibly close)
2019 Jan 3 will be his last day as a Congressman (he didn't run for reelection to the House)

He comes from a heavily connected political family and got involved in politics very early, serving in 1984 and 1988 - when he was 11 and 13 years old ?! - as Texas chairman of Jesse Jackson's presidential campaigns.
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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:01 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:22 am
1995 May 19 - arrested for burglary with friends, breaking into U of Texas El Paso physical plant; one night in jail; charges dropped in February (UTex decided not to press charges)
1998 Sep 27, 3 AM, Anthony, TX - arrested on DUI; charges dismissed 10/99
2001 Jul 3 - Father died in a vehicular accident (Beto gave eulogy at funeral)
2005 Sep 24, Lamy, NM - Married
2012 Nov 6 - Elected to U.S. House of Representatives (El Paso area)
2013 Jan 3 - Began serving in U.S. House of Representatives
2017 Mar 31 - Announced candidacy for U.S. Senate
2018 Oct 19 - Houston Chronicle endorsed him - others followed soon after
2018 Nov 6 - Lost U.S. Senate race against Ted Cruz (after coming seemingly impossibly close)
2019 Jan 3 will be his last day as a Congressman (he didn't run for reelection to the House)
Father's death - If he were born very late in the day, he gets progressed Moon-Saturn conjunction. For example, if he were born at 24:00 (very end of the day), Moon is just past the 1° orb.

Wedding - I thought we could get a progressed Moon conjunct natal Venus, but there is no birth time late enough for this.

First elected to House - Progressed Sun-Moon conjunction for a birth around 4 PM, give or take two hours; but this could have manifest earlier in the campaign, so not a good measure.

Announced candidacy for Senate - I'm not sure when his peak of the Senate campaign would be. Using the announcing date, for a noon birth progressed Moon was applying 3° to progressed Jupiter and 3° past natal Jupiter - could swing either way. Moon also was right in the heart of squaring several natal and progressed Virgo planets.

Nearly all of these look like a birth in the last half of the day when Moon was in Taurus.
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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:21 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:22 am
1995 May 19 - arrested for burglary with friends, breaking into U of Texas El Paso physical plant; one night in jail; charges dropped in February (UTex decided not to press charges)
1998 Sep 27, 3 AM, Anthony, TX - arrested on DUI; charges dismissed 10/99
2001 Jul 3 - Father died in a vehicular accident (Beto gave eulogy at funeral)
2005 Sep 24, Lamy, NM - Married
2012 Nov 6 - Elected to U.S. House of Representatives (El Paso area)
2013 Jan 3 - Began serving in U.S. House of Representatives
2017 Mar 31 - Announced candidacy for U.S. Senate
2018 Oct 19 - Houston Chronicle endorsed him - others followed soon after
2018 Nov 6 - Lost U.S. Senate race against Ted Cruz (after coming seemingly impossibly close)
2019 Jan 3 will be his last day as a Congressman (he didn't run for reelection to the House)
Arrested for burglary - t Sun 4° Taurus opposite Pluto 5° Scorpio could easily have conjoined natal Moon (estimate 4 Tau 00).

Father's death - Venus 3° Taurus possibly conjunct his Moon, could be one part of the pattern.

Late in the Senate campaign when he was surprising people with bringing the gap to almost zero, t Jupiter was passing opposite this degree. On Election Day it was at 4°37' Scorpio, for example. It's not likely he lost with an exact Jupiter to Moon transit, so Moon isn't likely that late.

I'm very intrigued that this charming, winning "people's politician" might have Moon in the exact degree of its exaltation, 3° Taurus. This would be roughly 7 PM, the exact middle of the 2 PM to midnight stretch with Moon in Taurus, and the place I'll start looking for further narrowing.
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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by SteveS » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:44 am

Jim wrote:
I'm very intrigued that this charming, winning "people's politician" might have Moon in the exact degree of its exaltation, 3° Taurus.
:o

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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by sotonye » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:16 pm

Just observationally, and given what we know about the nature of the signs, Beto I think fits more as a Moon in Aries type by far, as he's fiery, but also... political. We know that Taurus tends to avoid politics, and we know that politics is an Arian domain, and we know further how much passion this man has for this all, and so earlier birth times I think have greater likelihood for these reasons. And after watching him speak I wouldn't call the guy charming as much as charismatic, even roguish, a little rough in a cool way; a kind of rebelliousness is subtly present about him. Using 11am as a possible birth time seems to work well for symbolizing some of the peak events in his life given above, with prog Mercury conjunct his Asc and opposite his Moon for his father's death; and with prog Venus conjunct his Mars, prog Mars conjunct his Uranus, and prog Jupiter squaring his Sun for his wedding, for example.

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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:30 pm

Taurus avoids politics exactly the way that John Kennedy and Barack Obama avoided politics.
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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by sotonye » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:41 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:30 pm
Taurus avoids politics exactly the way that John Kennedy and Barack Obama avoided politics.
Particulars are not arguments against generals

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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by sotonye » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:52 pm

http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34#p154

I don't think anyone would disagree that this^ sounds like him more than the description for Moon in Taurus. If anyone does disagree, I'd love to know which Taurus Moon characteristics listed are more evident in his character than those in the above.

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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:53 pm

Exactly. The opposite applies also: We have politicians it with every sun sign and every moon sign, so you can't base a rectification on the idea that someone's in politics and must have an Aries Moon instead of Taurus.

I can't think of any reason at all that you might think he has an Aries moon except for a very brief time of tending to get in a bit of trouble as a teenager.
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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by sotonye » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:11 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:53 pm
Exactly. The opposite applies also: We have politicians it with every sun sign and every moon sign, so you can't base a rectification on the idea that someone's in politics and must have an Aries Moon instead of Taurus.
If the research of sidereal giants like yourself and Garth Allen suggest that Aries is generally a political constellation, this gives, I think, more weight to the possibility
I can't think of any reason at all that you might think he has an Aries moon except for a very brief time of tending to get in a bit of trouble as a teenager.
And the reasons I have were given in the first reply here, that he's a bit roguish, more charismatic than charming, a little rough and rebellious seeming, a real fiery individual, a passionate intensity in his manner of speaking, much different from the smooth and velvet touch of Barrack. Barrack is a smooth operator, and after watching every video I could get my hands on of Robert, I have to say he's not so smooth. Comparisons have been made between himself and Obama but I think they're a stretch, based more or less on the fact that they are tall, handsome, wellspoken, and use the same hand motions. And moreover the description for Moon in Aries just fits really well, it sounds almost exactly like the guy.

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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:25 pm

Basing a rectification on a guess at a Moon sign is too weird for me.

I think O'Rourke sounds exactly like a Taurus moon. Charming to charismatic, passionately intense, those big dark eyes...
I don't see Aries' pushy overtly political tactics at all. But again, guessing at Moon sign is no way to run a rectification.

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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:09 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:22 am
1995 May 19 - arrested for burglary with friends, breaking into U of Texas El Paso physical plant; one night in jail; charges dropped in February (UTex decided not to press charges)
1998 Sep 27, 3 AM, Anthony, TX - arrested on DUI; charges dismissed 10/99
2001 Jul 3 - Father died in a vehicular accident (Beto gave eulogy at funeral)
2005 Sep 24, Lamy, NM - Married
2012 Nov 6 - Elected to U.S. House of Representatives (El Paso area)
2013 Jan 3 - Began serving in U.S. House of Representatives
2017 Mar 31 - Announced candidacy for U.S. Senate
2018 Oct 19 - Houston Chronicle endorsed him - others followed soon after
2018 Nov 6 - Lost U.S. Senate race against Ted Cruz (after coming seemingly impossibly close)
2019 Jan 3 will be his last day as a Congressman (he didn't run for reelection to the House)
Wedding - Is it too simple to expect that on this day he (like me) had transiting Sun exactly on his Dsc? Or Jupiter there? These give, respectively, possible times of 6:45 PM and 7:45 PM.

First elected to House - Too many appropriate planets within shooting distance of his angles. This will be interesting to check once we have a real time. Similarly, for starting his service in the House, t Uranus is exactly opposite his Sun anyway, so it is irrelevant whether it is also on a natal angle.

Similarly, several planets are possibly on his angle for announcing his Senate bid. The most interesting are transiting Sun 16°14' Pisces (at noon 3/31/17) and Venus 6°11' Pisces. These give possible times of 7:11 PM and 6:45 AM, respectively. (That's two for 6:45.)

Houston Chronicle endorsement - t Saturn was partile square natal Sun, so it's not a relevant factor whether it was on/near his MC. Ditto for his actual defeat.

But from my 7:00 PM estimate, I see this might lean a little closer to 6:45 PM.
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Re: Beto O'Rourke

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Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:22 am
1995 May 19 - arrested for burglary with friends, breaking into U of Texas El Paso physical plant; one night in jail; charges dropped in February (UTex decided not to press charges)
SLR Sun and Neptune on angles, nothing looking exact.

Demi-SLR is intense but unclear: Mercury-Jupiter across horizon paran Saturn on IC. Not sure I can make anything useful out of this.
1998 Sep 27, 3 AM, Anthony, TX - arrested on DUI; charges dismissed 10/99
His new SSR was a few hours later with transiting Mars exactly on MC but Moon square Jupiter partile. This looks solid.

SLR had partile Mercury-Venus conj. sq. Pluto on angles, with natal Moon-Neptune along meridian (natal Neptune partile square Asc). This also looks solid. - I can't tell if the Demi-SLR is relevant, since it mostly shows luck nd a good time, and I don't know the details of the event.
2001 Jul 3 - Father died in a vehicular accident (Beto gave eulogy at funeral)
SLR Neptune rising, maybe Uranus sq. MC. The immediate (July 1) Demi is quite good, though, having a tight Moon-Venus pp[position across the horizon and Saturn exactly on WP. This is quite decent of not quite "so good it looks contrived."
2005 Sep 24, Lamy, NM - Married
Not bad, though things could be sharper. The SLR has a close Venus-Uranus opposition within shooting distance of meridian and Moon a bit past Descendant. Natal Neptune exactly rises. If Moon were 2°44' Taurus, Moon-Venus-Uranus would all be quite close to the angles, a birth time of 6:28 PM would be warranted instead of 6:45.

But this was also two days before his birthday. The outgoing SSR (for a 6:45 PM birth) has natal Jupiter closely setting and Mercury-Mars-Jupiter on natal Mars, square natal Jupiter, and square SSR Asc. It's quite a hit!
2012 Nov 6 - Elected to U.S. House of Representatives (El Paso area)
2013 Jan 3 - Began serving in U.S. House of Representatives
SLR for election is confusing. Moon is on WP, natal Venus is on MC and Zenith, and there is some Neptune. Not entirely sure what to make of it.

The SLR for Washington for taking his seat has Moon on MC - pretty good symbolism - square Neptune. Double Moon-Neptune, in fact. I have no idea how confusing and disorienting this move was to him. Can't fully endorse it, though Moon on MC is good and Jupiter is more widely near MC.
2017 Mar 31 - Announced candidacy for U.S. Senate
SLR same day has Sun exactly on EP, Jupiter (on natal Uranus) closely setting, and more. Quite an excellent chart.
2018 Oct 19 - Houston Chronicle endorsed him - others followed soon after
SLR Jupiter closely angular on IC square natal Venus rising. Exceptional! However, Demi-SLR is opposite symbolism, Saturn near his Jupiter etc. near Descendant and natal Saturn sq. MC. Perhaps fitting the mixed tone of the time, which is that he was making headway, surprising people, and still losing.
2018 Nov 6 - Lost U.S. Senate race against Ted Cruz (after coming seemingly impossibly close)
Transiting Neptune on IC, natal Neptune exactly rising, natal Saturn on WP. Quite fitting despite the partile Moon-Jupiter opposition.

Some of these are exceptional. Dome are boring to modestly good. None make me want to throw the chart out. I think we're onto something.
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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:59 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:22 am
2005 Sep 24, Lamy, NM - Married
If Asc were 1°14' later, p Asc sq. r Venus.
2012 Nov 6 - Elected to U.S. House of Representatives (El Paso area)
p Asc conj. r Moon 0°41' sep.
p EP op. p Moon 0°35' sep.
2017 Mar 31 - Announced candidacy for U.S. Senate
p Asc op. r Neptune 0°05' ap. No idea if this fits or not.
2018 Nov 6 - Lost U.S. Senate race against Ted Cruz (after coming seemingly impossibly close)
p Asc op. p Neptune 0°16' sep. This one fits.

I won't rely on these too heavily, though. They're fine but they're not splendid. No modifications or confirmations based on this.
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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:06 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:22 am
1998 Sep 27, 3 AM, Anthony, TX - arrested on DUI; charges dismissed 10/99
SQ Moon-Mars sq. 22' partile to MC.
SQ Asc sq. s Pluto conj. r Neptune 04'.
This is perfect! (To the minute.)
2001 Jul 3 - Father died in a vehicular accident (Beto gave eulogy at funeral)
SQ Asc sq. s Saturn, r Neptune
SQ MC conj. t Pluto
Again: This is really good!
2017 Mar 31 - Announced candidacy for U.S. Senate
s Mars conj. r Jupiter 25', 1° from SQ Asc... just a bit interesting.
2018 Oct 19 - Houston Chronicle endorsed him - others followed soon after
t Venus op. SQ Moon
SQ MC conj. r Venus
SQ EP conj. s Mars
2018 Nov 6 - Lost U.S. Senate race against Ted Cruz (after coming seemingly impossibly close)
SQ MC op. r Moon (not sure what this might mean)

Many of these are quite good!
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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:20 pm

I am prepared to put forth a chart for 6:45 PM September 26, 1972, El Paso, TX as a high likelihood correct birth for Beto O'Rourke.

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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:42 pm

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:25 pm
I think O'Rourke sounds exactly like a Taurus moon. Charming to charismatic, passionately intense, those big dark eyes...
I don't see Aries' pushy overtly political tactics at all.
The doe-like eyes look utterly Taurian to me (more what comes through them than their shape), and there is something very Young Kennedy about him.

Almost every word out of his mouth in this interview is pure Taurus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjCWJXOaMtc

In general, he promises compassion as a foundation of policy and celebrates kindness and joy. He is cordial, mannered, magnetic, a little soft-edged, vulnerable while brave. Amazing smile. Thoughtful, reflective, gentle independent thinker. Pretty straightforward Taurus Moon.
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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by Lance » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:23 am

sotonye wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:52 pm
http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34#p154

I don't think anyone would disagree that this^ sounds like him more than the description for Moon in Taurus. If anyone does disagree, I'd love to know which Taurus Moon characteristics listed are more evident in his character than those in the above.
What you're seeing here can also be explained by the Sun, Pluto, Jupiter configuration.

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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:51 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:20 pm
I am prepared to put forth a chart for 6:45 PM September 26, 1972, El Paso, TX as a high likelihood correct birth for Beto O'Rourke.
Believe it or not, my first "guesstimate" of Beto's birth time was around this time too. :)

When this thread first had two posts (which Jim has now summarised them into the first post) I figured his being dropped from his criminal charges meant that he has some enormous privilege. Also, knowing he has a Sun-Jupiter square, with quite an exceptionally early involvement in politics, I thought he must've had that aspect on the angles, and Jupiter on MC was the guess I was most comfortable with, as Sun wasn't as far from the angles when compared to his Jupiter being on the other angles. But of course, that isn't the right way to do a rectification. It's very insightful to see how well the 6.45 PM birth time is working against Jim's tests. :geek:

A Sagittarius Jupiter sitting partile on the Midheaven, squared closely by Sun, Mars and of course, Pluto. That's quite a powerful Zeus! I wonder how he's not Republican. Maybe it's the Pluto.

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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:59 am

Family history may have something to do with it. Immediate family has been deep in national politics since the Kennedy administration.
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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:11 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:59 am
Family history may have something to do with it. Immediate family has been deep in national politics since the Kennedy administration.
I see. Yeah I can see how that may have something to do with it. 8-)

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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by SteveS » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:03 am

Intuitive observation: After watching the video with Beto & Ellen, the first thing that jumped into my mind: Even if Trump is running against Beto for 2020 Prez, no way Trump will win vs Beto, simply because Trump will have nothing to attack (Trump’s Mars rising) like he did against his REP opponents and Hillary. This is not to say Trump would not try to use his attack tactics, only that they will not work (backfire) against Beto, IMO.

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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:11 am

SteveS wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:03 am
Intuitive observation: After watching the video with Beto & Ellen, the first thing that jumped into my mind: Even if Trump is running against Beto for 2020 Prez, no way Trump will win vs Beto, simply because Trump will have nothing to attack (Trump’s Mars rising) like he did against his REP opponents and Hillary. This is not to say Trump would not try to use his attack tactics, only that they will not work (backfire) against Beto, IMO.
He'll probably attack him as a sissy and weak on X, Y, and Z. (People will use Beto drag pictures from his days in a fake-girl punk band, but they don't drag out the pictures of Giuliani in drag marching in the NY Pride Day parade :))

This BTW is part of the feel of Taurus Moon: He's vulnerable to accusations (ill-founded, but he has the vibe) of being week, sissy, soft on crime. And of course he really is legitimately at odds with Trump on immigration. Similar effect to how Trump treated Taurus-Gemini "Little Marco" Rubio.
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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by SteveS » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:25 am

Good points Jim. No doubt Trump will try to Bully Beto if given the chance, but I think a bully tactic will backfire big time with Beto''s 'public' demur. There is something 'much' different about Beto vs most other politicians I have witness these past many years.

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Re: Beto O'Rourke

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:26 am

Trump will choose the areas to focus his attacks on any other candidate the same way he chose the areas in which he attacked (continues to attack) Mrs Clinton. He will listen carefully to what their opponents say in the primaries and use the best of it as if it were his own idea. That's what he did last time and it worked.
BTW, Sanders is already attacking O'Rourke and some of the other newly elected people as "not progressive enough" just like he did with Mrs. Clinton. If Democrats aren't careful, he's going to be the spoiler again.

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