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Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:36 pm

With the new version of this site in May 2017, we start afresh with a new thread on Donald Trump. The long thread on the old site traced him from early in his presidential campaign, through the whole of 2016 and his election and early months as president. It was going to be too much to copy those many hundreds of posts, so let's start fresh (and I'll scan the old thread and copy over a few things that might be important going forward).

Trump was born June 14, 1946, 10:54AM, Jamaica, NY (Rodden Rating: AA). For angularities:

Mars conj. Asc (3°33')
Saturn conj. AV (0°55' long. or 0°39' from due east in azimuth)

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:42 pm

(1/20/2017, 10:05 AM PST)

The personal events for the individuals (in contrast to the official start of the administration) - I got Pence's oath completed at 11:54:28 AM and Trump at 12:00:22 PM.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:43 pm

TheScales_BothWays wrote:
Jim Eshelman wrote:I got Pence's oath completed at 11:54:28 AM and Trump at 12:00:22 PM.
I second Jim. I saw the live event myself too.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:46 pm

Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:General Flynn tendered his resignation as National Security Advisor to President Trump before 7:53 PM in Washington and it was accepted. That's going on the announcements in Twitter by Bloomberg news reporters. He said he'd "inadvertently" lied to VP Pence when he said he hadn't talked about the sanctions to Russian diplomats. Lt. General Kellogg was named to fill in for Flynn for now.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:47 pm

(2/14/2017)
I think this may be the day Trump leaves office. This is just the transits to his natal. There are charts that place the transit Sun, Saturn, and Pluto on either the MC or IC on January 12, 13, or 14; including the PSSR.

Trump WH - Natal Relocated Jun 14 1946, 9:54 am, EST +5:00 White House Dist of Columbia 38°N53'50'' 077°W02'13''
Geocentric Fagan-Allen Zodiac Campanus Houses, True Node

........................Rise...........Upper.............Set..............Lower
Parans to Sat......................115°43'.............................295°43'

Transits Jan 13 2020 - Natal Chart Jan 13 2020, 10:00 am, EST +5:00 White House Dist of Columbia 38°N53'50'' 077°W02'13''
Geocentric Fagan-Allen Zodiac Campanus Houses, True Node

Parans to Sun.....................294°42'.............................114°42'
Parans to Sat......................294°42'.............................114°42'
Parans to Plu......................294°45'.............................114°45'

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:48 pm

(2/16/2017, 6:49 PM PST)

I'm putting this on the record... The aspects are so pronounced, that odds are very high that I'll be right, or that something very similar will happen.

Donald Trump will be impeached very close to January 24, 2018, immediately after the anniversary of his inauguration. (January 21 is perhaps the biggest shakeup day of that general time.)
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:48 pm

Arena wrote:Wishful thinking? :)
Based on what do you think this?
It would take me about an hour to type it up, so I'll leave it as a puzzle. Start with his secondary progressions, move through his transits and return charts, add an independent layer of the mundane charts, take a look at both Pence and Ryan charts... It's quite a dance. (Oh, and transits and secondary progressions of the U.S. natal chart.)

Wishful thinking would be me saying, "Donald Trump will be impeached next Tuesday."
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:49 pm

StarAgeWiz wrote:Critical Tr. Saturn retrograde dates for Trump (Drumpt) for June & July 2017.

Tr. Saturn is going Direct Motion now after being Retrograde aspecting Trump's
natal Sun opp. Moon. Fagan has stated that when a slow moving transiting planet returns for
a second pass it's influence can be even more pronounced.

Natal Sun -28Sco56, Natal Moon-27Sco12
Tr. Saturn critical approx. dates...8 pm EDT
21 June 29Sco02, 24 June 28Sco53, 30 June 28Sco32
10 July 27Sco48, 20 July 27Sco13, 23 July 27Sco01

At the very least Trump's popularity will take a serious hit along with bouts of depression
or possible health problems and further degrading of his reputation (tr. Saturn over n. Sun)

Have yet to calculate his Solunars for this period but if the above aspects are Angular
then of course look for some significant events.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:49 pm

To spell out what I see for Trump early next year, here are a few items from his own charts. (There are also factors in Pence's chart, the mundane charts, the U.S. chart, and more t hat deserve attention.)

On January 23, 2018 we see the following:

p. MC 8°52' Cancer
p. Saturn 8°49' Cancer

r. Pluto 16°03' Cancer
p. Moon 16°03' Cancer

For a possible fine-tuning, his Washington SNQ angles for January 26 at noon are as follows:

p. MC 17°34' Aquarius
t. Neptune 17°37' Aquarius

p. Asc 9°10' Gemini
t. Saturn 9°18' Sagittarius

Add:
t. Uranus 29°50' Pisces
r. Saturn 29°50' Gemini

t. Mars 5°07' Scorpio
r. Asc 5°59' Leo

The closest thing to an amelioration is transiting Venus opposite that progressed Moon-Pluto conjunction, which looks, however, more like "filling in the details" on the event, not a primary descriptor.

His January 13 SLR has a Mercury-Saturn conjunction on IC, square his Neptune on Asc.

His SSR has t. Uranus conj. Dsc 0°12' (squared by Mercury; a disclosure?). In an astonishing (perhaps unprecedented) replication of his natal quotidian, the SQ for noon January 26, 2018 has angles WITHIN 0°04' of the SNQ:

p. MC 17°30' Aquarius
t. Neptune 17°37' Aquarius

p. Asc 8°56' Gemini
t. Saturn 9°18' Sagittarius

I am certain I have never seen anything quite like this.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:50 pm

For the same sample date of January 26, 2018, what do the mundane charts show?

The new CAPSOLAR, from January 15, loses the protection of Jupiter-Uranus plus Sun (including Sun-Jupiter) on the angles, and instead has:

Pluto sq. Asc (0°08'), on IC (2°52')
Uranus on Dsc (0°42')
Sun on IC (3°08')
Venus on IC (4°44')

-- Sun-Uranus sq. (0°21')
-- Venus-Uranus sq. (0°25' in mundo)
-- Sun-Venus conj. (1°25')
Moon-Saturn conj. (+1°36'; or 0°57' in mundo)
Moon-Mercury conj. (-0°51')
-- Mo = Me/Sa (0°23')

The January 16 CAPLUNAR is reasonably kind, including to solar figures like the president, with a triple Moon-Sun-Venus conj. on Descendant. However, the January 23 ARILUNAR then reiterates the Capsolar in its main points (and with nearly identical aspects, plus a few new ones):

Uranus sq. MC (0°23')
Moon sq. MC (0°36')
-- Moon-Uranus conj. (0°13')
Pluto sq. Asc (1°24'), on IC (5°03')
Mercury on IC (5°45')
-- Mercury-Pluto conj. (0°43' in mundo)
-- Moon-Uranus conj. (0°18')

The daily timing for this exact date aren't overly crisp, but they are hardly uninteresting. Concentrating attention on noon of the 26th:

t. Saturn conj. CanQ EP (1°43', closer the prior day)
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:51 pm

SteveS wrote:IMO, we should start seeing our first clues to possible future specific events with Trump's war-like aspects in Aug-Sept 2017. This should clue us in what to expect for 2018.
I agree with the timing, but for a different reason: His progressed Sun conjunction with his Ascendant goes out of orb in August. It's the point he loses his "Trump is God" protection. Then, the next Capsolar replaces this year's Capsolar and removes the more generic "The President is Our Blessed Savior" aspects.

Pull those out from under him, and... among other things, he starts feeling the full force of his 2017 SSR. The one with t. Saturn conjunct natal Moon, and natal Saturn 0°20' from the Zenith. (You know about SSRs like that, yes, Steve?)
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:53 pm

(3/31/17)
SteveS wrote:The Donald is headed for a heap of troubles once he loses his 2016 SSR Moon-Natal Jupiter this June.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:53 pm

SteveS wrote:The Donald is headed for a heap of troubles once he loses his 2016 SSR Moon-Natal Jupiter this June.
And his progressed Sun-Ascendant conjunction in August.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:54 pm

(4/2/17)
SteveS wrote:Based on the potent Moon-Saturn symbolism I see with Trump the second half of this year (2017), it would not surprise me if Trump was forced to remove himself due to health problems. Believe me, being under a double whammy of Moon-Saturn symbolism in my current SSR, I can attest to the effects of a debilitated health condition and/or its psychological effects. Trump is a decisive- impulsive personality and likes to move fast, DC and its establishment is the opposite. If Trump cannot achieve his agenda with his own majority party by the end of his 2018 SSR, it would not surprise me if he simply resigned; particularity, if he is still experiencing any possible health effects from his upcoming Moon-Saturn symbolism. I await to see the direct effects of what I consider, significant Mars symbolism hitting Trump with the Total Solar Eclipse degree hitting Trump's Natal Mars and relocated Asc this Aug. Jim's seems to think this Mars symbolism will manifest in a personal manner, and I have to agree with Jim's analysis. If this Mars symbolism manifests personally with him going to war with his own party members, and Trump sees he will lose this battle/war, I feel strongly he will eventually resign. It could be Trump loses his wars/battles in the Courts, either way, if he does not get his way with his agenda--why continue as Prez?

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 11:55 pm

(4/28/17)

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet. I was thinking, on the way home, that presidents seem to get their "pet" adversaries, and Trump seems to have settled on North Korea as his arch nemesis. So, I was curious what his own chart looked like for Pyongyang.

Boy oh boy, was that question on target! Trump's Ascendant for the capital of North Korea is 6°00' Aquarius, meaning that his 2°42' Leo Mars is setting. Oh, but it's not a comfy 3-4° away, like it looks. Nosireesir. His Mars is only 0°30' below Descendant.

Not only that, but Pluto is 4°56' below Descendant. Mars front and center, backed by Pluto, and merged in a moderate-orbed Mars-Pluto mundane conjunction (4°26').

His Saturn is in the immediate background for North Korea, so I don't expect him to suddenly acquire discipline, restraint, prudence, or reserve.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by By Jove » Thu May 11, 2017 12:58 pm

You think our Dear Leader will wage war with North Korea anytime soon? Some people are getting scared of WWIII starting, which I hope they're just being hysterical.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 11, 2017 1:35 pm

All the Mars predicted for this month, and especially this week, seems to be his promise to send thousands of more troops to Afghanistan (!) and to send training troops to the Kurds against the interests of Turkey.

It could have been worse, and it still might be.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:12 pm

I'm working on my mundane forecasts for the month beginning June 12. You can find these in the usual place. However, in the "Trump Watch" section (the third page of the monthly mundane forecasts), I was rather startled at what I found, and what I felt I needed to say. Here is my first draft - I encourage anyone to help find flaws in this. - The obvious flaw is that, while perhaps the description is right, the scope and intensity are wrong - that's hard to judge. I have attempted to understate. (And, of course, my personal wishes regarding Trump are hardly secret. One must be a bit skeptical when one sees in a chart exactly what one want to see.)

So... here's the first draft. Let me know what you think. (It's for the period June 12 to July 9, the term of the upcoming Caplunar. You can read the mundane astrology background in the full thread in the mundane forecasts section.)



PROGRESSIONS
Pres. Trump's progressed aspects begin a significant shift this month. Long-term patterns are already fading, while others are rising to the fore; and one critical aspect takes the lead June 23 that pushes things in a new direction.

He's still riding the long wave of progressed Sun conjunct natal Ascendant (expiring in August). Mars aspects to Mercury and Pluto persist. A slow Venus' conjunction with his Jupiter (now in orb, and peaking in mid-2018) is the only clear bright spot for him looking forward.

Of great concern for him is progressed Saturn conjunct progressed MC, which peaks next January. Surely only the Sun-Ascendant progression is holding this at bay, and it can't do that much longer. The long-term picture for Pres. Trump professionally and politically is dire.

And that direness strikes hard this month. With progressed Saturn-MC already active, progressed Moon enters partile conjunction with his MC June 12, then begins to conjoin Saturn June 23. Just to stir uncertainty, progressed Moon starts to semi-square his Uranus June 27. Moon-MC is exact July 8, and Moon conjunct Saturn on July 19.

Moon-Saturn progressions are some of the roughest we endure, and Trump begins to endure this as transiting Saturn crosses Washington's Cansolar MC and malefic forces concentrate on Washington in general. (See especially the Liblunar week above.) Emotionally exhausting experiences (bringing sadness, depression, frustration, resignation, even illness) commonly involve great loss of dignity, enhanced feelings of inferiority and inadequacy. Nobody wants to be a "loser" or publically disgraced, but it would be unusually hard on this president's personality. Most neutrally we can say that his security needs are stronger during this time; more broadly, we can anticipate a distinct personal loss.

TRANSITS
PLUTO squares his JUPITER just as SATURN opposes his SUN. The former (long in play) is in orb all month, and the latter until July 17. Pluto-Jupiter is exact June 26 and Saturn-Sun June 23, just as his progressed Moon-Saturn progression begins. Then Saturn conjoins his Moon beginning July 3, overlapping the Moon-Saturn progressed conjunction described above - and with substantially the same meaning.

This will be one of the worst summers of Donald Trump's life.

Pluto-Jupiter lifts up and casts down, in both cases performing extremely and against the odds. It has lifted him to a pinnacle, and may continue to hold him there, though his risk is a Nixonesque hard casting down on the rocks, falling so close to the Saturn-Sun transit. As Donald Bradley wrote in 1948,
Donald A. Bradley wrote:Jupiter-Pluto. No flights of the imagination are allowed by this planetary combination, which is the harbinger of the end of the old and beginning of a new cycle in the native's relationship to his career, his financial status, and the outside world. (Cf. the speedy coronation of new kings.) It is the marker of crises which make or break the native's reputation, by forcing grave issues out into the light of day, for all to see and judge.
He has a possible brief reprieve beginning June 28 with Jupiter semi-square his Mars. This often brings needed strength and improves one's ability to compete. I think it unlikely to overcome the other severe aspects, but it likely will help him endure what otherwise seems unendurable.

This leaves URANUS square his VENUS, already in play and lasting until June 19. Last month I wrote that there seemed no way to know whether this would be primarily personal or political in its outcome, i.e., whether it affects his closest personal relationships or the nation's foreign relations. The first clear effect included both, as his son-in-law and close advisor became heavily implicated in the Russia investigation. I still think other shoes will be dropping, and I hope the very best for his marriage in particular. For most people, this transit means sudden love, renewal and excitement in love and pleasure, flirtations, becoming more fun-loving and experimental, with new "zing" in an old relationship; and/or starting an electrical new one. These all carry some emotional tension, and maybe domestic rearrangement. However, this month, the focus is much more on foreign affairs (see the lunar ingresses above).

Key MARS transits, of briefer duration, help identify key hotpots for his month. Some are quite acute this month. Their exact days are:

Mars sq. r Neptune June 14
Mars conj. r Mercury June 19
Mars ssq. r Mars June 23
Mars ssq. p Sun June 30
Mars sq. r Jupiter July 2

NEW SIDEREAL SOLAR RETURN (June 14)
Perhaps the most important feature of Donald Trump's new Sidereal Solar Return is that it terminates his 2016 SSR with Moon exactly conjunct his natal Jupiter. That ends.

In its place, he acquires a new annual chart that, by angularities, is tense and debilitating and, by aspects, is potentially devastating.

It's one shining positive feature is technically an experimental factor, something we have not had the opportunity to validate sufficiently: His 29°38' Virgo Ascendant is conjunct the fixed star Spica, long regarded as one of the most positive of stars - except, it is not at its most positive here, because the closest SSR angularity is natal Saturn square Ascendant (0°12') and square the rising Spica (0°44').

Historically, Spica has been associated with fame, a luxurious life-style, refinement, esteem, and alignment with the arts. From this description, I would give it a Venus-Jupiter character. Yet, while agreeing with all of these attributes, Reinhold Ebertin observed that Spica angular with malefic planets causes "a rise followed by a downfall with tragic ending."

Angularities in the SSR, besides the exact natal Saturn, include transiting Uranus (square MC 0°54'), natal Venus (< 2° from MC), and natal Jupiter (quite wide). Natal Saturn and transiting Uranus, both partile, give the sense of disruption and tension at best, and much personal unhappiness in most cases.

Where this SSR speaks most loudly, though, is in its aspects. It has three that I just discussed above, Pluto square his Jupiter (0°17'), Saturn opposite his Sun (0°38'), and Uranus square his Venus (1°20', immediate foreground). To this, add transiting Mars square his Neptune (0°07'). Look up each of these in turn. They speak of a very hard time, a downfall, personal loss, uprooting of security, and having every psychological vulnerability unearthed and penetrated.

The Mars-Neptune is the key aspect of presidential assassinations. However, it is quite background here. I do not expect this physical result. I do, however, expect attacks of comparable severity.

Other factors in the SSR are minor: Moon trines his Sun and sesqui-squares Mars, which really add nothing we don't already see in his temperament.

The angular Saturn, Uranus, and Venus, and these four transiting aspects speak most strongly about the year that begins June 14.


SIDEREAL LUNAR RETURN (June 9)
Trump's new lunar return, a few days before the new Caplunar, primarily gives highlights the Uranus-Venus transit described above - doubly, because its key features are a Uranus-Venus conjunction on Descendant and Uranus square natal Venus at MC. I will stand by what I wrote above on that aspect.

Despite this possibility for play there are severe luminary aspects lurking in the background. Moon and Saturn are conjunct in the immediate background, with Saturn just entering orb of opposition to his Sun. Though weakly placed, these are exact in the SLR and therefore have voice. It is underscored by natal Saturn closely square SLR Ascendant. Pluto squares his Jupiter (both foreground). We have seen all of this earlier: It is nearly identical with his new Solar Return. Something is about to happen that has the power to deeply wound him personally.

DEMI-SLR (June 23)
Exactly (to the day) as transits and progressions converge to show a powerful crisis, a Demi-Lunar occurs with Sun and Mercury both exactly rising (Sun within 0°05') and natal Sun widely foreground. No doubt, Trump's imperial, solar self will be the hub of events.

Saturn and Neptune are foreground, each 5-6° from angles (on opposite sides and not in aspect). These are debilitating. Were they in aspect, we would read them as suggesting abdication or removal. However, the real focus is on this Saturn conjunct Trump's Moon and opposite his Sun.

Saturn opposes his natal Sun within 0°00' with all three malefics foreground. It is hard to mistake this meaning. Remember that wall he wants to build? Well, under this aspect and these angularities, he gets his wall - and hits it hard. Person and position are assailed. Law prevails. He feels undervalued, underappreciated, discouraged, needing positive recognition and ego-reinforcement when the messages are all the opposite and ego-expression is blocked. Health is put at risk. Demands from the outside world increase in number and severity.

Pluto squares his Jupiter within 0°05'.

SIDEREAL LUNAR RETURN (July 6)
Just before the end of the astrological month, and in the midst of the worst mundane astrological pressures on Washington, Pres. Trump has a new Lunar Return that is far less dramatic, has a bit of kind relief, but still keeps up the pressure on him.

If, as I think is so, natal planet angularities are to be taken mundanely instead of ecliptically, then this is not a crisis-level chart. (If I'm wrong, then it is.) Natal Pluto is ecliptically 0°19' from the horizon, but mundanely is so far away that it isn't foreground. I will interpret this as if natal Pluto is not foreground.

The strongest factor in the SLR is a partile Moon-Saturn conjunction. In simple terms, things are not going his way.

Moderately foreground, we find transiting Venus and Mercury each 4° from angles. This is the bit of kind relief of which I spoke. It gives a mild sense of peace, a few more kind words. In fact, people have kinder words for him than he has for them, since his Mars is widely (2°03') conjunct Westpoint.

Finally, Pluto is still partile square his Jupiter. The major transits are not letting up on their pressure.

Were we to follow the more house-driven approach of Fagan and Bradley's early years, we would read the 11th house Moon-Saturn conjunction as specifically meaning frustration of hopes and wishes, and perhaps abandonment by friends. I am most intrigued, though, by Bradley's statement in Solar and Lunar Returns that an 11th house Moo "always seems to bring about a state of affairs where the native is required to commit himself, in promise, oath, or admission."
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Arena » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:22 pm

Did you check his PSN progressions?

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:40 pm

Arena wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:22 pm
Did you check his PSN progressions?
No. Thought about it. I'm trying to keep the same format every month, and generally only to rely on things that are proven.

But, since you raised it, here is the month's work of PSN progressed aspects (leaving out a few slow ones that last for years or decades). I don't see much that would stir a reaction.

FOR THE ENTIRE FOUR WEEKS:
p Sun sq. r Uranus
p Mars sex. r Moon
p Venus sq. p Saturn
p. Mars tri. p Uranus

OTHERS:
p Mon sqq. p Ven start-6/18
p Mon sqq. p Sat start-6/26
p Mon sq. r Mon 6/14-... (exact 7/5)
p Mon sq. p Ura Up-Up 6/24-...
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:20 am

Today is Donald Trump's birthday, which, of course, brings a new Sidereal Solar Return. His clicks in mid-afternoon Washington time.

Perhaps the most important feature of Donald Trump's new Sidereal Solar Return is that it terminates his 2016 SSR with Moon exactly conjunct his natal Jupiter. In its place, he acquires a new annual chart that, by angularities, is tense and debilitating and, by aspects, is potentially devastating.

It's one shining positive feature is technically experimental, something we have not had the opportunity to validate sufficiently: His 29°38' Virgo Ascendant is conjunct the fixed star Spica, long regarded as one of the most positive of stars - except, it is not at its most positive here, because the closest SSR angularity is natal Saturn square Ascendant (0°12') and square the rising Spica (0°44').

Historically, Spica has been associated with fame, a luxurious life-style, refinement, esteem, and alignment with the arts. From this description, I would give it a Venus-Jupiter character. Yet, while agreeing with all of these attributes, Reinhold Ebertin observed that Spica angular with malefic planets causes "a rise followed by a downfall with tragic ending."

Angularities in the SSR, besides the exact natal Saturn, include transiting Uranus (square MC 0°54'), natal Venus (< 2° from MC), and (quite wide) natal Jupiter. Natal Saturn and transiting Uranus, both partile, give the sense of disruption and tension at best, and, more likely, personal unhappiness.

Where this SSR speaks most loudly, though, is in its aspects. It has four of great importance:
1. Pluto square his Jupiter (0°17')
2. Saturn opposite his Sun (0°38')
3. Uranus square his Venus (1°20', immediate foreground)
4. Mars square his Neptune (0°07').

These speak of a hard time, a downfall, personal loss, uprooting of security, and having every psychological vulnerability unearthed and penetrated.

Mars-Neptune is the key aspect of presidential assassinations. However, it is quite background here. I do not expect this physical result. I do, however, expect attacks of comparable severity.

Angular Saturn, Uranus, and Venus, and these four transiting aspects speak most strongly about the new year. Here are some more notes on the other three aspects:

Pluto-Jupiter, which is foreground, lifts up and casts down, in both cases performing extremely and against the odds. It has lifted him to a pinnacle, and may continue to hold him there, though his risk is a Nixonesque hard casting down on the rocks, falling so close to the Saturn-Sun transit. As Donald Bradley wrote in 1948,
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:33 pm

A Tropicalist contact, on seeing my note about Trumps SSR, pointed out something that should make for a worthy comparison and test. Trumps Tropical Solar Return (TSR) has Jupiter partile conjunct Ascendant and nearly stationary. This is a sharp contrast to his SSR. (The TSR occurred June 13, 2017, 2:39:08 PM EDT in Washington, DC, almost exactly 25 hours earlier than his SSR.)

The Tropical chatter about this is that the rising Jupiter is conjunct Putin's (TZ) 14° Libra Sun. (Trumps TSR Ascendant is 12°07' Libra, Jupiter 13°15' Libra.)

Of course, the Ascendant ruler, which is also the 8th house ruler, is in the 7th House, afflicted by a square from Moon in the 4th, so Melania will likely kill him in their home, especially since Pluto is also in the 4th house and rules the 2nd and she wants his money... I'm joking BTW.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:03 pm

Mars at 6 Can 02 is 8°48 from conjunct the tropical MC at 13 Can 50, so there's that if things turn out badly for him. I mean when you're using the TZ, you get bigger orbs too, right?

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:27 pm

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:03 pm
Mars at 6 Can 02 is 8°48 from conjunct the tropical MC at 13 Can 50, so there's that if things turn out badly for him. I mean when you're using the TZ, you get bigger orbs too, right?
I suppose Pluto square Jupiter could cover it, too. :)
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by DDonovanKinsolving » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:05 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:33 pm
... I'm joking BTW.
😣But that's what you get by mixing genethliacal with horary. Fagan warned against it many times, and Ken Irving once called it "optical hopscotch."

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