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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Venus_Daily » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:48 pm

I read Kenneth Bowser's article on the 2020 election, while he doesn't favor a democratic candidate in an astrological sense, he does make it clear through several different charts that Trump will lose. It's just disheartening, if Joe Biden doesn't pick up the nomination, we're going to get someone who is radically left.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:59 pm

Radically left solely to get through the primary. Then they'll make a sharp turn to the center. Don't get too upset.

Ken posted about the next election? That's exciting. Thanks for mentioning.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Venus_Daily » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:07 am

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:59 pm
Radically left solely to get through the primary. Then they'll make a sharp turn to the center. Don't get too upset.

Ken posted about the next election? That's exciting. Thanks for mentioning.
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Donald Trump - maybe the birth certificate is wrong?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:53 am

the subject line doesn't give my opinion, but an opinion in widening circulation among astrologers. The time we use for Donald Trump (10:54 AM) comes from the birth certificate that he published himself. I've always found the exactly rising Mars totally descriptive, and various performance of the chart persuasive.

However, there is a time of 9:51 AM that was the basis of ublished astrology work decades ago, that is reported to have come directly from Trump's mother, and was allegedly given when Melania consulted a private astrologer. This would normally not out-rank a birth certificate,but would have to be taken seriously and investigated.

Some people have doubt that the birth certificate Trump himself published is false. I don't have information to contradict or corroborate that, but consider it reasonable that Trump would have falsified his birth certificate, especially if he consults astrologers. He is known to have falsified medical records, falsified academic records, and withheld tax records, so... why would it be unthinkable that he publish a false birth record?

Here is an article discussing this in more detail:
https://www.keplercollege.org/index.php ... TPStiDSn_Q

I'm posting it here for everyone's consideration. If true, it means (gulp) we can trust anything in Trump's chart except angles. :)

Notice that while the birth certificate source is rated AA, the "source from mother" is rightly rated A - still very high - except that, with both of these claims existing, Trump's data now officially becomes DD instead of AA, meaning that there are competing, contradictory possibilities.
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Re: Donald Trump - maybe the birth certificate is wrong?

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:21 am

Time zone confusion? Having done that myself, it wouldn't be hard to do.

Haven't read the article yet, but off to do that now

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:23 am

Nope. EDT for both.

BTW, he would still have a foreground Mars, just not very foreground. The big new thing in the chart is Pluto closely square MC. (It's an interesting possibility to consider.)
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Veronica » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:03 pm

I have often felt that certain types of people, with specific adgendas would lie about there birth data.
Knowing that others utilize it to get an upper hand, it would be a huge advantage to have a slight angle to fall back on.

He always felt like an angular pluto to me.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:22 pm

I'm not arguing for the alternate time, but I'm looking at it... and will mention anything remarkable I find.

For the 9:51 AM birthtime, the SLR before his (highly unlikely, unusual) inauguration occurred December 27, 2016, 5:43:20 PM EDT in Washington, DC, has this:

21°50' Sagittarius t Pluto
23°21' Gemini SLR Asc
23°28' Virgo r Jupiter
25°35' Pisces t Uranus
25°43' Virgo t Jupiter

His Demi-SLR January 10 had Asc square Venus (1°14') but also Saturn sq. MC 0°21' and tied closely into his luminaries.

For this birth time, his 2016 SSR not only had Moon conjunct natal Jupiter, it had the partile Moon-Jupiter conjunction on SSR IC! His SLR for election night was less obvious but boils down to the single most angular planet is natal Venus square SLR Asc 1°17'.

The most important thing about his secondary progressions is that they does not have the one aspect on which I most relied to predict his morbid defeat. Trump, for the usually accepted ("birth certificate") had, for Election Day, progressed Moon partile conjunct natal Saturn, both of them sesqui-square transiting Neptune. They alleged time from his mother, for about an hour earlier, has progressed Moon at 28°18' Gemini, in orb of neither natal Saturn nor transiting Neptune. -- For inauguration day, progressed Moon conjoins natal Venus 0°35' and progressed MC squares progressed Venus 0°09'.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Veronica » Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:33 pm

Funny how an hour can actually rewrite a biography.
Makes him a totally different type of man with a totally different need then he had let on.
Wonder if Alex Jones told him to do that.

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Re: Donald Trump - maybe the birth certificate is wrong?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:52 pm

Another thing of interest about this time, which is getting attention just now: Transiting Uranus is exactly conjunct its Washington local Midheaven (11°17' Aries)!

On Friday, July 26, with transiting Uranus 13' from DC MC, transiting Mars exactly crossed the Ascendant. Its orb was about two days either side of Friday. Can anyone identify are squareley-hit Mars-Uranus impact event for him on or within two days of July 26 (last Friday)?

Something that I don't know if it's pro or con the chart: Melania's Sun is 12° Aries, near his MC natally and within 1° of it in Washington. Is this an argument for or against the chart? I really don't know. But, either way, she exercises control over him if this is his birth time, since she has a Sun-Saturn conjunction in Aries on his MC.

I don't think we need astrology to explain Hillary Clinton's antipathy toward Trump from long ago; but it's interesting that, for this birth time, her Mars, Saturn, and Pluto conjoin his Ascendant (with Mars-Pluto exact for his Washington Ascendant).

Marla Maples has Saturn exactly on Descendant of this chart. (There isn't much else between his chart and her untimed chart.) First wife Ivana had her Venus exactly on Descendant of this chart (which means that marriage-buster Maples put her Saturn on what, if this time is correct, was Trump and Ivana's best aspect, her Venus on his Descendant.)

He was forced to pay Ivana a $10 million divorce settlement on March 22, 1991. On that day, a Venus-Jupiter-Saturn T-square occurred at 10° Aries-Cancer-Capricorn with Jupiter-Saturn precisely on Trump's 9°54' Cancer Eastpoint, if this is his correct birth time.

How did Trump feel about hi father? I really don't know; but Fred died June 25, 1999. While Saturn and Uranus had been playing in the neighborhood of his angles, it's interesting that Venus transited 23° Cancer, conjunct Ascendant for this birth time.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Venus_Daily » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:36 pm

Looked at the chart. It's quite different. It doesn't put directed Saturn nearly close enough to natal Neptune to create a noticeable effect around election time. Directed Saturn isn't conjunct his natal Neptune within a 30-minute orb until March 20, 2021. If this chart is true, we're going to either get an impeachment around that time or a voluntary abdication.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:06 pm

If one trusts Solar Arcs to that extent.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:54 am

I'm finishing my first monthly forecast that considers Trump's possible 9:51 AM birth time. (For a while, every month I will do two independent forecasts for him under "Trump Watch," one for each possible birth time.)

If his 9:51 AM time happens to be correct, he has two very serious overlapping aspects:

t Uranus conj. natal (Washington) MC June 14 to October 11
(and then again next spring)

t Saturn conj. SSR MC July 28 to November 7

These overlap July 28 to October 11.

Looking for other comparably strong contacts within this time, I find his progressed Moon-Sun conjunction is partile beginning September 4 (exact October 2).
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Regulus rising

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:40 pm

I always look for the way primary themes of presidents' terms sneak out from their horoscopes. W's Gemini Sun converges with his term being inescapably melded to pictures of Twin Towers. Obama's Cancer-Taurus luminaries matches the only president to have the word "care" near-identified with his administration.

But for MAGA-pumping Donald Trump, I'd overlooked the fact until a few minutes ago that he has Regulus a single minute of arc from his Ascendant and the Sanskrit name of Regulus is the homonymous MAGHA.
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Unplanned hospital visit

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:08 am

Trump made an unplanned visit to Walter Read Hospital Sunday 11/16/19, arriving at 2:45 PM according to one source. It's significant because no presidential security and transportation protocols for routine were followed (prior notification of staff, mode of transportation, etc.) and the reason given for the visit (lab tests to get an early start on his annual physical for next year) could have been handled at the White House clinic.

I'll try to get back and do some stuff on this. We already know (see "Trump Watch" for this month) that he's under a horrible Demi-SLR and his stress levels have surely been through the roof.
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Re: Unplanned hospital visit

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:21 am

No particular transits. The Demi-SLR, of course, is a big deal. We should check some quotidians for the day as the only thing that is so time-narrow.

SNQ: p Asc op. p Neptune (20'), anxiety, worry, stress reactions.

SQ nothing.

(estimated) Mean PSSR: p MC conj. r Pluto (18'), p Asc op. s Uranus (-40'), t Uranus (+51'). t Pluto -45- PSSR Moon (11'). [I should come back when I have time and do the longer calculations to check this math.]
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Judiciary Committee formally decides charges

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:26 am

This morning (12/13/19) the House Judiciary Committee formally voted and approved two charges of impeachment against President Trump.

There will be many critical moments in this process (we've already had some). This morning's action is probably the second-most important in the whole series. The committee will now forward this recommendation to the entire House, which will debate it then vote on it next week. It will be the conclusion of that full House vote that will mark the moment he is impeached - that's the astrological timing that should prove most interesting.

Ongoing mundane patterns for Washington, transits and progressions to the U.S. chart for the nation, and personal patterns for Trump nonetheless point to this current week as one of high impact. As Jupe said a couple of days ago, this is surely wearing on and cutting into Trump hard.

The committee convened at 10:00 AM this morning and New York Times broke the news of the completed vote at 10:13 AM (Eastern). The vote was probably a few minutes before. For effect on Trump, the point of the news breaking is probably the most significant. Transits at that time were few but interesting:

t Saturn sq. r Jupiter 0°50' sep.
t Sun conj. r Moon 0°56' ap.
t Moon conj. r Mercury 0°57' ap.
event MC op. Trump's MC to the degree

Transits to his SSR included the following. Note that his SSR has a 03' Venus-Pluto sesqui-square and today had a 0°01' Venus-Pluto conjunction. They are connected.

t Pluto conj. s Pluto 0°46' ap.
-- t Venus conj. s Pluto 0°47' ap.
t Pluto sqq. s Venus 0°49' ap.
-- t Venus sqq. s Venus 0°50' ap.
t Uranus sqq. s Jupiter 0°49' sep.
t Saturn conj. s Saturn 0°23' sep.
-- t Saturn op. s Mars 0°05' ap.
t Sun sqq. s Uranus 0°58' sep.

The event chart itself is interesting with a 0°01' Venus-Pluto conjunction partile semi-square Mercury. Jupiter trines Uranus 0°23'. The vote itself probably occurred while Uranus was exactly squaring Ascendant.
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Re: Judiciary Committee formally decides charges

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:59 am

This is an interesting case of the Progressed Sidereal Natus (PSN) technique, which I still check occasionally. This (everyone has surely forgotten) is a progression based on the idea that the PSSR is valid and progresses continuously and without interruption from birth through life, so it's about 26% faster than secondary progressions. What follows is from the approximation method and probably has the planet positions about half an hour too-late in calculation - but close enough to spot check.

For today's event:

27°04' Leo p Mercury
27°13' Scorpio r Moon
27°16' Leo p Sun
27°44' Taurus p Uranus

29°20' Virgo p Mars
29°50' Gemini r Saturn
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Re: Judiciary Committee formally decides charges

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:03 am

Tertiaries are interesting for this also:

8°12' Aquarius p Sun
8°49' Leo p Saturn

His current (November 26) Ennead is quite protective, with Venus-Jupiter on EP. However, his current Decillium has:

16°03' Cancer r Pluto
16°18' Libra t Mars
16°20' Libra Asc

His November 20 Kinetic Lunar Return most pointedly has natal and progressed Pluto at Midheaven, squared by transiting Mercury. Also Uranus setting square progressed Saturn on Zenith. His December 3 Demi-KLR is very protective, though, with transiting Jupiter at MC. His upcoming December 17 KLR has transiting Sun at MC as its main feature.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:17 am

I hear Venus-Pluto in Mitch Mcconnel's words about running Senate impeachment trial "in total coordination with the White House counsel's office and the people who are representing the president."

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:32 pm

I just noticed something that I'd entirely missed until now and, to my greater surprise, I haven't seen anyone else in the larger astrological communities mention.

The Saturn-Pluto conjunction, which is exact January 12 at 27°46' Sagittarius, is almost partile conjunct Trump's natl Vertex at 28°55' Sagittarius. (I'm surprised the Tropical astrology community hasn't been making a big deal about this especially since - when you add back the 1°01' of precession since Trump's birth, the conjunction in the Tropical zodiac is only 0°08' wide.)

I doubt this has an immediate effect because it isn't really partile; but, within a few days, both Saturn and Pluto then move within partile orb of the Vertex.

I've never gotten a solid feel on how much I should rely on transits to Vertex. They seem way too unreliable to count on but just interesting enough to ignore completely.

I thought I should at least mention it.
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