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Eva Peron

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:55 pm

I've wanted (for many years) to try to dig through the multiple, conflicting alleged birth details of Eva Peron. To get that started (now or in the future), I want to record here what is alleged about her birth - to sort through it - then, in the next post, collate dates of important events. (I know there are several exact dates recorded in the movie version of the play Evita and I haven't yet gone through it just to extract them.)

Looking through available data, I see that the matter has much simplified since I first looked at the allegations. Over half the previously alleged dates are no longer listed anywhere. Below are the many possible birth details (excerpted from Astro.com unless otherwise said).

She was born in Los Toldos, Argentina. It's in Buenos Aires province. The town is also known as General Viamonte and, as such, it appears in the atlas of Solar Fire.

Wikipedia gives the standard alleged birth date of May 7, 1919. It was that the Junin, Argentina civil registry lists a birth this day of as Eva Maia Ibarguren. (There were always with her considerations that she forged her birth record as an adult.)

Marion March quoted a 1985 letter from Jose Modern Astrology Lebron of Argentina, "'La Vida De Eva Peron,' Tomo I: Testimonios para su historia, Buenos Aires, 1970, is a well documented biography from interviews, school reports and early documents as she was illegitimate and had the original B.C. destroyed. On p.13 is the time and date. The former mayor and publisher of the local paper said, 'I can assure you .... That Eva was born in General Viamonte, Los Toldos, province of Buenos Aires at a ranch near the Indian camp, 20 km off Los Toldos.'" The time given is 5:00 AM Cordoba time (9:17 AM GMT or 5:13:44 AM LMT.) [But what date? Am I missing something?]

Biographer R.L. Greenut gives the same date in "Revolution Before Breakfast." [What date is that? From the rest of the entry it seems it was May 7, 1919.] Marc Penfield quoted another biography (Eva Evita by Paul Montgomery) as corroborating the same date and time.

There are diverse other reports for May 17, 1917, with times of 3 PM and "early in the morning." Is there more value in her forging herself as younger or older? - There is an alleged 1908 date from an unnamed astrology magazine with no original source: I think we an dismiss it (along with several other alleged and unexplained dates).

It looks like Astro.com now accepts May 7, 1919, 5:00 AM, Los Toledos, Argentina as B-rated data, evidently from the various biographies. I suppose that is the best substantiated, the only other one widely and credibly reported is the May 17, 1917 time. However, I simply refuse to accept that she was a Taurus. I think it's impossible.

Therefore, I'll have a good look at what has settled into the accepted data, May 7, 1919, 5:00 AM Cordoba Time (UT +4:16:44), Toldos (aka General Viamonte), Argentina.
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Re: Eva Peron

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:56 pm

As a start, the Aries Sun and Cancer Moon are always what I thought she must have. I find them entirely credible. The fact that Sun is partile conjunct Mars in Aries while Moon is partile conjunct Saturn in Cancer is entirely credible. - But let's accumulate some dates.

1934 (age 15) - Left home, moved to Buenos Aires
1935 Mar 28, Buenos Aires - professional debut in the play La Senora de Perez
1944 Jan 22, Bunos Aires - Met Juan Peron at the fundraising gala for victims of the deadly San Juan earthquake a week earlier; they left at 2 AM. She immediately became his mistress. (She later called this date her "Marvelous Day.")
1945 Oct 9 - Juan Peron arrested in a political maneuver; he was released Oct 17
1945 Oct 18, Junin - Married Juan Peron
1950 Jan 9 - Fainted in public; underwent surgery 3 days later (diagnosed with cervical cancer)
1952 May 7 - On her birthday, given the title "Spiritual Leader of the Nation" by Juan Peron
1952 Jun 5 - final public appearance (Peon's second inauguration)
1952 Jul 26, 8:25 PM, Buenos Aires - died of uterine cancer
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Re: Eva Peron

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:47 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:56 pm
1934 (age 15) - Left home, moved to Buenos Aires
1935 Mar 28, Buenos Aires - professional debut in the play La Senora de Perez
1944 Jan 22, Bunos Aires - Met Juan Peron at the fundraising gala for victims of the deadly San Juan earthquake a week earlier; they left at 2 AM. She immediately became his mistress. (She later called this date her "Marvelous Day.")
1945 Oct 9 - Juan Peron arrested in a political maneuver; he was released Oct 17
1945 Oct 18, Junin - Married Juan Peron
1950 Jan 9 - Fainted in public; underwent surgery 3 days later (diagnosed with cervical cancer)
1952 May 7 - On her birthday, given the title "Spiritual Leader of the Nation" by Juan Peron
1952 Jun 5 - final public appearance (Peon's second inauguration)
1952 Jul 26, 8:25 PM, Buenos Aires - died of uterine cancer
I'll look first at her death, surely the best documented event of her life.

One remarkable transit immediately comes to the eye: For her death from uterine cancer, transiting Pluto conjoined natal Cancer Moon within 0°26'. Neptune opposed her Mercury 0°42'. Jupiter had just left orb of her Sun and Mars. - Her secondary progressions are stunningly silent and worthless except that progressed Saturn was (nearly to the minute) on SNQ EP-a.

Her SSR a few months earlier is an impossible mingling of benefics and malefics, all quite appropriate for a painful death followed by a national outpouring of love and honoring. One thing worth noting, though, is the partile Moon-Saturn conjunction plus Neptune on EP.

The clear chart, though, is her July 23 SLR. Transiting Saturn was on MC, natal Pluto on WP-a, transiting Neptune on Zenith.

Her SQ had transiting and SSR Saturn at the degree of Midheaven square SSR Uranus.

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Re: Eva Peron

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:10 pm

I'm only going to spot check the rest with transits and SLRs.

1935 Mar 28, Buenos Aires - professional debut in the play La Senora de Perez
I don't know how it went. The solunars are not particularly good, e.g., the SLR had Saturn precisely angular (atop natal Uranus).

1944 Jan 22, Bunos Aires - Met Juan Peron at the fundraising gala for victims of the deadly San Juan earthquake a week earlier; they left at 2 AM. She immediately became his mistress. (She later called this date her "Marvelous Day.")
Sun had just transited her MC in the prior 24 hours. Pluto conjoined her Neptune 45', Venus opposed her Venus that night (almost to the minute when they left the party).

This year that positively transformed her life had a SSR with two Jupiters angular (transiting was close) and Moon conjunct two Venuses. Her January 13 SLR is less clear but seems right overall: Transiting Sun is exactly angular (her in the limelight, a significant man, her decisive acts).

1945 Oct 18, Junin - Married Juan Peron
Transiting Jupiter square her Jupiter about 30'.

Her SLR has transiting Venus < 3° from IC and multiple aspects such as a Sun-Mercury-Jupiter conjunction (all three aspects within 0°07') and more. (Fitting.) Her October 16 Demi-SLR is too simple and not clearly fitting: Natal Uranus is exactly on Asc. The Jupiter-Jupiter transit, though background, is exact within 0°47'.

1950 Jan 9 - Fainted in public; underwent surgery 3 days later (diagnosed with cervical cancer)
Transiting Pluto square her Mars while Mars squared her Pluto.

Her Solar Return for that year had natal Neptune exactly setting, transiting Mars angular of the transiting planets. (The aspects are right, too, including a Moon-Saturn conjunction much as she had at birth.) The SLR also had natal Neptune foreground, though the most angular planet was Mercury. - I am a little uncomfortable with the Jupiter transit to her Neptune.

1952 May 7 - On her birthday, given the title "Spiritual Leader of the Nation" by Juan Peron
Her new SSR had Sun in the exact degree of horizon. Thereafter, we have less clear indications, including foreground transiting Mars and Pluto, natal Mars and Neptune, Moon exactly conjunct Saturn and square natal Pluto. (This was the year she was dying from cancer.)
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Re: Eva Peron

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:20 pm

Overall, I like these charts. Taken together, they are sufficient (and some of them are outstanding). Here is her chart from TMSA:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo 26Cn59'01" 05S08 +12°51' 141°21' 09N46 219°03' -59°22' 110°28'  58%  
Su 22Ar08'41" 00S00 +58'03"  43°18' 16N34  82°12' -18°14'  18°23'  61%  
Me 25Pi44'26" 03S04 + 1°02'  19°02' 04N44  78°23' + 8°04' 351°46'  83% F
Ve 00Ge06'32" 01N57 + 1°10'  83°04' 25N15  95°14' -54°55'  55°01'   2%  
Ma 22Ar43'00" 00S03 +43'37"  43°53' 16N41  82°24' -18°46'  18°56'  61%  
Ju 18Ge18'20" 00N14 +10'04" 102°59' 23N09 119°59' -69°24'  71°58'  34%  
Sa 27Cn53'48" 01N27 + 1'26" 144°23' 15N42 231°13' -62°23' 112°11'  55%  
Ur 07Aq42'34" 00S44 + 1'27" 333°37' 11S42  58°18' +53°17' 302°24'  37%  
Ne 13Cn00'43" 00S04 + 0'38" 129°00' 18N33 201°29' -72°30'  96°35'  89% F
Pl 11Ge22'14" 03S59 + 1'02"  95°17' 19N23 116°07' -61°27'  63°58'   4%  
------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects         Class 3 Aspects     
Mo sq Su 02°05' 92% M    Mo sx Ve 03°08' 81%       Me sq Ju 07°26'  2%  
Mo tr Me 01°15' 97%      Su sx Ju 03°50' 72%       Ve co Pl 08°57' 19% M
Mo sq Ma 01°32' 95% M    Su sq Sa 03°48' 73% M     Sa op Ur 09°49'  3%  
Mo co Sa 00°55' 99%      Me sx Ve 04°22' 64%                            
Mo oc Pl 00°37' 93%      Ma sx Ju 04°25' 63%                            
Su co Ma 00°32'100% M    Ma sq Sa 03°15' 80% M                          
Su oc Pl 00°34' 94% M    Ju co Pl 06°56' 50%                            
Me tr Sa 02°09' 91%      Sa oc Pl 01°32' 61%                            
Ve sx Sa 02°13' 91%      Ur tr Pl 03°40' 74%                            
Ma oc Pl 00°02'100% M                                                   
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                              Cosmic State                              
Mo Cn+   | co Sa 00°55'    tr Me 01°15'    sq Ma 01°32'M   oc Pl 00°37'    
         | sq Su 02°05'M   sx Ve 03°08'    
         |    Me/Ve 56'd   
Su Ar+   | co Ma 00°32'M   oc Pl 00°34'M   sq Mo 02°05'M   sq Sa 03°48'M   
         | sx Ju 03°50'    
         |    Ur/Mc 02'd   
Me Pi- F | tr Mo 01°15'    tr Sa 02°09'    sx Ve 04°22'    sq Ju 07°26'    
Ve Ge  B | Su Ar-
         | sx Sa 02°13'    sx Mo 03°08'    sx Me 04°22'    co Pl 08°57'M   
         |    Mo/As 02'd      Ma/Mc 29'd      Sa/As 29'd      Su/Mc 46'd   
Ma Ar    | Mo Cn-
         | oc Pl 00°02'M   co Su 00°32'M   sq Mo 01°32'M   sq Sa 03°15'M   
         | sx Ju 04°25'    
         |    Ur/Mc 36'd   
Ju Ge-   | Mo Cn+
         | sx Su 03°50'    sx Ma 04°25'    co Pl 06°56'    sq Me 07°26'    
         |    Ve/Mc 01'd   
Sa Cn-   | Mo Cn- Su Ar-
         | co Mo 00°55'    tr Me 02°09'    sx Ve 02°13'    sq Ma 03°15'M   
         | sq Su 03°48'M   oc Pl 01°32'    op Ur 09°49'    
         |    Me/Ve 02'd   
Ur Aq+   | tr Pl 03°40'    op Sa 09°49'    
         |    Pl/As 23'd      Me/Ju 41'd   
Ne Cn  F |    Ju/Ur 00'd      Ma/As 01'd      Su/As 18'd   
Pl Ge  B | Su Ar+
         | oc Ma 00°02'M   oc Su 00°34'M   oc Mo 00°37'    tr Ur 03°40'    
         | oc Sa 01°32'    co Ju 06°56'    co Ve 08°57'M   
As Ar    |    Ve/Ur 37'd      Mo/Pl 53'd
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Re: Eva Peron

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:25 pm

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Mundane aspects:

18°24' 1H - Sun
18°56' 1H - Mars
20°28' 4H - Moon
22°11' 4H - Saturn
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Re: Eva Peron

Post by ODdOnLifeItself » Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:59 am

Excellent work, Jim. I checked the Age Harmonics using this time and they seem thematically correct...

AH Jupiter square AH MC for her theatrical debut.

AH Uranus conjunct AH Venus and AH Mars opposite Node (sexual encounter) for meeting Juan Peron.

AH Pluto conjunct AH Asc and AH Saturn conjunct Moon for Juan's arrest.

AH Moon opposite MC and AH Mars contacts Jupiter for the wedding.

AH Neptune opposite AH Asc for fainting in public and AH Mars contacts natal Asc for her surgery 3 days later.

AH Sun contacts AH MC, AH Moon opposite Uranus, and AH Pluto opposite Venus for her last public appearance.

AH Saturn contacts AH Neptune, AH Uranus opposite Asc, and AH Pluto (cancer) contacts natal Moon (uterus) for her death from uterine cancer.

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These are good!
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Re: Eva Peron

Post by ODdOnLifeItself » Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:51 pm

I agree...the symbolism behind the Age Harmonics gives me a lot of confidence that the time is extremely accurate.

I have to admit as someone that went to college on a math scholarship, that I see an inherent beauty in these many overlapping reliable astrological systems. The Universe appears to work like a swiss clock, and is outfitted with many ways to "tell the time." [Transits, Progressions, Solar Arcs, Primary Directions, Returns, Age Harmonics...] And with all dove-tailing each other!

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Re: Eva Peron

Post by SteveS » Fri Jul 15, 2022 4:10 am

James wrote:
The Universe appears to work like a swiss clock, and is outfitted with many ways to "tell the time." [Transits, Progressions, Solar Arcs, Primary Directions, Returns, Age Harmonics...] And with all dove-tailing each other!
Indeed!
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Re: Eva Peron

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:22 am

ODdOnLifeItself wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:51 pm
I have to admit as someone that went to college on a math scholarship, that I see an inherent beauty in these many overlapping reliable astrological systems.
Along these lines, I tend to think of these things as convergences of probability. Having observed/defined some things (such as exact aspects or angular crossings) as 'significant,' we then see various things (various simultaneous aspects, or event signatures manifesting in several simultaneous predictive techniques) moving closer to or farther from these 'significant' moments. Within those definitions, "farther from" is mathematically more common, "closer to" is mathematically less common. When a statistically rare confluence occurs - i.e., when we reach a statistically unusual convergence of such conditions - we see rare or unusual consequences ("events").

I especially noticed this in my first year or two of working with Sidereal ingresses and tracking hundreds of major mundane events. With a very small tool kit, it wasn't that every applicable chart showed every event: It was that the entire set of charts reached a "best fit" point where the maximum concentration of factors was at a peak. Often this could be distinguished from the moment when any one factor was at its peak. All the predictive tactics that came forth from that were just ways of managing the chaos to maximize the chance of identifying points of peak aggregate statistical unusualness.

BTW, in the mundane astrology sense, tomorrow (July 16) appears to be one of those overlap points where multiple significant messages converge.
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Re: Eva Peron

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:49 am

One thing that bothers me a lot about Eva Peron's chart above is that it essentially NO significant connection to Juan Peron's chart. (None!) Aside from being astrologically inconceivable, it's almost mathematically impossible.

According to a birth record, Juan Peron was born October 7, 1895, 10:00 AM Cordoba Time, Lobo, Argentina. Because of the birth record in hand, it's considered AA data. However, there are several times from different sources PLUS his personal astrologer quoted one DAY different, October 8. However, none of these variants produce a chart that has angle or luminary connections to Evita's chart or even any close "personal planet" connections. I'm also highly suspicious that he could have had a Taurus Moon.

My first impression, therefore, is that despite the AA label, we don't really know when Juan Peron was born. One simple example: If his birthday were one day EARLIER instead of later - if it were October 6 - his Moon would be in Aries conjunct Evita's Sun-Mars. That makes a lot more sense. It's also the same argument I have for Putin: Is he really a Virgo-Taurus? I don't think so. But with a suspicion his birth information was altered, one day earlier makes him a Virgo-Aries with a very persuasive chart. The same thing is true of Peron.

I'm willing to let this go with regard to the question of Eva Peron's chart because I do think the issue lies with the reliability of Juan Peron's birth data.

The AA chart, does, however, have t Saturn exactly on his Descendant for his death. His 1945 SSR should have been enormously important (he was arrested, gained great power when his release was forced, married Evita within days, and basically marched toward power from that moment forth) and it COULD be read that way, but mostly it's confusing. (The best marker is SSR Moon square natal Jupiter 2°, which wouldn't be there if the day were wrong; it also conjoined his Saturn, though.)
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Re: Eva Peron

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:48 am

Finally, a few observations about the fine points of the chart. For those who attain to great power and rank, I like to look at the planetary dignities. Fagan especially leaned heavily, in his early years exploring the Sidereal zodiac, on great dignities and few indignities in the charts of significant monarchs and others in the same vein. I've found (from casual observation) that it's not that firm of a rule, although there is a fascinating tendency for it to be true in the most classically dignified monarchs.

In Evita's case there are strong dignities AND indignities, and even the indignities are interesting. First, she has both Sun (Aries) and Moon (Cancer) dignified. Most would regard Mars in Aries as a dignity (Fagan certainly would have in the '40s, '50s, and maybe forever). Uranus is at home in Aquarius. This is potentially fleshed out more by the sympathy some have for considering Pluto exalted in Gemini and Neptune in Cancer, leaving us no less than three clean dignities (including both luminaries), at least four by most counts, and potentially six.

Against that, despite having Sun exalted and Moon at home, her Jupiter (Gemini) and Saturn (Cancer) are both in detriment. It strikes me that despite her enormous personal appeal, she never personally attained actual rank or political power. (If that's not the correct way to put it, I think it's close.) Also, Mercury is in Pisces.

It's not that the Saturn is weak: It's partile conjunct Moon. (There is also a Hindu point of view that if planets A and B are in aspect, and A has dignity in B's sign position, it is good for the aspect. This makes good sense in terms of consistency of symbolism. It means that the Moon-Saturn conjunction in Cancer is especially good for Saturn, since it's Moon's sign, and poor for Moon because Moon is in Sturn's detriment.) Also, the Moon-Saturn closely trines Mercury, so Mercury has a strong expression (it's also widely foreground). But in terms of the essential dignities, we have Sun, Moon, Uranus, and probably Mars well placed and Saturn, Jupiter, and Mercury badly placed.

One could claim a mutual reception of Mercury in Pisces with Venus in Gemini - each in the other's signs, each affecting the other. Evita definitely had the blessings that accompany a Mercury-Venus aspect.

Even more interesting is that her Saturn was in the exact Fall degree of Mars. I don't know that I have learned all the important subtleties of these degrees. The Exaltation degrees are clear, they have the nature of the exalted planet in a quite concentrated way. The Fall degrees seem just as thematically connected to the planet but, in mundane astrology, they often have shown as the antithesis of the planet. For example, 28° Cancer (Mars' Fall) has often seemed justified to call the least martial degree of the zodiac, or especially to characterize with weakness. Evita had a Mars-Saturn square anyway, so there is a strong Mars-Saturn connection and theme (aside from the simple picture of having one luminary each in partile conjunction with Mars and Saturn); but ultimately this idea of weakness overcame her. (I'm not saying it's so, I'm saying it's interesting... and consistent with some things seen previously). Her death from uterine cancer (and various conditions around it including her initial refusal to have a hysterectomy to ward it off) seem tightly described by this partile Moon-Saturn conjunction in Cancer exactly at the Fall degree of Mars.

Uranus is her most elevated planet. I have another thread where I explored these (getting mixed results). In her case, I think it fits: Her presence in the public sphere (her personal elevation and outer community impact) was like a flash of lightning, stunning and yet passing surprisingly quickly. She electrified and clearly upset the general social establishment (and build strong resistance against her). Other, stronger features of her chart already show this, but it's worth noting on its own.

I've been watching mundane octiles, which have tended to fit (though not always as compellingly as the major hard mundane aspects). In Evita's chart, we have a 0°02' Mars-Pluto mundane octile. I think everyone will agree that Mars-Pluto fits her quite well (though Mars in Aries already gives us these features). Ditto (pro and con0 with Sun octile Pluto (mundo) 0°34'. The most important mundane aspects are that her exact Sun-Mars and Moon-Saturn conjunctions mundanely square each other, giving four new aspects that fit very well.

Besides her adult character, her early life is shown quite well by Moon's placement in Cancer exactly conjunct Saturn, closely square Mars and trine Mercury, partile octile Pluto, also square Sun mundanely. She grew up in harsh, toughening conditions with mother dominant but father not wholly absent. The fact that this falls in her 4th house makes all this even clearer, though one hardly needs that detail given the Moon and Cancer symbolism anyway.

Similarly, her Sun is enormously powerful, exalted in Aries, partile conjunct Mars and octile Pluto, closely square Moon and Saturn, moderately square Jupiter. The effect, the balance of all of these, is unmistakably political and powerful. Again, there is great toughness, ambition, pushing for what she wanted, aggressive achievement. That this Sun-Mars conjunction falls in her 1st house leads us to think this would be her primary self-presentation to the world, her image or roll or character (in the dramatic sense) that she adopted to portray (her inner image of herself), though we don't need the house placement to come to similar conclusions.

If this birth time if almost exactly right, she was born with Giedi (the brightest star in Capricorn) exactly on Midheaven and Alphecca (the brightest star in the Northern Crown) on Descendant. I have no trouble identifying her with the leaping goat in various ways, and through marriage she did attain a crown. (A comparison would be Princess Diana, who had Alphecca culminating: the star seems also connected with charitable works and quiet actions behind the scenes.)
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