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A Good Year-Angular Benefics

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 17, 2017 9:55 am

Mar 05, 2013 4:50 pm
Debbie wrote:This has been a good year for me. My SSR had Jupiter and Venus hugging my IC from both sides. My Moon and Sun were in partile square and the Moon was opposed Saturn waxing (middleground) so I received a partile hit via progression.
The Moon/Saturn hit came early with bad news about the health of someone dear to me. By January she had finished up chemo and radiation and is currently cancer free. A big win!

I have taken several trips, most of them for recreation. Even traveling to care for my sick friend was rewarding, creating a closer bond with my soon to be daughter-in-law.

SteveS had recommended that I take note of Jan. 8 as SSR and T Jupiter would be on the MC via SQ. My husband won $100 that day. Of more prominence, by being aware of this fortuitous time, I took steps to retrieve monies my elderly mother had lost via a poor financial advisor. Our joint account was credited with this money (a tidy sum) on Jan. 18, which makes me believe the actual decision to return this money was made near Jan. 8.

On March 2, as T Venus made a conjunction with my N Jupiter and T Jupiter squared N Jupiter, I won $2000 in a drawing. I suspect that having SSR Jupiter and Venus angular made this transit especially potent.

Being aware of this positive SSR, made me open to its good graces and I think this awareness was part of the blessing for lack of a better word.

Here is my dilemma, on Jan 9 my demi-solar kicked in with angular Saturn square Mars as the most prominent feature with progressed Pluto on MC. Yet since this time many aspects of my life keep getting better. Family and friends are a joy, my spiritual side is at peace and I took two wonderful trips. Essentially, this solar year (especially since the demi) has been one of the happiest times in many years.

How would you interpret this dire demi alongside a nice SSR? Also, next year I have T Mars and Neptune angular but N Jupiter is partile the MC. Would the Jupiter position be stronger than the transiting angulars?

I don’t have Solar Fire. My info is 7-11-1950 at 1:17 am in Newark, NJ, relocated currently to Lake City, Fl.

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 17, 2017 9:57 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:Welcome, Debbie. I only have a minute, so I'll cut straight to your main question:

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Debbie wrote:Thanks Jim,

You have a great forum and I have enjoyed reading posts from everyone but especially your interpretations.
Yes, there are some bumps but they much easier to hurdle than the mountains and molehills I'm used to. :)
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Debbie wrote:Thanks Jim,

You have a great forum and I have enjoyed reading posts from everyone but especially your interpretations.
Yes, there are some bumps but they much easier to hurdle than the mountains and molehills I'm used to. :)

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 17, 2017 9:59 am

SteveS wrote:Good to see you on this forum Debbie! Your questions to Jim will enrich all of our sidereal astrology learning. It seems when we were working together on another forum, I remember you posting an event pertaining to your husband when he caught fire involving an accident at home. I can’t remember all the chart details, but I do remember there was something involving the Vertex I wanted to ask Jim about. When you have time could you PM me or post your husband’s birth time and date of his accident for discussion.
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Debbie wrote:Hi Steve, it is good to be in touch again!
I sent you a pm on my husband's accident and I would like you to present this example of an outstanding incident as your analysis of this event and other examples made me a believer the predictive ability of SSR's.

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

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Debbie wrote:I think I found an explanation for my $2000 win on March 2. Below is a portion of my PSSR taken from Juan Revilla's Riyal program. Note that transit Venus is on AC, Radix Venus is on IC, Radix Jupiter is on AC and transit Mercury is on AC.

I think this is a good example of a lucky time.

1 Mar 13 F 28Ar23 12Sa47 3Pi47 6h44m Ven=252.8 aT Cha=252.7 iT
Teh=253.4 aS Teh=253.3 aT
2 Mar 13 S 28Ar25 13Sa53 5Pi24 6h45m Ven=253.7 aT Cha=254.1 iS
3 Mar 13 S 28Ar28 14Sa58 7Pi02 6h46m Ven=255.2 iR Ven=254.6 aT
Jup=255.1 aR
4 Mar 13 M 28Ar30 16Sa03 8Pi41 6h47m Mer=256.0 aT Chi=256.1 mR

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

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SteveS wrote:Debbie wrote:
I think this is a good example of a lucky time.
I totally agree Debbie—good work. Your SSR Venus Jupiter conjunction on the IC was the main theme for your solar year and when the PSSR brought all of the Venus & Jupiter symbolism to the PSSR angles—you had a very fortunate (lucky day). I have little experience with the PSSR’s but have seen many times in my life where the main benefic themes in a SSR brought to mean quotidian angles produced abnormal lucky/happy days. Back when Texas Hold –Em was legal online I did extensive research with my SSR Q angles with both transit and radix benefics on the angles and got outstanding results. Two times I entered tournaments with over 700 people and won one of the tournaments and reached the final table in the other tournament. As you know you have to be very lucky to place in the money in these type tournaments, and there were many times after the flop I was 80% to loose but the turn and river cards won me the hand. It has gotten where I have so much faith with certain quotidian days, I want enter a large tournament unless I have the benefics on the Q angles, but benefic action, first, needs to be symbolized in our SSR’s with either SSR’s benefics or Natal benefics on the Q angles---or both. If I had AA charts of all the professional Hold-Em players and the days they won large money tournaments, I would love to immerse myself in some research with these benefic quotidian days when an ‘out of ordinary’ day happened with a big win.

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 17, 2017 10:12 am

Debbie wrote:I used to have charts of pro poker players but no timed charts. I don't care how good you are, an element of luck must be there to win at hold-em at that level. I imagine with a natal angular Jupiter, your confidence in your Q angles gives you quite an advantage. I would not want to be playing you then. :lol: A couple of states have legalized on-line poker, I would love to play again with the knowledge you have shared with me.

I have never looked at PSSR before but when I came up dry looking for symbolism for the win I checked it.

We've planned a trip to Biloxi this month with friends while TJupiter is conjunct my NVenus. I don't think any angulars are involved but it seems like it will be a good time to gamble and enjoy myself. When I was younger the ACG line Biloxi is on was very stressful with my Mars/Neptune conjunction and Uranus all angular. This solar year it has been a fun, exciting place to travel to. Go figure.

I remember reading somewhere that you should imprint the good feelings you get from positive transits in your memory because these are who you really are. I hope I can remain in my current hopeful, positive mindset after this good year has passed. Oh crap, I've got angular Neptune and Mars next year, this is going to be a challenge. ;)

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 17, 2017 10:13 am

SteveS wrote:Debbie wrote:
I don't care how good you are, an element of luck must be there to win at hold-em at that level.
Exactly! This is one of the main reasons I would love to be able to test angular Jupiter with SSR’s and their Quotidian progressions with the professional poker players. To win such a big money tournament on one particular Day would be very interesting from a Quotidian standpoint.
I have never looked at PSSR before but when I came up dry looking for symbolism for the win I checked it.
Fagan used the PSSR but I have never read where he said which type of Quotidian he favoured. A once colleague of Jim, Matthew Quellas, told me he got the most results with the Q’s verses the PSSR, but your work here with your win proves the PSSR does not need be overlooked.
We've planned a trip to Biloxi this month with friends while TJupiter is conjunct my NVenus. I don't think any angulars are involved but it seems like it will be a good time to gamble and enjoy myself.
This will duplicate the same symbolism in your current SSR with Venus-Jupiter angular—will be interesting to see if this produces a winning session. Is this transit a partile transit? Many years ago I went to a Casino with T Jupiter partile conjunct my Natal Moon and hit the jackpot playing Video Poker. The next day I called a friend who was working in Vegas with a similar N Moon position and told him to gamble some and he hit a slot jackpot. These partile conjunct transits of Jupiter only happen once every 12 years so we gamblers should take advantage.
Oh crap, I've got angular Neptune and Mars next year, this is going to be a challenge.
Yep, a tough combination for gambling unless Jupiter somewhere overrides. What goes up has to come down-- so you definitely don’t want to “chase” any possible winning sessions during a loosing session—cut your losses short. I have a partile Mercury-Jupiter-Neptune aspect with my upcoming SSR which can be conducive for making quick fast money, ‘gain without effort pertaining to a successful speculation’, as long as you have a good game plan. I have a good SLR next spring with Pluto involved with Jupiter & Venus, if certain things fall into place in the markets I think I will venture a speculation. Will try to post this as a test if things fall into place.

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

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Jim Eshelman wrote:
SteveS wrote: Fagan used the PSSR but I have never read where he said which type of Quotidian he favoured. A once colleague of Jim, Matthew Quellas, told me he got the most results with the Q’s verses the PSSR, but your work here with your win proves the PSSR does not need be overlooked.
Steve, remember the daily Quotidian Anecdotes I was posting for a few months? At the end, here were the accuracy scores (average of individual scores) of the respective methods:

SNQ2: Average score: 95%
SNQ1: Average score: 84%
PSSR: Average score: 98%
SQ: Average score: 89%

I ignore the PSSR only because there isn't a way to do it in Solar Fire, and my own Excel spreadsheet, though making it LOTS easier, still is a bit of a pain.

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

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SteveS wrote:Jim wrote:
Steve, remember the daily Quotidian Anecdotes I was posting for a few months? At the end, here were the accuracy scores (average of individual scores) of the respective methods:
SNQ2: Average score: 95%
SNQ1: Average score: 84%
PSSR: Average score: 98%
SQ: Average score: 89%
Jim, I had forgotten this.
I ignore the PSSR only because there isn't a way to do it in Solar Fire, and my own Excel spreadsheet, though making it LOTS easier, still is a bit of a pain.
Yes, I understand and the same applies for me. Off hand, do you know anyone who you would trust for accuracy to possibly write us a special program for easily seeing/computing the PSSR’s? The only other way that I see which could improve upon Solarfire for us Siderealist's would be an option for generating certain lists for indentifying Mundo hits, its good we at least have the mundoscope. Out of curiosity, what would be on your wish list for improving SF from a sideralist standpoint?

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SteveS wrote:Jim wrote:
Steve, remember the daily Quotidian Anecdotes I was posting for a few months? At the end, here were the accuracy scores (average of individual scores) of the respective methods:
SNQ2: Average score: 95%
SNQ1: Average score: 84%
PSSR: Average score: 98%
SQ: Average score: 89%
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Jim, I had forgotten this.
I ignore the PSSR only because there isn't a way to do it in Solar Fire, and my own Excel spreadsheet, though making it LOTS easier, still is a bit of a pain.
Yes, I understand and the same applies for me. Off hand, do you know anyone who you would trust for accuracy to possibly write us a special program for easily seeing/computing the PSSR’s? The only other way that I see which could improve upon Solarfire for us Siderealist's would be an option for generating certain lists for indentifying Mundo hits, its good we at least have the mundoscope. Out of curiosity, what would be on your wish list for improving SF from a sideralist standpoint?

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 17, 2017 10:15 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:I'd like to see SF to incorporate the PSSR, yes (and, in the meantime, take out the option erroneously called PSSR, which appears to be a mean rate Wynn Cycle).

I can understand why the PSSR would be complicated for them to implement. it has two problems to solve, hardly beyond computer capability but distinctly more complicated than any they have solved. First, they need to allow an Apparent Rate time increment - unlike the SQ or SNQ, the PSSR increases at the apparent solar rate. Second, they need to do a loop of taking the date in question, internally calculating the next SSR to extract one datum, etc.

And that's just to calculate a single chart for a single point in time. I'd be thrilled to have just that. It's much more complicated (for this particular problem, compared to linear rate methods like the SNQ) to provide an event table.

BTW, I don't think the mundane calculation side is necessary. (That's my current, evolving, subject to change on no notice opinion.) In the few months' quotidian study, I was surprised to find nearly every piece of evidence suggesting that ecliptical contact with the angles was the timing factor, not mundane. (I actually hope I'm wrong about this, but I'm calling it as I presently see it.) Watching day by day, for planets that had significant differences between their mundane and ecliptical crossings, I'd note whether the best corresponding event, day-tone, etc. happened mundo or eclipto. Close to 100% of the time, the better fit was the ecliptical crossing.

If this is true, it is a fact almost unique to quotidians. It clearly isn't the way things work in return charts or natal charts. It IS how I'm used to seeing transits to natal angles work, so quotidian angles may be of the same specie as natal angles somehow. (That is, they are receiving transits, as points, not currently showing, at a fixed point in time, a planet's proximity to the horizon or meridian.) (I said that badly, I hope you can understand what I mean; and, in any case, I'm just thinking aloud,.)

I will, of course, keep watching this.

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

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DDonovanKinsolving wrote:
SteveS wrote:Out of curiosity, what would be on your wish list for improving SF from a sideralist standpoint?
I wonder whether we can bring our concerns to the Solar Fire team, along the lines of creating a pure Sidereal module.

It's been a while since I've looked at Riyal. It's in dire need of a GUI.

The Kepler program has been mentioned on this forum before. Does anybody have a complete list of its Sidereal-only features?

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Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 17, 2017 10:18 am

SteveS wrote:Jim, if you see a pratical/efficent way for me to help with an accurate PSSR program or a possible add on with SF user files, I will be glad to fund this project with your guidance/mind. BTW, my own work with quotidian angles ditto’s your impressions about the eclipto hits being the active ones verses the mundo hits.
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SteveS wrote:Jim, if you see a pratical/efficent way for me to help with an accurate PSSR program or a possible add on with SF user files, I will be glad to fund this project with your guidance/mind.
Thank you. The basic thing would be for someone to take these ideas to the SF team and see what it would take to get it done.
BTW, my own work with quotidian angles ditto’s your impressions about the eclipto hits being the active ones verses the mundo hits.
Interesting...
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Freya wrote:The Sirius team is doing them. Hopefully it will be done by May. I will post a PSSR when it is done

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 17, 2017 10:19 am

DDonovanKinsolving wrote:
Venus_Daily wrote:I hope I don't get my head bitten of for this, but, I thought SQ, SNQ1, SNQ2 were just like secondary progressions only newer due to the current SSR cycle. How can they be of any predictive value unless there are transiting planets on the angle?
I hope I don't get my head bitten of for this one, I'm just curious and still a little confused.
Ha, ha! It's not nice to bite off the head of a sincere questioner!

It is easy to get a little confused when you're hit with a bunch of acronyms, so let me pull them apart for you:

SQ: Solar Quotidian. This is, indeed, the secondary progression of the current Solar Return.

SNQ1: Sidereal Natal Quotidian #1: This progresses the natal chart, equating one year of real time to one Sidereal Day of progressed time.

SNQ2: Sidereal Natal Quotidian #2: This also progresses the natal chart, by equating one year of real time to one Civil Day of progressed time.

So, you see, the two SNQ methods are not progressions of the SSR at all. They are variants of natal secondary progressions.

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

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SteveS wrote:Freya wrote:
The Sirius team is doing them (PSSR’s). Hopefully it will be done by May. I will post a PSSR when it is done.
This is good. Ask Jim to test the accuracy when you post a PSSR with Sirius software. If it is not too much trouble, would you ask the Sirius Team if charts files from Solarfire can be transferred to Sirius chart files? Thanks Freya for your input.

Jim wrote:
Thank you. The basic thing would be for someone to take these ideas to the SF team and see what it would take to get it done.
In the past I have tried to talk business with the SF team and it was a bitch, probably because of my inadequate mathematical/astronomical communication skills/knowledge. I will await and see if Freya’s post pertaining to the Sirius Team produces an adequate PSSR function, if so, this will be my most cost effective way to do more individual investigated work with PSSR’s.

Venus asked:
How can they (quotidians) be of any predictive value unless there are transiting planets on the angle?
It has been my experience quotidian progressed angles (particularly the Q MC), at certain times, will predict main events to the Day of the quotidian, depending on certain aspect/angular structures with the SSR itself. For more clarity, I will quote what Jim says from his book ISR:
The PSSR and Solar Quotidian provides a set of daily angles. When planets come within 1 degree (on rare occasions, up to 2 degrees) of the PSSR or SQ angles they (can) dominate the day. These can be natal, solar, progressed solar or transiting planets.
So you can see with Jim's above quote we are talking about other planets besides just transiting planets. It has been my experience that partile aspects and/or angular planets within a SSR, coming to the Q daily angles (particular the Q MC), at times, has the potential to manifests the partile aspects that may be contained in a SSR. I like to use Quotidians to elect certain days for me to conduct certain activities for experimental purposes, endeavouring to experience the possible full potential of a benefic manifestation. By no means am I saying you may experience a full benefic experience all the time with Q angles, but at times these benefic Q angle effects are magical, IMO.

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 17, 2017 10:20 am

rudy wrote:
Freya wrote:The Sirius team is doing them. Hopefully it will be done by May. I will post a PSSR when it is done
Considering the cost of the Sirius software, think I'll have to stick with the horse and buggy method! ;)

Seriously, in addition to the somewhat cumbersome data entry method involved with Riyal, the excellent Janus 4.3 program has had the ability to make correct PSSR calculations with a few mouse clicks since it was upgraded a couple of years ago. I have not taken the time to learn if it can calculate, say, a year-long hit list for angular contacts (I suspect it won't) but it is so convenient to have an actual daily chart staring you in the face that you notice configurations that would otherwise not show up in a list unless they were programmed in (I'm referring to squares to angles, along with major aspects to sensitive points like the vertex and east point). You also have the option to show the PSSR planets properly progressed or to have them remain static with their SSR positions. When the program was first upgraded I spent a couple of weeks testing it's results against Jim's Excel PSSR calculator (thanks, Jim!) to see how it measured up. Here is a sample result:

Excel PSSR:
MC= 23Vi38
Venus= 23Vi47
Mercury= 23Vi53
ASC= 03Sag55
Pluto= 03Sag38
PSSR Moon= 20Aq31

Janus 4.3 PSSR:
MC= 23Vi40
Venus= 23Vi46
Mercury= 23Vi53
ASC= 03Sag57
Pluto= 03Sag38
PSSR Moon= 20Aq31


In none of my comparisons did the angular longitudes ever exceed 5' of arc difference between the two systems, and any differences between planetary longitudes were due to rounding. As we used to say, that's close enough for government work! :D To fill in the background, this is a PSSR for an old girlfriend on the day and time I bumped into her as she was about to enter a nail salon at the mall, resulting in a very pleasant conversation, shown by Mercury + Venus + Pluto (hadn't seen her in years). To my further astonishment, her SQ for the event had 23Vi39 rising, straddled by Venus at 23Vi29 and Mercury at 23Vi42! Pluto was absent from the angle in the SQ. And I can't forget Cyril Fagan's observation about the association between Virgo's dexterity "with fingers and toes", nor his statement that the very glyph for that constellation reminded him of a row of fingers or toes!

I have not done a comparison since then, but it might be worth trying. Anecdotally, I can attest that the planetary symbolism is still accurate for the daily angles.

I don't have any business relationship with the Janus people other than as a customer (they're located in New Zealand, for crying out loud), but IMHO this software is the best bargain around. It has so many capabilities, and can be had for as little as $135. You can even try the full-featured trial version at no cost for thirty days.

As an aside to Jim E., you recall, as a former ACS employee and associate of Neil Michelsen, that ACS used to offer year-long PSSR and SQ hit lists in their sidereal calculations package. I note that the current owners do not, but why wouldn't the programs still be there somewhere, just languishing? Do you have any contact/influence with them? Heck, the last time I ordered those lists from ACS was in 1996, and they were like three bucks apiece, a steal by any measure!
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Jim Eshelman wrote:The program is $150, though. :( Quite a lot for PSSRs.

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 17, 2017 10:21 am

SteveS wrote:Thanks Rudy for your impute and example quotidian. Rudy’s example exemplifies my own observations about partile aspects in the SSR manifesting incidents when the partile aspects are timed to the Q MC. Also, with SSR Pluto partile conjunct the PSSR ASC, this reminded me of Bradley’s words about Pluto angular:
Pluto’s also is prominent with regard to inexplicable phenomena, such as “accidentally” running across an old friend miles away from the scene of your previous acquaintanceship. Such “fateful” happenings (they are more frequent in a lifetime than pure chance would allow) seen always to take place under prominent Plutonian influences.
Your old girlfriend’s PSSR angles nailed the acute planetary symbolism timed to the Day of the incident—amazing/magical.

Jim wrote:
The program is $150, though.
Jim does this program for quotidians offer lists with natal, solar, progressed solar and transiting planets?

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 17, 2017 10:22 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
SteveS wrote:
The program is $150, though.
Jim does this program for quotidians offer lists with natal, solar, progressed solar and transiting planets?
I don't know. I don't think I've ever heard of it until this post, so I don't know anything about it.

But you can get what you describe from Solar Fire easily so, still, I'd be getting the other program only for the PSSR capability - which is too much to spend for that one function.

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Re: A Good Year-Angular Benefics

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 17, 2017 10:27 am

Freya wrote:
rudy wrote:
Freya wrote:The Sirius team is doing them. Hopefully it will be done by May. I will post a PSSR when it is done
Considering the cost of the Sirius software, think I'll have to stick with the horse and buggy method! ;)
since I am going to be doing this for my entire life, I'd rather pay for something that works ;)

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