Aside from angularity does house placements play a role in solunar returns"

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Aside from angularity does house placements play a role in solunar returns"

Post by coolcoolwcr » Wed May 31, 2017 4:04 am

For example. If in a solunar return many planets fall in 9th house , can I predict this year/month travel or higher learning theme will be predominant"

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Re: Aside from angularity does house placements play a role in solunar returns"

Post by coolcoolwcr » Wed May 31, 2017 4:08 am

In solunar handbook fagan mentioned that a woman giving birth to her children has Venus and Jupiter conjunct in her ssr 5th house. But aside from that fagan didn't mention any more house placement in solunar return. Fagan's view on house placement in solunars seems to be ambiguous.

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Re: Aside from angularity does house placements play a role in solunar returns"

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 31, 2017 8:49 am

Everybody's view on house placement is kind of ambigious, partly because of the very real unanswered question "what's a house system?" And "does it have to work at every latitude?" cause of course, most of them don't work at high latitudes.

On this board, most of us try to stick to using things that have been observed to be useful, and when we don't we're pretty clear about it being speculation (like the PRN thread, which may or may not be a useful new method of progression.

Jim has a section here for houses with stickied posts about his latest thinking, but of course that's natal astrology. There's a lot of discussion in Arena's threads about house systems who was born at very high latitude, and has good reason to find that interesting. Most of the discussion is about finding a house system that works, more than asking if there's anything to any of them.

Fagan used the "octoscope" which is an 8 fold division based on time for awhile, but I think he moved past that later in life. But you can search for octoscope here and find what we have on that.

Angularity matters a great deal. House placement under any system seems to be something that's nice but not critical to interpretation, so until somebody has the time and knowledge to actually study the question with statistics, most of us skip it most of the time.

That doesn't help does it.

Edited to add: Be careful about house interpretations taken from horary astrology. Fagan was pretty clear about his opinion on that, including it with "thingish" thought.

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Re: Aside from angularity does house placements play a role in solunar returns"

Post by coolcoolwcr » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:40 am

i don't doubt the importance of angularity in solunars. And I am quite comfortable with companus house system because it explains my life pattern accurately. I think there is really a very simple way to determine which house system is correct, which I will post on house section later.

In trump's 2016 solar return he has sun and Venus conjunct in 11th house sextile Uranus in 9th house. I think this configuration explains pretty well his sudden rise of popularity that year. After all 11th house is a social house and trump won a large number of follower at that time. And 9th house Uranus indicates his out-of-ordinary philosophy of managing the country, helping 11th house planets win him recognition.

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Re: Aside from angularity does house placements play a role in solunar returns"

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:08 am

Or, more simply, his rise in popularity was from Solar Return Moon exactly conj8unct natal Jupiter; and his birth chart has enough Uranus all on its own.

The main characteristic of 11th and 9th house placements in Solar Returns is that the planets are generally quite weak and inexpressive.
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