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JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:31 pm

Never too early to plan for next year, eh? This year, the SSR for LA isn't so bad, and I don't mind the moderate Moon-Puto square - but we could maybe stand to back it down just a little and play up benefics a bit more. The best spot at the moment seems to be a little east of Chula Vista (the last town before the Mexican border, just below San Diego). Though some obscure cross-roads likely can be found that is better, here is what my Oct 10, 2022 SSR looks like for Engineer Springs, CA (from Solar Fire):

19°00' Sag - SSR Asc
19°20' Vir - SSR Venus

1°04 Cap - SSR Pluto
3°20' Can - r Uranus
3°37' Can - r Jupiter

3°37' Cap - SSR EP
4°40' Ari - SSR Moon [3°37' from IC]
7°57' Cap - SSR MC

Natal Mars and Neptune are barely foreground, which is mostly important because it admits t Pluto sq. r Neptune 0°16' to the picture. Of greater interest is that Pluto's opposition to natal Jupiter-Uranus is quite close mundanely (and, of course, SSR Moon's square to natal Jupiter-Uranus is quite close, but separating so that it won't progress to them). From mundoscope from TMSA, which gives the same time within half a minute:

11°04' 1H - t Pluto
11°22' 7H - r Jupiter
11°26' 7H - r Uranus

Pluto to Jupiter-Uranus could go a couple of different ways. I think putting Jupiter to the minute on the angle tips the scales, and having three benefics exactly foreground will set the tone.
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by SteveS » Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:15 pm

Jim wrote:
Pluto to Jupiter-Uranus could go a couple of different ways.
Got to be good!

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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:34 pm

Like a flash flood?

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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:53 am

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:34 pm
Like a flash flood?
:lol: They've been known to happen in that part of the desert.
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:58 pm

With better timing of the SSR from TMSA, and shaving the angle orbs as small as possible, I can get natal Jupiter on WP-a 0°00' and transiting Venus on Zenith 0°00' at 32N07 116W52. (SSR at 1:33:01 PM PDT 10/10/22.)

Unfortunately, this is in Mexico. We both need to get our passports renewed (and that's a pain with the current hoops to jump through, but we should do it anyway). The closest location seems to be La Fonda on the coast (the ideal spot is inland) at 32N07'13'', 116W53'05''). Here is the TMSA report for that location. Not sure if we can do it, but it doesn't hurt to pin it down. (I will at least pick a spot at the 116W52 longitude, I think.)

[REMOVED to simplify the thread]

This is only 176 miles south of LA - not much further than San Diego - a little over three hours not counting getting through the border. We should at least consider it. Otherwise, a spot 0°06' west of Engineer Springs puts Jupiter precisely angular and Venus close. (It's hard finding a space just a littler west of there, because it's cutting into protected wilderness areas.)

Going north doesn't screw with the Ascendant longitude too much: The tiny burg of Jamul, California (32N43'01" 116W52'34" has natal Jupiter 0°01' from WP-a and transiting Venus 0°23' from Zenith.
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:38 am

It looks like we're heading or Engineer Springs (or, Jamul) - we won't be going to Mexico (driving in Mexico has special issues).

We'll also be doing some complicated travelling all month. I'm taking off work the week of my birthday and we'll head to San Diego area (centering on Engineer Springs) at least for a couple of days - maybe catch the Wild Animal Park for a day, maybe cut up through the Anza Borrego. Then I go back to work for a week to prepare for the arrival of our fall group of new associates, but will take a day to drive to Arizona to get a better Demi-SLR setup (in LA it is exact Moon-Mars-Neptune on angles! - But I found a town east of Phoenix that shifts it to transiting Jupiter 0°00' from Dsc,

Then back to work for the Monday after (as the associates arrive), then Monday afternoon we board a plane to Memphis (Marion found tickets so cheap they were nearly free) for most of a week.

So, making a big deal of jumping through hoops to go to Mexico for my birthday isn't in the cards. The expected SSR for Engineer Springs or Jamul will have three exactly angular benefic plus great Moon aspects (and some interesting Pluto aspects).
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:08 pm

I expect my SSR will set up in Jamul, CA. If that changes, I'll come back and change it. SSR Moon 4°40' Aries travels 13°13' during the year, reaching 17°53' Aries by the end of the year: It will oppose natal Saturn around July and oppose natal Mercury immediately before the next SSR.

t Venus on Z -0°23'
r Jupiter on WP-a -0°01'
------------------------
r Uranus on WP-a +0°12'

t Moon on IC +3°39'
t Pluto on EP-a +2°14'
r Neptune on MC +7°31'


r Jupiter-Uranus co 0°04' M
t Pluto sq r Neptune 0°17'
t Pluto op r Jupiter 0°18' M
t Pluto op r Uranus 0°22' M

t Moon sq r Jupiter 1°03'
t Pluto co r Mars 1°07' M
t Moon sq r Uranus 1°20'
r Uranus-Neptune sq 2°00'
r Jupiter-Neptune 2°16'


Other Partile (Non-Foreground) Aspects
r Mars-Saturn sq 0°18' M (m-m)
t Mars-Neptune sq 0°22' (b-b)
-- t Mars sq r Moon 0°34' (b-b)
-- t Neptune co r Moon 0°56' (b-b)

t Venus-Mars sq 0°29' M (f-b)
t Saturn-Uranus sq 0°40' (m-m)
r Mercury-Uranus sq 0°43' (m-f)
-- r Mercury-Jupiter sq 0°47' (m-f)
t Pluto sq r Saturn 0°49' M (f-m)
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:30 pm

Here's a trick. (Maybe you've thought of it.) Even with all this fancy formatting, sometimes the amount of data about a return is so much that you feel you might miss the real message.

In that case - to focus in more sharply - in TMSA click the Temporary button under Options (when you are calculating the return) and remove the Class 3 angularities. (Just delete the numbers.) This will drop out angularities and aspects for planets that are in the wider part of the foreground - to get closer to the essence of the chart. (If there are still too many, drop out Class 2 orbs; but that will usually be too extreme, unless there is an enormous amount of angular activity.) Here is how the above chart looks with Class 3 foreground dropped out:

t Venus on Z -0°23'
r Jupiter on WP-a -0°01'
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r Uranus on WP-a +0°12'

t Moon on IC +3°39'

r Jupiter-Uranus co 0°04' M
t Moon sq r Jupiter 1°03'
t Moon sq r Uranus 1°20'

In this case, cutting it down to Class 1 angularities only would produce exactly the same result except that transiting Moon wouldn't be foreground (but its aspects would still be important).
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:43 pm

I'm going to do an experiment this year: We often say something like, "Oh, SSR Moon squares natal Jupiter-Uranus but it's already past the exact aspect. It won't progress to it during the year."

Ah, but what about converse progressions? Our predecessors voiced their confidence in them. Does the SSR perhaps progress backwards in time as well as forward?

This year, my SSR Moon at 4°40' is just past square to my natal Jupiter (3°37' Cancer) and Uranus (3°20' Cancer) - which are even stronger because they will be mere minutes from an angle for the year. Will the converse SQ Moon make effective aspects to them?

cSQ Moon squares natal Jupiter exactly on November 8 (I hope that's more than the elections going my way, but I'm willing to accept that anyway <g>) and natal Uranus on November 18. If those give decisive events of the right nature, I'll calculate the hits of natal Neptune and Mars later in the year. (OK, I('ll do it now: Opposite natal Neptune January 10, square natal Mars March 17.)
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:35 pm

I just learned that Jamul, CA is the site of the Jamul Casino, formerly known as the Hollywood Casino. The casino is located at 32N42'17" 116W52'07", just far enough from Jamul's center that... the Jupiter angularity orb goes to 0°00'! Here are the angularities for the casino:

Scant difference, but we were looking for a place to have dinner that night anyway without going into San Diego. Once there, I'm not sure what I'd play (today's video-game style "slots" bore me brainless - not at all like the exciting one-armed bandits of the 1970s).
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:43 pm

The last year I had transiting Venus and natal Jupiter-Uranus closely angular in my SSR was 1968. I'd bought my first astrology magazine a month earlier, so this was the year I first seriously dived into astrology. For Class 1 angularity, it had transiting Moon, Mercury, and Venus, plus natal Venus, Jupiter, and Uranus. What a wonderful chart! I obviously had great fun and mental excitement diving into my new interest that year. - Solar Moon also aspected both solar and natal Venus, solar Neptune, and natal Pluto.

On three prior years, SSR Moon closely aspected natal Jupiter-Uranus. These were 1963 (a terrible year), 1980 (covering the year I went to work for Neil Michelsen), and 1982 (under which I left San Diego and returned to LA). Each of these came with a quite different mix of other Moon apects.
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:14 pm

I don't think signs are important in Solunars. If they were, then the SSR Moon sign would be our best example. It's an attractive idea but I don't think we can justify it.

The year I'm concluding has Moon in Scorpio, as did the SSRs of 1964, 1983, 2002, and 2010. While one can always find something to match a symbol, I really don't think that this year overall can be described as distinctly Scorpionic. Nor do I see commonalities in the other years listed, either simply among the years or for each one matching Scorpio in its own way. (If I find two years that seem to have something clear in common, it then doesn't extend to the other years).

My incoming SSR will have Moon in Aries. Earlier SSRs with this Moon sign included 1957, 1976, 1995, 2003, and 2014. Excluding the very early 1957, the other years were all prolific with extremely original writing, usually published at the same time or soon after. It doesn't feel very arietian to me, though, except there was a definite industriousness.

We'll see what the new year feels like once it is underway.
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:04 am

My 1968 SSR:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Ve 22Li 0'45"  0S23 + 1°13' 223°44' 17S 5 247°44' - 0°43' 179°13' 100% D 
Mo  2Ta 4'51"  3N51 +11°57'  53° 6' 23N 5  57°18' - 1°19'   1°34'  99% A 
Me  4Li13'24"  3S 0 -50'41" 205°24' 13S46 261°58' -11°50' 168° 3'  99% W
Ne  0Sc33'31"  1N40 + 1'52" 232°56' 17S22 241°22' + 5°21' 186° 5'  90% D 
Sa 28Pi12'30"  2S47 - 4'44"  21°52'  6N11  90° 9' + 9°36' 350°24'  77% A 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Radical Planets                             
Ve  1Sc52'48"  5S48 +29'45" 232°22' 24S56 236°30' - 0°29' 179°25' 100% D 
Ur  3Cn19'58"  0N30 + 1'17" 119°49' 21N 8 359°23' -27°48'  91°10' 100% I 
Ju  3Cn36'46"  0N 9 + 6'44" 120° 2' 20N44 359° 9' -28°12'  91°36'  99% I 
Sa 14Li56'37"  2N10 + 6'50" 217°33' 12S32 255° 8' - 2° 3' 177°52'  99% D 
Ne  1Li20'24"  1N39 + 2'13" 204°23'  8S22 266°49' - 9° 8' 170°51'  99% W
Me 17Li21' 3"  3S10 +44'52" 218°11' 18S21 250°22' - 5°29' 174°11'  91% D 
Ma 28Sg55'21"  2S50 +36'43" 295°35' 24S14 183°39' +24°37' 262° 5'  84% M 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Class 1 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects                          
tMo op tVe  2°21' 89% M tMe co tPl  0°38' 99% M                         
tMo op tNe  1°31' 95%   tJu co tPl  0°33' 99%                           
tMe op tSa  2°21' 89% M  ----------------------                         
tMe op tSa  2°21' 89% M tMa op rMo  0°40' 99% M                         
----------------------  
tMo op rVe  0°12'100%   
tMo sq rJu  0° 2'100% M 
tMo sq rUr  0°23'100% M                                                 
tMo sq rPl  0° 1'100%                                                   
tMe sq rJu  0°37' 99%                                                   
tMe sq rUr  0°53' 98%                                                   
tMe co rNe  2°48' 85% M                                                 
tVe co rVe  0°12'100% M                                                 
tVe sq rJu  2°23' 89% M                                                 
tVe co rSa  1°21' 96% M                                                 
tVe sq rUr  1°57' 93% M                                                 
tSa sq rMa  0°43' 99%                                                   
tSa op rNe  0°27'100% M                                                 
tNe co rVe  1°19' 97%                                                   
----------------------                                                  
rMe sq rMa  2° 6' 91% M                                                 
rMe co rSa  2°24' 89%                                                   
rVe co rSa  1°33' 95% M                                                 
rMa sq rNe  1°14' 97% M                                                 
rJu co rUr  0°17'100%                                                   
rJu sq rNe  2°16' 90%                                                   
rUr sq rNe  2° 0' 92%
Trimming back to only Class 1 angularities, the stunningly positive character becomes even more obvious. (Check out those Moon aspects!)

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Ve 22Li 0'45"  0S23 + 1°13' 223°44' 17S 5 247°44' - 0°43' 179°13' 100% D 
Mo  2Ta 4'51"  3N51 +11°57'  53° 6' 23N 5  57°18' - 1°19'   1°34'  99% A 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Radical Planets                             
Ve  1Sc52'48"  5S48 +29'45" 232°22' 24S56 236°30' - 0°29' 179°25' 100% D 
Ur  3Cn19'58"  0N30 + 1'17" 119°49' 21N 8 359°23' -27°48'  91°10' 100% I 
Ju  3Cn36'46"  0N 9 + 6'44" 120° 2' 20N44 359° 9' -28°12'  91°36'  99% I 
Sa 14Li56'37"  2N10 + 6'50" 217°33' 12S32 255° 8' - 2° 3' 177°52'  99% D 
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    Class 1 Aspects    
tMo op tVe  2°21' 89% M                                                 
tMo op tNe  1°31' 95%                                                   
----------------------                                                  
tMo op rVe  0°12'100%                                                   
tMo sq rJu  0° 2'100% M                                                 
tMo sq rUr  0°23'100% M                                                 
tMo sq rPl  0° 1'100%                                                   
tVe co rVe  0°12'100% M                                                 
tVe sq rJu  2°23' 89% M                                                 
tVe co rSa  1°21' 96% M                                                 
tVe sq rUr  1°57' 93% M                                                 
----------------------                                                  
rVe co rSa  1°33' 95% M                                                 
rJu co rUr  0°17'100%
The 1969 SSR - the year it all broke through big - had almost nothing foreground transiting, but did have natal Jupiter-Uranus 100% angularity, natal Mercury 99%. What really jumps out at me, though, is:

5°50' Vir - s Mercury (coj Moon +2°55')
8°45' Vir - s Moon
10°53' Vir - s Uranus (conj Moon -2°08')

No Mercury-Uranus per se - but Moon to both Mercury and Uranus. Mo = Me/Ur was 0°24'.
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:35 pm

Sitting having lunch as the year rolls over at 1:33:01 PM PDT: 32N42'11", 116W52'12". All the angularities appear to be the same to the minute as last estimated (including natal Jupiter 00'). Here is the final chart:

t Venus on Z -0°22'
r Uranus on WP-a -0°15'
----------------------- r Jupiter on WP-a 0°00'

t Moon on IC +3°39'
r Neptune on MC +7°31'
t Pluto on EP-a +2°15'


t Moon sq r Jupiter 1°03'
t Moon sq r Uranus 1°20'
(Probably relevant: t Moon-Pluto sq. 0°29' in RA)

r Jupiter-Uranus co 0°04' M
t Pluto op r Jupiter 0°18' M
t Pluto sq r Neptune 0°17'
t Pluto op r Uranus 0°22' M

r Uranus-Neptune sq 2°00'
r Jupiter-Neptune sq 2°16'


Other Partile Aspects
r Mars-Saturn sq 0°16' M
t Mars-Neptune sq 0°22'
t Venus-Mars sq 0°28' M
t Mars sq r Moon 0°34'
t Saturn-Uranus sq 0°40'
r Mercury--Uranus sq 043 M
r Mercury-Juiter sq 0°46'
t Pluto sq r Saturn 0°49' M
t Neptune co r Moon 0°56'



If I drop out Class 3 angularities, the chart simplifies to this:

t Venus on Z -0°22'
r Uranus on WP-a -0°15'
----------------------- r Jupiter on WP-a 0°00'

t Moon on IC +3°39'

r Jupiter-Uranus co 0°04' M
t Moon sq r Jupiter 1°03'
t Moon sq r Uranus 1°20'
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:42 pm

I have a couple of experimental things this next week - developments of my SSR - that have just enough in common that it makes it difficult (impossible?) to distinguish one from the other. I suppose they'd both have to fail to get a clear answer.

First, I haven't carefully watched Anlunars in a few years and decided this year to look at least at the strongest ones. My SSR has a Mercury-Jupiter opposition (4°47' Virgo to 6°48' Pisces) in the immediate background. Tomorrow evening, I have an Anlunar with MC 3°52' Pisces, Jupiter 4°13', bringing the aspect right to the angles with transiting Jupiter opposite solar Mercury 0°34'. One would expect an appropriate development. - SSR Venus is also 0°11' from Nadir.

When I've looked in the past, Anlunars were always the weakest of the Fagan-originated lunar return variations, though I still consider their main value is probably in identifying when during the year various SSR patterns are most strongly expressed. We'll see how this goes this week.

The other experimental factor is converse SQ Moon exactly squares natal Jupiter Tuesday. We've never paid attention to these - usually thought of them as "Moon is past the aspect at the SSR," but I have several of these "just past" aspects this year - all foreground in the SSR, at that - so decided to watch them. Will appropriate natal Jupiter phenomena appear centered on Tuesday? If so, will I be able to distinguish this from the Anlunar patterns?

I've had a lot of Jupiter involving progressions lately. Transiting Jupiter opposite progressed Moon during my vacation week, peaking the day the aspect was exact and starting to fall off (with the sense of "the vacation is nearing its end") the next day, but still coasting to a nice finish. By the time I got home, and through this last week, it was clearly gone. Now I move into the closing minutes of arc of a possible converse SQ aspect - it will be interesting to see if the new aspect shows off.

Recent p SL aspects have been half and half. pSL Moon conjunct natal Uranus October 25 could be seen as starting a week of travel: That day we zoomed across Arizona for a two-day road trip before being home a day and a half and then heading to Memphis. (The week before wasn't Moon-Uranus in any sense, but the week after could be interpreted as that way as a delightful trip.) However, the pSL Moon conjunct natal Jupiter November 2 or 3 was in the middle of the week where Moon-Jupiter and clearly dropped off - emphatically gone. I'd rank one (Mo-Ur) a seeming hit, one (Mo-Ju) a seeming miss.

I'm looking forward to whether the converse SQ aspect rings the bell.

Then, following Danica's recent suggestion, I notice that on Wednesday SQ Moon = s Jupiter/Sedna. Will this produce anything decisive within a day or two of it? Again, these aspects are compounding. My working interpretation for natal Jupiter/Sedna blends (different from the SSR, i.e., transiting Ju/Se of this contact) is:
Innovators, ambitious. Myth is core to their personal and public power, either by invoking a mythic context or embodying an archetype (or character). May wield a belief system as a tool of power and control (often horrific, not always so). Among the successful, their name, character, or act make a powerful imprint on their time.
Finally, a week from today p Moon = r Moon/Eris. These two planets are in wide mundane conjunction natally and have their midpoint (mundanely) exactly on my Dsc. My current working interpretation for Moon-Eris is:
Mischievous, curious, trickster, outlier, and disruptor: Naturally navigates the swarm of chaos more easily with practical advantage (but thus also leaves a wake of chaos, disrupting imposed orders and conditions, from having little native resistance to disorder). At best, finds new order in the incomprehensible, manages outlier possibilities.
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:59 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:43 pm
I'm going to do an experiment this year: We often say something like, "Oh, SSR Moon squares natal Jupiter-Uranus but it's already past the exact aspect. It won't progress to it during the year."

Ah, but what about converse progressions? Our predecessors voiced their confidence in them. Does the SSR perhaps progress backwards in time as well as forward?
This experiment with Converse SQ Moon is producing consistent results so far, i.e., the whole idea seems consistently worthless.
Opposite natal Neptune January 10, square natal Mars March 17.)
I know what Moon-Neptune feels like (especially after a couple of years of the transit) and - despite the fact that the transit has it's last hurrah peak a few weeks ago and is still running out the last days of its partile march to the exit door, this has been an especially NOT Moon-Neptune period. Unless this does an outstanding snap-around the next couple of days, there will be nothing - certainly nothing strong or of unusual importance - to link it to today's exact Converse SQ Moon opposition to natal Neptune.
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by mikestar13 » Mon Jan 30, 2023 1:01 pm

I'm actually glad to hear about the lack of results for the converse SQ moon. One less thing to watch. It's enough to keep track of NQ, SQ, and PSSR without needing to track the converse versions of them. Of course it is already possible in TMSA to do converse solunars (if I wanted a converse SSR for 2023, I'd just cast a regular SSR for 1891). Similar techniques will work for transits and progressions when these are implemented.
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:05 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:43 pm
square natal Mars March 17.
This one is harder to judge since there is SO MUCH Mars going around. There was a lot this week, and I'm in the middle of a few days when I'm wearing a broken piece of glass in my eye in lieu of not seeing at all, until I get a lens replacement about Monday. So... lots of Mars right now, but (among many other things) transiting Mars also crosses my Midheaven tomorrow and multiple planets have been setting off the Mars-Neptune to natal Moon in the SSR.

So... really hard to tell.

But the others were so poor in their showing that I'm not inclined to credit the technique overall. There might be something to converse SQs but I'll probably never waste my time tracking one again.
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Anlunar 3/23/23

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:25 am

Historically, I've not found Anlunars (the lunar return of the solar return) to be worth much. I hope that continues to be true because I have a really brutal one at the end of the week.

My current SLR is positive but anxious - Jupiter exactly opposite my Sun in the moderate foreground plus natal Mars-Neptune exactly angular. It's been stirring unusual anxiety (as if I'm being hunted or stalked) in the midst of things being objectively good. With Jupiter still zeroing in on the exact transit to Sun, this all looks like things will be pretty good.

But the March 23 Anlunar is brutal. I'm watching them this year, but only the ones that have stand-out precise symbolism to see if that makes a difference.

My very positive SSR has a partile Mars-Neptune square EXACTLY on natal Moon - but in the deep background. It's not a part of the year as a whole. But the Anlunar (which I usually find worthless but, in THEORY, draws out SSR themes) places this right on the angles and - if that wasn't enough - puts Saturn on MC. And the SSR Mars-Neptune angularities are tiny - 0' and 4'.

I really don't need this right now (this week in particular). I'm looking forward to it amounting to nothing, but understand I might be wrong about that.

Here's the main picture in case I don't make it out alive <vvg>:

5°52' Leo - long. of r Pluto when on IC
6°47' Aqu - t Saturn [MC +2°13']
8°57' Aqu - Anlunar MC

27°24' Aqu - r Moon [Z 00°53']
27°58' Tau - s Mars [Asc +0°04']
28°20' Aqu - s Neptune [N 0°00']
28°20' Tau - Anlunar Asc
0°21' Pis - t Neptune [Z -2°01']
4°06' Gem - t Mars [Asc -3°36']
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Post by Veronica » Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:35 am

Ime when we have those feelings of being hunted/stalked , Mars Neptune is good for breaking out of routine, double back, and doing unexpected behaviors. Paranoia evolved to keep us alive.

Mars is in great part of the sky right now to lend strength to us to shield us from the phantom monsters that arise in our mind, that can make us feel like the world outside is trying to suck the life out of us, but when I open my eyes and turn on the lights there are no real threats. Nothing, just a nameless, formless nothing.

Of course, I will say Jim that you are a very public figure in many circles and I do hope that you always keep your chin up and make strong eye contact and trust your gut to tell you what really going on around you.

I think your right though that this charts cant really add up to much of anything that matters considering how many other charts are progressing and returning,

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Post by Veronica » Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:28 am

as an aside....

in our constitution it is encouraged for citizens to be in pursuit of Happiness.
Happiness as we see is astrology are planets and aspects.
Maybe there is something in your natal chart that is a an aspect/ need for another person for their happiness, and they are out in the world looking for that something to fulfill that need and are aggressively hunting for it (you().

That's what it feels like to me,......if I could change one thing it would be that line.


this is what I feel like sometimes, I imagine going to court and saying....
"My name is Veronica, I am Happiness. Here I am. Please leave me alone, I cant be my true self feeling like you are hunting and stalking me. What do you want ......

I really dont feel pursuit of happiness is the correct word choice.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:45 am

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I really dont feel pursuit of happiness is the correct word choice.
I thought the Declaration of Independence said purfuit of Happineff <vbg>
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Re: Anlunar 3/23/23

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:34 pm

I'm quite ready to call this Anlunar a complete dud (thankfully). There were things in the wind (easily relatable to my current lunar) that I couldn't confirm were threat-free until a meeting this afternoon, but all came out clear and peaceful. In fact the nervous sense of distrust thst began with the SLR (NATAL Mars-Neptune) began dissolving soon after this ugly Anlunar setup.

Nothing here suggests I change my mind about the Anlunar.
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Historically, I've not found Anlunars (the lunar return of the solar return) to be worth much. I hope that continues to be true because I have a really brutal one at the end of the week.

My current SLR is positive but anxious - Jupiter exactly opposite my Sun in the moderate foreground plus natal Mars-Neptune exactly angular. It's been stirring unusual anxiety (as if I'm being hunted or stalked) in the midst of things being objectively good. With Jupiter still zeroing in on the exact transit to Sun, this all looks like things will be pretty good.

But the March 23 Anlunar is brutal. I'm watching them this year, but only the ones that have stand-out precise symbolism to see if that makes a difference.

My very positive SSR has a partile Mars-Neptune square EXACTLY on natal Moon - but in the deep background. It's not a part of the year as a whole. But the Anlunar (which I usually find worthless but, in THEORY, draws out SSR themes) places this right on the angles and - if that wasn't enough - puts Saturn on MC. And the SSR Mars-Neptune angularities are tiny - 0' and 4'.

I really don't need this right now (this week in particular). I'm looking forward to it amounting to nothing, but understand I might be wrong about that.

Here's the main picture in case I don't make it out alive <vvg>:

5°52' Leo - long. of r Pluto when on IC
6°47' Aqu - t Saturn [MC +2°13']
8°57' Aqu - Anlunar MC

27°24' Aqu - r Moon [Z 00°53']
27°58' Tau - s Mars [Asc +0°04']
28°20' Aqu - s Neptune [N 0°00']
28°20' Tau - Anlunar Asc
0°21' Pis - t Neptune [Z -2°01']
4°06' Gem - t Mars [Asc -3°36']
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Anlunar 8/6/2023

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:27 am

I have another interesting Anlunar worth watching. It's interesting because its main tone is opposite the main tone of my current SLR.

The SLR, with Saturn precisely angular, hasn't been bad so far. I see Saturn elements on things currently being planned, but the foreground aspects seem to have a stronger hand than the exactly angular Saturn: The aspects boil down to transiting Venus-Uranus aspecting natal Venus-Pluto.

That's all before the Anlunar occurred late last night: August 6, 2023, 10:56:11 PM PDT (at home). It's never been clear which planets to consider, but in theory the transiting, SSR, and natal planets are all part of the picture. I do have natal Mars 0°34' from Zenith. the rest, though, is a different flavor:

s Sun on WP-a +0°04'
s Venus on WP +0°53'
t Moon on Asc -2°52' [s Moon 4°03']
s Pluto on Z -1°35'

s Sun-Venus co 0°37' M

That Sun-Venus conjunction seems the main feature. It also matches what I think is coming this week (with the SLR and Anlunar overlapping), This i also a time of major transit activity (Neptune is crossing my angles again this month; transiting Pluto precisely opposes my Jupiter this week and my Uranus later in the month, and those transits are precisely right for what I think is coming this week and next).

It will be interesting to watch at least.
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Aug 31, 2023 9:31 pm

This was indeed a positive time, with the new car and various trips, though it's unclear if it's the Anlunar (Maybe so.)

The reverse is now about to occur. My new SLR tonight is especially positive, but Sunday I have a Mars-Neptune Anlunar. At the moment I'm feeling a little under the weather but that's not the Anlunar which is still a couple of days away.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Sep 03, 2023 8:41 am

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My new SLR tonight is especially positive, but Sunday I have a Mars-Neptune Anlunar. At the moment I'm feeling a little under the weather but that's not the Anlunar which is still a couple of days away.
Against plans, we're still in Los Olivos, so the Anlunar set up here. I'm not expecting much, since Anlunars have never seemed strong to me, but I'm watching it. SSR Mars-Neptune exactly on natal Moon is exactly on angles, plus transiting Mercury involved. We'll see.
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:21 am

A final remark for the year on Anlunars. I had a September 30 Anlunar that I'd flagged to watch. It brought the worst (non-foreground) feature of the SSR to the angles so I wanted to watch it. Here are the SSR positions:

27°24' Aqu - r Moon
27°58' Tau - s Mars
28°20' Aqu - s Neptune

The Anlunar then occurred with the following angles:

25°47' Aqu - Asc
28°27' Aqu - EP-a
29°28' Sco - MC
Add: t Mercury 28°07' Leo

I generally find Anlunars not worth following but had marked a few stronger ("outstanding") ones for the year to watch. Mostly they have proven just as minor as I'd thought: Something I could get by without ever knowing about (even when they had a small effect).

This Anlunar began just fine - no detection of anything of a Mars-Neptune theme for nearly a week. Then it compounded with something: This SSR Mars-Neptune Anlunar covered the period that my natal Mars-Neptune square and transiting Mars to natal Neptune all were concentrated on quotidian angles at the same time. I had a bad emotional event - something said to me that, far beyond what one would expect from the words, had a piercing emotional impact on me that it took several hours to shake.

What I think happened is that the Anlunar was pretty inert until other compounding aspects matched its symbolism - then it triggered unusually hard. In an ideal world, we could monitor all of these secondary, tertiary, and quaternary charts by a sophisticated computer program that overlayed time periods and generated reports based on intersecting symbolism - but we're a long time from that. I think it's worth noting, though, that this is how life works: There are multiple layers of overlapping and intersecting things not especially important by themselves but sometimes combining and fueling each other.

In this broad question of "how much are we supposed to watch?", Bradley once wrote me that he wasn't clear on the importance of an Anlunar and perhaps its main value was to highlight the very few SQ and PSSR angle crossings of the month worth noticing. That would be a useful filter (based on the idea that it takes at least two related layers before an event emerges from a minor factor).

The final thing I want to say is that identifying this event didn't require the Anlunar. It was evident in the transits (without necessarily knowing this would be stronger than usual) and in the quotidians. The Anlunar was just another layer.

After a year of watching these (the big ones), I'm even closer to thinking we don't need them; but I'll watch the "outstanding" ones for another year - and maybe remember to pre-identify the SQ and PSSR crossings that match it for the major Anlunars.
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Re: JAE 2022 SSR

Post by SteveS » Fri Oct 06, 2023 10:49 am

Thanks for this observation Jim.

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