2019 SSR - Pregnancy?

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2019 SSR - Pregnancy?

Post by Freya » Thu May 16, 2019 5:13 am

Here is my upcoming 2019 SSR based in Southampton, England. I am looking at this to find whether I will have a baby or not next year, as the current SSR has brought miscarriage.

Not sure I like the look of this one either, as the moon receives aspects from saturn and neptune, the effects of which have manifested in a miscarriage, but also jupiter and pluto, which should indicate conception. Uranus and venus are also there, with uranus foreground, which hopefully should bring positive change?

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 16, 2019 7:15 am

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Thu May 16, 2019 5:13 am
Not sure I like the look of this one either, as the moon receives aspects from saturn and neptune, the effects of which have manifested in a miscarriage, but also jupiter and pluto, which should indicate conception. Uranus and venus are also there, with uranus foreground, which hopefully should bring positive change?
Don't worry about Moon trine Saturn. It will be psychological more than eventual. Quite the opposite, SSR Moon is opposite Neptune, true, but also square Jupiter! Moon-Jupiter is 0°09', the closest hard aspect in the chart.

Generally, this is a very positive emotional tone and something to celebrate. Like everything, there are potential negative expressions, e.g., Jupiter-Neptune optimism can be unrealistic (not founded on fact), or Moon-Neptune (in the case of success) likely will swing you through some unexpected hormonal swings.

My biggest concern is Mars square MC and the culminating Uranus. Yes, this could be symbolism of a miscarriage, though that's not the only outcome. I think the message, then, is not to leave anything to chance that you can control, then go with the Jupiter-Neptune faith (confidence not dependent on reason) to carry you the rest of the way.

You said you wanted to try again around September. That might be bad timing. We probably should do lunar returns and watch transits to pick a best time or rat least double-check that time. What I notice, though, is that September is when Solar Return Moon progresses to the exact opposition to Neptune. There are several Moon-Neptune keywords that paint undesirable outcomes at exactly that point in time (although if you were already pregnant, it might just be normal hormonal swings).
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Post by Freya » Thu May 16, 2019 7:40 am

Thank you Jim for the insight that you have provided. Electional astrology is definitely beyond my skills, but if there is something I can control is exactly WHEN I will go for treatment.

This time I have chosen a clinic in Greece (in Athens) which seems to have all the latest tech to choose sperm with healthy DNA, which the previous clinic did not have. (Coincidentally I think I have a better relocated natal chart in Greece rather than Norway). The paradox here is that I am healthy and my eggs are graded excellent. It is my husband who has a fertility issue. Would it be wise to look at his chart too in order to select timing?

At this point I have learned my lesson, I am not going through another IVF cycle without having looked at my chart first. I was thinking September because plane tickets are cheaper, but I am not going to jeopardise my chances for a couple of hundred dollar's difference. I don't think my demi solar in October looks promising, which probably means I should do this on the first quarter of my next SSR?


Any help on how to seltect the best timing would be a precious gift for me, and also a good study on how powerful astrology really is in a person's life. Tecnically my body should "reset" in late June/July, if that is better timing to start the ball rolling again?

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Post by Freya » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:42 am

My biggest concern is Mars square MC and the culminating Uranus. Yes, this could be symbolism of a miscarriage, though that's not the only outcome.
Jim can this be the symbolism for divorce? It looks like we are headed that way at the moment, we are both drifting apart. If things don’t improve come September we are filing the petition because he doesn’t want to go ahead

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Re: 2019 SSR - Pregnancy?

Post by Arena » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:03 am

Is it possible that trying to get pregnant has simply put too much stress/strain on your relationship? Would it be wise to sit back and not try that for a while now, since your relationship is not stable at this time?

The Mars-Uranus aspect is imo not indicative of a divorce.
But the Mer-Mar conjunction in the SSR can be indicative of quarreling.
The fact that the Sat-Pluto conjunction in the SSR has your n. Venus on the opposing midpoint and the SSR IC falls onto your n. Pluto as well as the SSR Moon being aspected by both Saturn and Neptune is extremely separative in nature altogether. SSR Jup is there to help you though, being the midpoint between the Moon-Nep opposition. It will bring you grace and compassion.

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Re: 2019 SSR - Pregnancy?

Post by Freya » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:12 am

Yes we are taking a step back however it has transpired that he doesn’t want to try again at all (going back on everything he promised) Unless he changes his mind, we are headed for a separation as not having children is not a sacrifice I am willing to make. I pray to God it won’t come to that. I am hoping Jupiter will have a healing effect

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Re: 2019 SSR - Pregnancy?

Post by Arena » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:56 am

Bringing a child into the world is such a huge commitment and therefore a huge decision and should never be made under pressure. Maybe a time out from trying is what he needs now, without being accused of going back on his promises. Just a break from the process. Maybe going through what you've gone through has stirred things up and puts pressure on both of you. Maybe you need to enjoy your love without a baby for a while. I don't know if this rings true in your situation ... they are just a few maybes to think about.

You're only 35.

I was 37 and 38 when I had my two younger children and I would not have wanted to be any younger. I know that people are "ready" at different ages in their lives. I also know that I would never have been "ready".

I also know it is not my place to tell you what to do. I am just sharing a perspective.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:18 am

Freya wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:42 am
My biggest concern is Mars square MC and the culminating Uranus. Yes, this could be symbolism of a miscarriage, though that's not the only outcome.
Jim can this be the symbolism for divorce? It looks like we are headed that way at the moment, we are both drifting apart. If things don’t improve come September we are filing the petition because he doesn’t want to go ahead
Well, yes, it could to that way, but it wouldn't be my first impression. If it were manifesting in that part of your life, I would phrase it more in terms of fighting and similar eruptions - it can be temperamental, it can give a sense of not being a much in control of your life as you want or need.

But I wouldn't jump to that conclusion too quickly. As important as this one item is to the two of you, is it enough to split your marriage? I see in your subsequent post that not having children is a sacrifice you're not willing to make (your chart is indeed consistent with wanting this strongly), so maybe it is enough to split you... but the real marital weakness at the moment sounds like a communication / partnership problem.

Your words suggest to me that the issue is the "drifting apart," which feels like a communication issue. Communication issues are correctable by communicating! It wounds like there is pain and disappointment that you really aren't sharing as partners.
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Re: 2019 SSR - Pregnancy?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:23 pm

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Thu May 16, 2019 5:13 am
Here is my upcoming 2019 SSR based in Southampton, England. I am looking at this to find whether I will have a baby or not next year, as the current SSR has brought miscarriage.
It occurred to me that we could address the moment of this post as a question for horary astrology. First, though, there is the question of where, in your life and the universe, you were at the time of posting it.

The question was posted May 16, 2019, 1:13 PM PST, in Southampton, UK. The first two things I notice is that there was an alignment of the universe with your essential self, a return of some very basic things to their natal patterns. For one, Moon had just passed its natal position by 4 or 5 degrees - more on the Lunar Return in a moment. For another, Midheaven at the time of the question was less than a degree from your natal Midheaven: the sky was oriented much as it was when you were born.

There are two further suggestions that this was a "moment of self," a moment when your fundamental relationship to your life (as currently understood) was accentuated. They both involve the Sun. First, the question was asked with Sun at Midheaven (and LOL was technically a question about your Solar Return. Furthermore, transiting Sun was about 1° from square your Southampton Ascendant.

The question came as the universe demanded some soul-searching and confrontation of a sadness. Natally you have a 0°19' Moon-Venus conjunction, the keenest symbol in your chart for a deep demand that you be a mother. At the time of the above post, transiting Saturn was 0°13' from opposite your Venus and 0°32' from square your Moon. To (perhaps overly) simplify, you were in a process of feeling loss of motherhood.

Within Saturn's transit to your Moon-Venus, you also had transiting Mars opposite natal Neptune, only 0°06' wide when you posted. This is a transit that usually leaves a deep emotional wound, apparently the trigger or eruption of the soul-crisis defined by Saturn to Moon-Venus - the trigger that prompted you to turn to the charts and to post.

Sun, as mentioned was entering orb of square your local Ascendant. Venus had just left opposition to your Pluto. The skies then rotated back to the alignment they had at your birth, your own Midheaven being on Midheaven while you were in the middle of posting and just crossing the angle as you clicked Submit.

I think it important that we, in responding, understand where you were psychologically at the time of your post and I apologize for not doing so originally.
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Re: 2019 SSR - Pregnancy?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:37 pm

Your Sidereal Lunar Return occurred May 16 at 6:55 AM, about 6 hours before your post. In general, it's a great chart, with Jupiter a mere 0°04' from Descendant, though Mars rises opposite the Jupiter; and Sun was in Eastpoint. There are a number of fine points, and all the transits mentioned above were in partile orb. I think we might regard it as a chart for taking positive action, taking hold of the situation, etc.

That clears the slate - identifies where you stood in the universe at that moment - and clears the way for looking at this as a horary chart, using the "rational horary" approach I've suggested here in the past, i.e., still relying primarily on what we have already established as valid astrological principles without descending into the morass of historic horary approach - but with a little more focus on houses and with a different mindset toward the question.

On the direct question, "Will I have a baby?" the charts are not optimistic, though they have more to say than that one question, i.e., there is a larger framework within which the question exists. Looking at the chart, we see one powerful, proud symbol: Leo rises, with Sun close to Midheaven on the 9th house side. This is a strong symbol of personal dignity and a demand for self-actualization or self-fulfillment. That it falls in the house of foreign travel is consistent with our other discussions about travel abroad for the procedure, among other things, but its position on Midheaven closely trine Pluto is a great sign of positive transformation.

But this doesn't address the question itself. For this, we especially look at where Moon falls and her aspects, and also at the house of the subject matter. For pregnancy and delivery this means the 5th house. Here is why I said the signs weren't positive, for the 5th house has a Saturn-Pluto conjunction in it suggesting solitude, hardship, and loss. Furthermore, the Saturn-Pluto conjunction (especially Pluto) closely squares Moon. These, by traditional symbolism, would mean, "No pregnancy."

We could take the position that these aspects are separating and therefore only show the past circumstances. Given how close the Moon-Pluto aspect, and how exactly the symbolism matches the question, I wouldn't rely too heavily on that: As a partile aspect, it seems to be talking about the present.

I might be wrong about that, though. Normally we would look at Moon's next aspects. (Digression: I place no confidence in the traditional "voice of course" rules, the doctrine that if Moon makes no more aspects before leaving her current sign, then "nothing will come from the matter." I place no confidence in it because all the claims for the rule have been made based on the Tropical zodiac which doesn't exist. Therefore, there has been no actual research to validate this and the popularity of the rule reeks of fiction.) Anyway... looking forward, if we ignore the Void of Course rule, Moon's next aspect is a Moon-Venus opposition, applying by 6°46'. This is a marvelous sign for pregnancy if we are to trust it; and Venus even conjoins Uranus on the 9th cusp, interweaving themes of technology, happy surprises, and foreign travel.

My use of this more rational approach to horary astrology is too new for me to speak with authority on whether we should trust this quite happy aspect. If it is valid, then Moon progresses to oppose Venus in November with a new surprise (Moon opposite Uranus) by about the first of the year.

So that's what I've got. I'm sorry I can't give a definitive answer, and at least we can learn something from this. I do know, though, that the moment you posted your inquiry was a moment that concentrated great anguish and, arising from it, something in you committing to greater self-unfolding and self-understanding whatever the outcome.

At least, that's what I see this chart telling us.
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