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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:21 am

It is interesting indeed. Even after having just spent limited time with this guy, it feels authentic, we are somehow being very real and open with each other. And he is sooooooo different from my ex.

The speed of recovery from my separation is amazing. I know I might have a backlash when I come back to Edinburgh - but for now it is good.

Notice how t. Jupiter is almost exact on my Rvk DSC.

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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:37 am

Yes, that Jupiter on the Reyk SLR Desc is a third of a degree. Very healing. Happy for you :)
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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:08 am

The most recent lunar return took place on October 16th in Orihuela, Spain.

It may sound very strange... but I've been so strongly in tune with my intuition lately and in the last couple of days I somehow get the feeling that it is almost psychic... but then again I do not have proof of anything yet - as to whether my intuition is actually right or if it's just my imagination and it's not right, I don't know yet.

I looked at my SLR and it has Mercury as the closest planet to angle, the the EP, 0,02°. Mercury is partile trine Neptune and also opposite the Moon which is within 3° from the WP. Seeing that Neptune connection with Mercury can mean either a heightened sense of consciousness and/or it can also mean some kind of deception. Since it is a trine and sextile it may just mean it is imaginative and romantic (easy going without conflict).

The Sun and Jupiter form a yod towards that Moon, and the Sun and Moon are also in aspect to Pluto.
This is also a mixed message as it can mean both the really happy experiences of a relationship - but the Pluto aspects can either add depth and transformation or separation.

In mundo Uranus is partile the DSC and on the opposite side Venus is 3,24° below ASC (I've had a shopping spree in the last few days :) ).

So I would say this SLR has Mercury-Moon concurrent angularity - connected to Neptune and then the mundoscope has Uranus-Venus concurrent angularity. We could also combine them all and say that I now have partile concurrent angularity of Mercury and Uranus combined with Moon and Venus which actually sounds like it could be very exciting and a lovely time.

My natal Sun is partile the SLR MC and my natal MC is between that Sat-Pl combo in the sky.

To me this can mean two very different things - either it is about lots of communication, excitement, romance, strong emotional and almost psychic connection with the new love interest ..OR it is about finding out about some kind of deception (Neptune) and parting from that new love (Uranus on DSC and Pluto connection).

On one hand my heart and feelings have been encouraging me to just jump and dive fearlessly and go with the flow into allowing this new thing to develop and unfold ... and on the other hand my heart says to my soul, oh please dear, please protect me from any more hurt.

I have been planning to go and see him by the end of this month or perhaps beginning of Nov.
And of course I take a peak into his chars, solar returns and lunar returns. His current lunar return has Sun-Mars=ASC, but it's not partile. His next SLR takes place on Oct 29th and has a partile Uranus on the ASC, and partile Venus on the DSC and almost partile Sun on the DSC as well. A Mars-Nep opposition slightly further out from the angles. Ecliptically that partile Uranus is opposite the Sun and the partile Venus is partile conjunct the Moon and Mercury. Additionally the t. Neptune is partile his EP and partile square his n. Venus. His n. Uranus is on the SLR DSC and his n. Sun-Mars conjunction is the midpoint between that Sun-Uranus opposition in the SLR and his n. Jupiter is the opposite midpoint. The t. Pluto is coming close to his n. Mercury and the t. Jupiter is close to his n. Neptune.
Well, seems like a very exciting next lunar return for him :)

The TLR has a different theme in mundo, showing Sun at 1,51° below ASC as the most angular planet and then Pluto just within 3° from the IC.

PS. I might also add that the angular Jupiter in my current SSR comes closer to the DSC here in Spain.
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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by SteveS » Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:06 am

Main angular themes for your Spain SLR are Moon-Mercury-Venus-Uranus. 8-) for planning any activity you so desire as long as you have willing people to participate in your activities. :)

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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:55 am

Yes, these pages are turning, from return to return, like the hands on a Swiss clock. It sounds like you have your Solar Fire back but, since it has been so helpful to me in tracking your journey, I'll to a full workup / breakdown of your current SLR, too.

r Mercury on MC -6°57'
t Venus on Asc -3°24'
t Mercury on EP +0°46'
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r Sun on MC 0°29'
t Uranus on Dsc 0°54'


t Uranus sq. r Sun 0°25' in mundo
t Venus sq. r Sun 1°57'
t Mercury sq. r Mercury 2°54'
t Venus-Uranus op. 4°18' in mundo

Other partile
t Pluto sq. r Uranus 0°04' in mundo
t Mercury sq. r Mars 0°16' in mundo
t Moon-Mercury 0°23' in mundo


I would say, therefore, that the "outstanding event" premier aspect of this SLR is the half-degree mundane square of transiting Uranus to natal Sun, each being within 1° of the angle; and, supporting it, the Venus-Uranus opposition, both of them aspecting your Sun one way or the other, plus the exactly angular Mercury. It should be a lovely Valencia vacation with the primary focus on discovering yourself truthfully with a focus on freedom of self-expression in every respect, on varied pleasures, and on keen perceptiveness. Here's a trimmed down version of the above breakout, dropping the wider and more peripheral factors (but don;t miss those "extras" under the "Other partile" heading above):

t Venus on Asc -3°24'
t Mercury on EP +0°46'
r Sun on MC 0°29'
t Uranus on Dsc 0°54'

t Uranus sq. r Sun 0°25' in mundo
t Venus sq. r Sun 1°57'
t Mercury sq. r Mercury 2°54'
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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:16 pm

Thank you both.
I sure hope it will be a good one :)
I feel so extremely intuitive now. ... and there is a Venus excitement.

PS. I always check tight aspects of the angular planets to see what kind of effect they will have throughout the period, which is why I noted the Neptune and Pluto effect in this SLR.
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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:19 pm

Arena wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:16 pm
and there is a Venus excitement.
Great Venus-Uranus catch-phrase :)
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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:35 pm

Since the natal Sun becomes the midpoint to that Venus-Uranus opposition angular in the SLR, let's see what Ebertin has to say about that:
Venus-Uranus=Sun
Emotional receptivity, intuition through feeling, a nature quickly aroused. - The love-adventures of the male.
I guess we can say the love adventures of the native instead of "the male".

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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:41 am

I decided to just dive into the deep end of this Venus excitement and booked a flight to Rvk on Oct 29th. Will be landing there just a couple of hours after his next SLR starts with the Venus excitement as well ... when the Moon in the sky, conjunct Venus and Mercury are all conjunct his natal Moon :)

I am going to trust that the Universe will make it good for both of us.
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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by SteveS » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:30 am

:D I love your elected time plan Arena! And I am sure you will keep us informed. :)

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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:07 am

OMG we are in Venus wonderland 😍

Another thing to note in transit is that his t. Nep sq his n.Venus, and my solar arc Nep&Moon symbolism on angles makes it feel like a high, a very romantic and exciting one as well as highly intuitive. Almost like a dream you don't want to wake up from.

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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by SteveS » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:05 am

:D very happy for you Arena. And remember Arena, your natal Venus-Jupiter falling on your Edinburgh SSR Horizon, which IMO is the main layer of astrological symbolism explaining what you are experiencing now with your new love. :)

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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:20 am

Thank you Steve.

Yes my natal Venus-Jupiter on the SSR angles is most definitely working as a catalyst for me to open up to and fully enjoy this experience.

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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:52 am

A new lunar return is about to take place tomorrow and the sidereal one has Jupiter at 0.12° from the SLR ASC and a Moon-Sun partile opposition ecliptically. SLR Venus is trine n. Sun. There is a Mercury theme as well with t. Mer next to t. Sun and my n. Mer as the midpoint of the Sun-Moon opp. T. Venus is on my Rvk DSC. I am just on my phone now, so I will have a closer look on my computer with SF. But just seeing this made my heart jump. Seems like another VERY good month ahead 😊

Just to add a little to give insights into the current lunar.
It feels like real love, a true connection. I sometimes pinch myself to ask if it's really for real or if I'm just hooked on a feeling 😍

https://youtu.be/NrI-UBIB8Jk

The way he looks at me 🤩

The way he showers me with compliments 🤗

The way he turns me on sexually and I him (OMG!) 😮

The immensely deep emotion within me when he embraces me into his tight and strong hug 🙏

The way our souls connect on a deep deep level into our cores 💖

The way we seem to be able to just read each other emotionally ❤

The way we are both authentic and sincere with each other 🙏

The way he holds my hand while driving and goes through the trouble of stickshifting with his left hand 😁

The way he deeply enjoys our conversations even about the weirdest of things 🤗

The way he just gave me a key to his house as soon as I arrived 😍

I am so eternally grateful for this soul entering my life and the healing power that it brings and I just express my true gratitude to him all the time. It truly feels like it is meant to be and was no coincidence at all.

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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:09 am

This is all so awesome :)

From your description, it sounds like you're in Reyk. I'll work it up for you.
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Re: My SLR & TLR

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:) Beautiful!

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:53 am

There are some surprise mundane aspects!

t Pluto on Asc -8°17'
t Saturn on Asc -6°31'
r Mercury on Dsc -6°08'
r Jupiter on Asc -1°57'
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t Jupiter on Asc +0°16'

r Venus on Dsc +8°04'
t Venus on Asc +9°07'


-- t Saturn op. r Mercury 0°33' in mundo
-- t Venus op. r Venus 1°03' in mundo
-- t Saturn-Pluto conj. 1°46' in mundo
-- t Pluto op. r Mercury 2°09' in mundo
-- t Jupiter conj. r Jupiter 2°13' in mundo
-- t Jupiter op. r Venus 2°49'
-- r Mercury-Jupiter op. 4°11' in mundo
-- t Saturn op. r Jupiter 4°34' in mundo

Other partile
t Sun op. r Moon 0°10'
t Sun sq. r Mercury 0°10'
t Neptune conj. r Moon 0°27'
t Saturn sq. r Uranus 0°41'


If you strip out all the weaker factors to get a tighter "first impression," here are the core pieces:

r Jupiter on Asc -1°57'
t Jupiter on Asc +0°16'


-- t Saturn op. r Mercury 0°33' in mundo
-- t Venus op. r Venus 1°03' in mundo
-- t Saturn-Pluto conj. 1°46' in mundo
-- t Pluto op. r Mercury 2°09' in mundo
-- t Jupiter conj. r Jupiter 2°13' in mundo
-- t Jupiter op. r Venus 2°49'

t Sun op. r Moon 0°10', t Sun sq. r Mercury 0°10'
t Neptune conj. r Moon 0°27'
t Saturn sq. r Uranus 0°41'
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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:18 am

Thank you very much Jim.

Yes the core of it seems to be very very good.
I am enjoying the ride 🙏😍

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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:15 am

BTW Jim, why are you not noting the 0,10 partile opposition from Sun to the Moon as one of the main core themes of this LR? I would categorise it as a core theme as well as the partile Jup.

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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:24 am

Arena wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:15 am
BTW Jim, why are you not noting the 0,10 partile opposition from Sun to the Moon as one of the main core themes of this LR? I would categorise it as a core theme as well as the partile Jup.
It's there in the "core" summary. For review, here is the summary:
Jim Eshelman wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:53 am
If you strip out all the weaker factors to get a tighter "first impression," here are the core pieces:

r Jupiter on Asc -1°57'
t Jupiter on Asc +0°16'


-- t Saturn op. r Mercury 0°33' in mundo
-- t Venus op. r Venus 1°03' in mundo
-- t Saturn-Pluto conj. 1°46' in mundo
-- t Pluto op. r Mercury 2°09' in mundo
-- t Jupiter conj. r Jupiter 2°13' in mundo
-- t Jupiter op. r Venus 2°49'

t Sun op. r Moon 0°10', t Sun sq. r Mercury 0°10'
t Neptune conj. r Moon 0°27'
t Saturn sq. r Uranus 0°41'
It's obviously an important aspect - and your report of what's going on in your life discloses that if nothing else. I think you're being confused by the structure of how I laid this out. The three sections are three separate kinds of information: First, a list of foreground planets; second, a list of aspects between foreground planets; third, an add-on of other partile aspects.

Since Moon-Sun isn't foreground, I wouldn't have listed it at all were it not partile - this is a good example of that distinction. Moon opposite Sun is important in exactly the same way as t Sun to r Mercury, t Neptune to r Moon, and t Saturn to r Uranus.

An astronomical curio I didn't mention, but might be interesting to some: Some transiting Moon and natal Moon have different celestial latitude, their mundane positions are not the same. Generally, we regard that "there is no transiting Moon in a Lunar Return" because the exactly conjoined Moons are best treated as natal Moon. That's not true mundanely, though, and your current chart is an extreme example. Transiting Sun is middleground, 7°24' into the 8th house (i.e., 38°24' above Descendant). Transiting Moon (latitude 3S53) is 21°21' into the 2nd house (51°12' below Ascendant), but natal Moon (latitude 4N50), with exactly the same ecliptical longitude, is 15°10' into the 1st house - 15°10' below Asc. The two Moons are 36° apart in the mundoscope. Both, of course, are partile opposite Sun ecliptically. But with natal Moon 15°10' in the 1st house, it is in partile conjunction with transiting Neptune 14°43' in the 1st house, a powerful aspect even though they are two signs apart (64°) in the zodiac.
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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:34 am

Thanks again Jim.
I will keep you all posted on how this month turns out.

I believe the Venus-Neptune square is also important since both planets are very close to my local angles, Venus to local DSC and Nep to local EP. "High on love" theme :) ... which he also will have in his next LR from Nov 26th: Nep on the LR ASC and his n. Venus on the LR MC.

BTW, I am already seeing a very Jupiterian theme manifesting since my birthday, my father helping me financially and other people offering me a place to stay. Right now I got a huge house and a car to myself while taking care of my friend's dog while they are abroad. A similar thing will happen during Christmas when I will have another house to myself and take care of a cat while my friends stay abroad.

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Re: My SLR & TLR

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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:30 am

Update. Yes we are most definitely high on love :)
Somehow this period in my life is just all about a new love and I am totally embracing it.
I just know that this is becoming a relationship, it's not just a fling.

I am simply staying at his place all the time. He made room in his wardrobe for me and asked me to unpack my suitcase. The magnetic pull between us is very strong and mutual and we lovingly admit it and surrender to it. He is now asking me to stay even though his teenage son is coming to stay with him this week. And even though we haven't said in words "I love you", I know that my heart is his and his heart is mine now.

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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by SteveS » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:47 pm

Arena wrote:
I just know that this is becoming a relationship, it's not just a fling.
:) 8-) The last Venus-Jupiter SSR (Venus-Jupiter Paran cnj) female my eyes witness she fell madly in love with her new mate and they married. Makes me wonder if your Natal Venus 180 Jupiter falling on your Edinburgh SSR Horizon will produce another marriage since you and your new mate appears to have already fallen madly in love. :D Wishing you much happiness. :)

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Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:35 am

Sounds gorgeous Steve and thank you so very much :)
When I relocate the SSR to Rvk, my natal Venus-Jup is still very close to the SSR angle and the t. Jupiter is 1,35° from the local DSC.

I made a very conscious decision to knock down all my defences and instead of shutting down as my first reaction was in September, I decided to embrace this new love and I know he's doing the same.

About the Ven-Jup theme, he also has his own pattern for this SSR. The SSR almost partile conj of Ven-Jup is partile conj his n. Venus and local MC. His natal Sun-Mars in opposition to n.Jup falls on his SSR angle this year. His progressed SSR Moon was partile square that Ven-Jup when we met.

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