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Marion's SLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:02 am

I don't think SLRs are usually worth travelling for (and never worth it unless you can put something specifically desirable on the angles). A rare one, though, looks so bad that it's worth the effort.

In two days, my wife has the following new SLR, as calculated for our home:

r Mercury on N -2°37'
r Uranus on Dsc -7°54'
r Sun on IC -7°46'

r Mars on Dsc -6°34'
t Mars on Asc -6°24'

r Saturn on Asc -3°19'
t Saturn on Asc -2°45'

t Mars op. r Mars 0°09' M
t Saturn sq. r Mercury 0°32'
t Saturn co. r Saturn 0°33' M
t Mars sq. r Sun 1°22' M
t Mars op, r Uranus 1°29' M

r Sun-Uranus sq. 0°07' M
r Sun-Mars sq. 1°13' M
r Mars-Uranus co, 1°20'
r Mercury-Saturn sq. 1°22'

Transiting conjunct natal Saturn closely angular. Transiting Mars opposite natal Mars moderately angular. (It's also exactly square Sedna, for those interested.) Doubled up double malefics and more.
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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:24 am

This one seemed severe enough that she's taking the opportunity to go to Denver for the day. East of Denver an hour would be even better, but Denver should nail it. There's still rough stuff (even a couple of new things) but the negatives aren't the most dominant AND they take on a different character in the context of more positive strong angularities and Moon aspects. Here's the chart the way it will set up:

EDIT 4/13/22: The final location for return setup was 39N51'02", 104W40'26". I've tweaked the numbers below to match that exactly.

t Neptune on Asc -8°50'
t Jupiter on Asc -8°49'

r Sun on N -2°00'
r Moon on Dsc -5°22'

r Pluto on WP-a -1°02'
t Venus on Asc -0°51'
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r Uranus on Dsc +1°41'
r Mars on Dsc +2°42'
t Mars on Asc +2°50'
r Saturn on Asc +5°38'
t Saturn on Asc +6°08'


t Jupiter-Neptune co. 0°01'
t Mars op. r Mars 0°09'
t Saturn co. r Saturn 0°31'
t Venus sq. r Sun 0°37'
t Mars op. r Uranus 1°10' M
t Venus op. r Pluto 1°55'
t Moon-Jupiter op. 2°29' M
t Moon-Neptune op. 2°30' M
t Venus op. r Uranus 2°31' M
t Venus op. r Moon 2°34'
t Mars co. r Saturn 2°47' M

r Moon-Pluto co. 0°39'
r Mars-Uranus co. 1°01' M
r Sun-Pluto sq. 1°18'
r Moon-Sun sq. 1°58'
r Mars-Saturn op. 2°56' M
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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Veronica » Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:04 pm

I'm glad she got the opportunity to get away. The relocated chart, especially with the Sun now seems much kinder.

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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:25 pm

Veronica wrote:
Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:04 pm
I'm glad she got the opportunity to get away. The relocated chart, especially with the Sun now seems much kinder.
The one concern is that something will go wrong and she'll get stranded overnight in Salt Lake City, where Saturn is just a few minutes from Ascendant. (It's actually worse than if she didn't travel. See below.)

t Venus on EP-a -1°10'
r Uranus on Dsc -4°06'

r Mars on Dsc -3°10'
t Mars on Asc -3°01'
r Moon on WP -0°26'
r Saturn on Asc -0°24'
r Pluto on WP -0°13'
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t Saturn on Asc + 0°05'

r Sun on IC +3°17
r Mercury on N +2°31'
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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Veronica » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:15 pm

Yes that would be very unfortunate.
Our family actually got a flat tire in Salt Lake, I remember that I was thrilled because I got to get out of the van and go collect the strange salt that was everywhere around.
Fingers crossed for the best!!

That Angular pluto might be a real miracle worker if she does though.

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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Veronica » Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:20 am

I hope she is loading up on Vitamin c and Zinc to give her immune system a boost, has a mask and hand sanitizer too !!
With so many people still getting viruses of one sort or another it pays to protect ourselves as best we can.

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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:44 am

They don't let you on a plane without a mask (or a city bus, or inside an Uber, or any other public conveyance). She was one of triple density masks I got us ahead of our Memphis trip and is triple-vaxxed.

It surprisingly cold her this morning (after some days in the 90s and upper 80s). That's mostly because it's ferociously windy, which I hope doesn't delay their takeoff. She boarded a few minutes ago.
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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:11 am

She made it through Vegas without a hitch and is now in Denver. The return WILL occur in Denver in the wee hours of tomorrow morning.
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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Apr 13, 2022 8:01 am

She has taken off from Denver, landed in SLC, and taken off from there. So far, no Mercury-Saturn artifacts. (The aspects don't exist in Denver and didn't get picked up in the especially bad SLC location for the hour and a half she was there.) Presuming landing in LA is uneventful, the trip itself accomplished its purpose and the SLR while in Denver (including, as usual, the hours prior to and leading up to its actual occurrence) was quite expressive of the partile angular Venus and its aspects.
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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:03 am

Landed at LAX safely. Mission accomplished.
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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Veronica » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:49 pm

Yea!!
That is great news!!

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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 05, 2022 9:12 am

Experimenting with my attempt to numerically objectify basic characteristics of these charts, since Marion's current SLR is such a prime example.

The current, worrisome SLR for Los Angeles would have scored this way:
Benefic = 168
Malefic = 386
Change = 202
Spotlight = 241

The chart was correctly identified as malefic - in quite a major way (scores over 300 are rare, and this one approached the maximum possible score of 400). Meanwhile, there wasn't enough benefic juice to cross the 200 "above the line" threshold. - There were indications she was likely to be in the spotlight and that some circumstances would undergo change.

Other metrics with which I'm experimenting that are high are Indignity (254), but at least offset by Dignity being "above the line" at 205. If found useful long-term, this could be summarized as something like, "Your dignity is attacked or wounded, or esteem is lost, but not badly: When everything shakes out, your dignity is intact."

If someone were first learning to read these charts, this would have made clear that it was a worrisome month - one she probably would survive, but not without paying a price.

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Relocating it to Denver, though, changed the dynamic - it didn't reverse it at all, but it certainly changed the weight of things:

Benefic = 264
Malefic = 379
Change = 239
Spotlight = 321

Everything is in play! It is still more malefic than benefic (a very high malefic number) but with a clearly strong benefic signature as well. Whereas the LA example is, "This is really bad, but you probably get out with your neck intact," the Denver example is, "This is really bad but you have some real guardian angels on your side!" Very much in the spotlight, with circumstances very much in motion and subject to change. The biggest difference between LA and Denver isn't the slight reduction in the malefic score but the big jump in the benefic score.

In LA, malefic is very high, benefic is low, and malefic is 230% of the benefic score (more than twice as strong). In Denver, malefic is very high yet benefic is high, with malefic score being 144% of the benefic score, or not quite one and a half times as high.

In Denver, almost every dynamic I'm measuring (including the experimental ones) is very high, due to the strong angularity of so many factors. Dignity at 276 nearly ties Indignity at 285. Vulnerability is 287, Shifting Conditions is a very high 311, Sex is 337, Security Needs is 313, and so on. Eventually, I think something useful has to come out of this quantification method.
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Mother's Day SLR in Philadelphia

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 05, 2022 9:13 am

Right on the heels of that last mega-bad LA SLR, Marion's upcoming one is nearly as bad. Here's the chart for our home:

Benefic = 137%, Malefic = 344%, Change = 254%, Spotlight = 291%
Indignity 332 vs. Dignity 195. Vulnerability & Shifting Conditions high.

r Uranus on Asc -7°43'
r Mars on Asc -4°11'
r Mercury on EP -3°46'

t Sun on MC -0°17'
t Saturn on Dsc -0°04'

-------------------------- Dsc = Sa/Sa 0°21'
r Saturn on Dsc +0°45'
t Uranus on MC +4°42'
r Neptune on IV +4°59'
r Venus on MC +5°01'


t Sun-Saturn sq. 0°13' M
t Uranus op. r Neptune 0°17' M
't Uranus co. r Venus 0°19' M
t Saturn co. r Saturn 0°49'
t Sun sq. r Saturn 1°02' M
t Saturn sq. r Mercury 2°11'
t Sun co. r Mercury 2°26'

r Venus-Neptune op. 0°02'
r Mercury-Mars sq. 0°25' M
r Mercury-Saturn sq. 1°22'

Other partile aspects: t Mercury sq. r Pluto
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Re: Mother's Day SLR in Philadelphia

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 05, 2022 9:26 am

However, Philadelphia looked a lot better, and it's only an hour's drive from where her dad and step-mom life in New Jersey - and it's Mother's Day weekend. So, here is the chart she'll actually get (at the Philadelphia airport on the way back).

Benefic = 274%, Malefic = 74%, Change = 76%, Spotlight = 68%

t Venus on Dsc -8°07'
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t Jupiter on Dsc +0°43'
t Neptune on Dsc +5°40'

No foreground aspects. Partile non-fore aspects include Saturn to natal Saturn, Uranus to natal Venus-Neptune, and her natal Sun-Pluto square (closer mundo than usual).

One thing that really intrigues me is that the LA chart (that she'll come back to) has strong father symbolism and, though she's ending up with a more benefic month, the first in-person visit to her father in a few years (due to their relocation + Covid etc.) goes with the package.
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Re: Mother's Day SLR in Philadelphia

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 10, 2022 1:12 pm

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Thu May 05, 2022 9:26 am
However, Philadelphia looked a lot better, and it's only an hour's drive from where her dad and step-mom life in New Jersey - and it's Mother's Day weekend.
This occurred at 39N52'40", 75W14'25".

t Venus on Dsc -8°07'
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t Jupiter on Dsc +0°43'
t Neptune on Dsc +5°40'

(no foreground aspets)


An interesting pattern appears (not an entirely nice one) that we rarely get to study in return charts. Note these azimuth figures (against the detail of transiting Jupiter square them all from its close presence on the western horizon). These are measured against the Antivertex (E) and Vertex (W) ends of the PV where it intersects the horizon.

29°16' W - t Jupiter
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0°41' W - t Neptune
0°47' E - t Moon
1°46' W - t Mars
1°56' E - r Moon


Let's try the automated SLR summary I'm trying to create over on the TMSA forum:

This will be a good period with blessings outweighing difficulties. Energies seem to come from the world around you, more or less indifferent to your involvement; nonetheless, you likely will echo those behaviors and reflect the energies back into the world by your actions and responses.
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Re: Mother's Day SLR in Philadelphia

Post by Danica » Tue May 10, 2022 7:39 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Tue May 10, 2022 1:12 pm
This will be a good period with blessings outweighing difficulties. Energies seem to come from the world around you, more or less indifferent to your involvement; nonetheless, you likely will echo those behaviors and reflect the energies back into the world by your actions and responses.
Sounds vague and absent of any specifically useful information.
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Re: Mother's Day SLR in Philadelphia

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 10, 2022 7:49 pm

Danica wrote:
Tue May 10, 2022 7:39 pm
Jim Eshelman wrote:
Tue May 10, 2022 1:12 pm
This will be a good period with blessings outweighing difficulties. Energies seem to come from the world around you, more or less indifferent to your involvement; nonetheless, you likely will echo those behaviors and reflect the energies back into the world by your actions and responses.
Sounds vague and absent of any specifically useful information.
The reports that are in development will have more concrete information (and still the limits of computer-generated reports).

But, in decades of seeing astrology clients, while I like to get to nitty-gritty, they mostly want to know if it will be a good month or a bad month, and a couple of general details and maybe a specific question answered here and there, so that's the first priority of the report: Filter good months from bad months, and filter "big deal" months from "no big deal" months. As attention spans have narrowed, it's increasingly hard to get people to listen too many sentences past that. (Plus, I still hope to get Mike to eventually pick up phone app programming and adapt all this to a pinwheel of pretty icons and multi-colored bar graphs since those seem to be what attracts 90% of the attention of Gen Z.)

The second sentence in the quote above is an experiment. It's based on there being no natal planets foreground - only transiting planets. The sentence (and a complementary one for when only natal planets are foreground) is an experiment to see if we can draw a reasonable distinction from that one fact alone.

In a full report, this "headline," or "get the gist of the month in the first three or four lines," would be followed by short paragraphs on the closest foreground planets and the foreground aspects. That's the easy part. The intro "tell them what you want to make sure they walk away with in the first 15 seconds" is the hard part.

The second sentence above, translated, means (1) there are only transiting planets foreground, so it seems as if everything is coming from the outside toward you with nothing originating from you, but (2) {bonk} it anyway, when that's true then this just acts like a new birth chart for two to four weeks, so you should interpret it that way, also.
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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 10, 2022 8:06 pm

Danica, in the same spirit of experiment, here is what the current draft of programmable paragraphs would say about your new SLR today:

This will be a difficult period with frustrations, blocks, or grievances outweighing comfort and ease. Circumstances in your life are shifting. Events now feel more personal to you, including receiving unusual attention from someone important to you that you value.

This would go on to note (and individually interpret) that the "players" are natal Mars supported by transiting Uranus and Pluto and natal Sun and Saturn, and that the chart's dynamic expression is transiting Pluto square natal Pluto and transiting Uranus conjunct natal Mars (with acknowledgement of natal Sun-Saturn).

It's all crude and may remain that way, at least for a long time. The most important thing to make it mass-market accessible is to get those opening sentences right (especially on isolating good vs. bad period and big deal vs. not a big deal period where obvious).
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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:39 pm

We were planning to get away this weekend. I second-guessed whether we wanted to since Marion's Demi-SLR Sunday morning has a Venus-Saturn (1°02') near the angles. The answer, though, was that the farther north she goes, the better it gets.

San Francisco (or Marin, actually) would be the best for her - the Venus is most exactly angular and the Saturn most weakly angular (effectively no longer foreground) - but money makes flying a budget strain, the drive would keep her from working Saturday, and we want to be back here Monday morning so my full SLR catches the double angular Sun.

The compromise (and understanding that it's only a demi, and that she has the Venus-Saturn regardless) was - yes, let's get away, and go less far north - to San Luis Obispo - where the Saturn weakens and the Venus strengthens. (Natal Saturn gets stronger but transiting Saturn gets weaker.) We'll take Kali along for a roughly 24-to-30-hour trip much like what we'd originally planned.

Here are her angularities for home:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Sa 00Aq01'30" 01S10 - 1'26" 327°46' 14S16 258°33' - 8°36' 171°14'  98% Wa
Ve 01Ta03'13" 01S43 + 1°11'  54°13' 17N36 194°27' +73°05' 265°40'  95% M
Me 10Ta41'26" 03S06 + 1°08'  64°25' 18N12 160°21' +73°18' 275°46'  91% M
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Radical Planets                             
Ur 07Le07'09" 00N46 + 0°01' 154°26' 11N25  77°17' + 1°36' 358°22'  99% A
Pl 15Le19'57" 13N36 + 0'16" 167°20' 20N13  62°52' - 3°14'   3°38'  96% A
Ma 03Le51'00" 01N25 + 0°29' 151°33' 13N11  77°25' + 4°56' 354°57'  93% A
Mo 15Le59'02" 03N53 +12°20' 164°00' 11N01  72°09' - 6°16'   6°35'  89% A
Sa 28Cp52'23" 01S03 + 0'24" 326°36' 14S32 258°56' - 9°41' 170°08'  89% Wa
Me 27Ar30'46" 03S35 - 0°02'  51°06' 14N57 201°16' +69°43' 262°22'  85% M
Su 14Ta01'27" 00N00 + 0°58'  67°23' 21N49 145°26' +75°30' 278°21'  82% M
Here they are for where we're going to be, 35N13'17", 120W35'01"

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Ve 01Ta03'13" 01S43 + 1°11'  54°13' 17N36 186°35' +72°17' 267°54'  99% M
Sa 00Aq01'30" 01S10 - 1'26" 327°46' 14S16 257°28' - 7°01' 172°49'  94% Wa
Mo 15Aq59'02" 04S55 +13°50' 344°24' 11S58 249°40' + 7°24' 187°53'  84% D
Me 10Ta41'26" 03S06 + 1°08'  64°25' 18N12 154°59' +71°32' 278°02'  83% M
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Radical Planets                             
Ur 07Le07'09" 00N46 + 0°01' 154°26' 11N25  76°01' + 0°03' 359°57' 100% A
Sa 28Cp52'23" 01S03 + 0'24" 326°36' 14S32 257°53' - 8°05' 171°44' 100% Wa
Ma 03Le51'00" 01N25 + 0°29' 151°33' 13N11  76°14' + 3°23' 356°31' 100% A
Pl 15Le19'57" 13N36 + 0'16" 167°20' 20N13  61°27' - 4°21'   4°56'  93% A
Me 27Ar30'46" 03S35 - 0°02'  51°06' 14N57 194°17' +69°11' 264°39'  92% M
Mo 15Le59'02" 03N53 +12°20' 164°00' 11N01  70°39' - 7°40'   8°07'  83% A
It's not perfect. But the choice was to pre-fulfill the Venus-Saturn symbolism by cancelling the plans and staying home (and getting the worst version of the chart with Saturn outweighing Venus) or go for it anyway and take a slightly improved one - by going where we wanted to go in the first place.

The aspects are essentially the same - especially the most telling ones - with some slightly more aggravating ones if she stays home.
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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by SteveS » Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:07 am

Let us know if the Ve-Sa manifests on the trip, hope not.

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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:18 am

SteveS wrote:
Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:07 am
Let us know if the Ve-Sa manifests on the trip, hope not.
While there might be grumbles, and the day will be a bit of a hard ordeal, the basic setup should be quite the opposite for her. I'll have to pay particular attention to pick it up since Venus aspects my natal Venus-Pluto (with Saturn not in orb and the planets not angular for me).

I might as well give you the setup: We're driving up tonight to grab a cheap motel in Lompoc. The motel was double what we usually pay (which is still cheap since motels are often really cheap in Lompoc). Our cat, Kali, is coming along: It took a couple of road trips for Kali to settle from being very anxious to being resigned and accepting of the discomfort of being in a car, and by the last trip (a drive to Tucson and back) she moved on to seeming to enjoy it. The decision to bring her came from (1) she'd been insecure since our week in Chicago and then Marion's three days in Texas (though I was here), and had only yesterday seemed to settle back into, "OK, it's good again, we're all back together." I didn't want to disturb that again so fast; and (2) an exact spot we're going is a winery she really liked before, especially when they had live music outside.

So, Marion will be happy to have Kali with us, though distressed if Kali has too much "road distress." I think the latter unlikely since my transits for the day are good (and I'd also be adversely affected by Kali in distress).

The Demi-SLR sets up just before 11 AM. The chosen spot is in San Luis Obispo (closest Venus of the trip) and the first winery opens at 11 AM. We'll have a leisurely morning getting out the door for the one-hour drive from Lompoc to SLO. We have three favored wineries scheduled, all within about a mile on the same road, beginning with the exceptionally pleasant one that Kali especially enjoyed in the past. (I gave the coordinates for that spot above.) We've allowed generous time at each one that we probably will try to squeeze a bit to buy us time at the end of the afternoon. We'll probably have lunch outside at the first stop, then move through our schedule with the other two.

What we're trying to squeeze time for is a fourth winery an hour south in Los Olivos. It's a favorite, recently changed hands (the former tasting room manager bought it from the family when the patriarch died during Covid, is keeping everything the same, and just got his final government clearances to full open again). He said he'd be there until 5:30 and could stay a little later if we text him we're on the way. If we leave SLO by 4 PM (and especially if we can do it by 3:30), this will work out fine. This is one of Marion's very favorites that I was able to squeeze in with some phone calls - it would be at least a small Venus-Saturn for her if something goes wrong and we miss this connection.

The weather should be lovely. SLO is great weather year-round (always cool and foggy in the morning, then that boils off around 10 AM and the day stays almost always pleasant). Tomorrow it should be 51°-74°. Los Olivos has a wider range, and tomorrow will have a high of 85°, but the temperature peaks about 1 PM and we won't be there until about 5 PM, so about 80°. Interpersonal stuff likely will be smooth and pleasant because we do this kind of travelling well together: it feeds us individually and as a couple; though the strain of so much driving on a somewhat tight schedule could be a stressor.

From there, it's a matter of closing the evening and returning. We'll likely get dinner in the immediate area. By this point, we'll likely need a break from a long day with a continuous stream of alcohol: Los Olivos has a church that is hospitable to all the visitors through town where bathrooms are open and we easily can park and nap in the car for an hour or two. It's then two and a half hours back home.

In summary, there's always room for a little extra stress or tiredness to sneak into a travel day, or for some small thing to go wrong; but, in general, the structure of the day should be much more Venus than Saturn.
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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Veronica » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:40 am

SLO!! I loved being there!! Have a great trip.
Highly recommend Bachs Rescue Remedy to help with Kali. I've used it for years on different animals, myself included (decade ago when I first heard of it I wasnt going to just blindly give it my pup without me trying it first).
Lots of people now use CBD ect for things like this too, but I am very hesitant to endorse that at this time and seems excessive and not at all true to the nature of cats.
Enjoy!!

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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by SteveS » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:44 am

:) it's good for a family to travel together. Nothing like short road trips for good R&R.

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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:59 pm

The location for the Demi-SLR was 35N08'32", 120W33'47" FWIW. The trip was a success (without adverse incident) in every respect. - In the final spot, very strong natal planets dominate, but the most angular transiting planet is Venus. (This would not have been true in LA.)

r Moon on Asc -8°08'
t Mercury on MC -8°01'
t Moon on Dsc -7°32'

r Pluto on Asc -4°58'
t Saturn on WP-a -1°26'
r Mars on EP -0°20'
r Saturn on WP-a -0°16'

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r Uranus on Asc +0°03'
t Venus on MC +2°07'
r Mercury on MC +5°22'

t Mercury sq r Moon 0°07' M
t Venus-Saturn sq 1°02'
t Saturn co r Saturn 1°06'
t Venus sq r Mars 1°22' M
t Saturn sq r Mercury 1°48' M
t Venus sq r Uranus 2°04' M
t Venus sq r Saturn 2°11'

r Moon-Pluto co 0°39'
r Mercury-Saturn sq 1°22'
r Mercury-Mars sq 1°54' M
Jim Eshelman
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Re: Marion's SLR

Post by SteveS » Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:31 am

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