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Demi-SLR 7/1/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:57 pm

The first half of the SLR was marked by working on a relatively large written assignment (finished on the first day of the Demi), probably larger and more in-depth than any I've worked on for at least the past three years. Over that period, I've grown less accustomed to (and, frankly, less fond of) academic work, as I've no longer been required to do such work too often.

The Demi reinforces many of the same factors, but with noteworthy transits keeping it fresh:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Mo 10Cn06'34" 04N55 +11°56' 128°49' 23N44  71°14' -15°33'  16°23'  96% F
Su 14Ge33'42" 00N00 +57'13" 100°28' 23N05  58°11' + 6°59' 351°48'  83% F
Pl 02Cp44'25" 02S06 - 1'21" 300°20' 22S40 248°29' + 8°10' 188°46'  80% F
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                            Radical Planets                             
Ur 07Cp23'29" 00S32 + 0°03' 304°51' 20S08 252°47' +10°38' 191°07'  98% F
Mo 10Cp06'34" 04N54 +15°01' 306°18' 14S13 258°44' + 9°01' 189°12'  96% F
Me 07Cp54'06" 00S22 + 1°13' 305°20' 19S51 253°15' +10°54' 191°22'  95% F
Ne 01Cp44'01" 00N29 + 0°02' 298°43' 20S19 249°48' + 5°42' 186°05'  90% F
Ju 14Sg48'02" 00N11 + 0°11' 280°42' 22S53 238°29' - 6°55' 171°54'  83% F
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects  
tSu op rJu 00°06'100% M rMo co rNe 03°07' 73% M  tMo sq tUr 00°32' 99% M
tPl co rMo 00°26' 99% M                          tMa sq tPl 00°28' 99%  
tPl co rMe 02°37' 81% M                           ----------------------
tPl co rUr 02°22' 85% M                          tSu sq rVe 00°25'100%  
tPl co rNe 01°00' 97%                            tMa sq rNe 00°33' 99%  
----------------------                           tNe co rSa 00°19'100% M
rMo co rMe 02°11' 87% M                                                 
rMo co rUr 01°56' 90% M                                                 
rMe co rUr 00°15'100% M                                                 

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Re: Demi-SLR 7/1/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:45 pm

I have a clear impression (going for several months now) that even very close aspects don't manifest too loudly if the planets involved aren't themselves closely angular. This chart was interesting in that regard.

Transiting Pluto conjunct natal Moon within half a degree didn't mark the fortnight like I'd expect from such a theoretically powerful transit. Not even Pluto conjunct the whole Moon-Mercury-Uranus-Neptune shebang! It was a feature, most clearly in the sense of intellectual indecision, pondering about the viability of the framework of important research I have to do. It's appropriate. But transiting Pluto is the least angular planet and, fittingly, this wasn't all that a Plutonian period, even with its close transits, including to a luminary.

However, what's intriguing is that the Sun to Jupiter transit permeated the period, in a way the Pluto transits did not. It was overall a pleasant, leisurely time, with recurring attention from friends and "authority figures." Transiting Sun and natal Jupiter are quite widely foreground, barely closer than Pluto, but the aspect between them is only 0°06'. It could be that the "overwhelming closeness" of the aspect, well, overwhelmed the other factors somewhat, and compensated for the wide angularity of the involved planets.

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Re: Demi-SLR 7/1/22

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:27 pm

Very interesting observations. The importance seems clearly an interrelationship of closeness of angularity and closeness of aspect orb. Mike and I have discussed some eventual tools for TMSA that I don't think will be very useful for a natal but will be useful (if we get it right) for return charts.

In the meantime, we can apply a little common sense and a little art.

Another example is my current Demi-SLR. For home (where it occurred), Pluto is barely foreground and there are pretty close transits by Pluto to a couple of natal factors; but, even seven miles away at my office, Pluto isn't foreground, those transits fall away. If nothing else, this demonstrates how barely foreground the Pluto is. I ultimately decided to just ignore those aspects. (Those certainly been irrelevant to the main events so far.)

One and off, I've played with a way of using different font sizes to mark SLR aspects so that I can list them in the order of orb but visually weight them according to how foreground they are. Maybe it's interesting to apply this to your current chart? Let's try it out...

By my usual way of laying these out, the chart would like this this:

t Pluto on Dsc -8°46'
r Neptune on Dsc -6°05'
r Mercury on WP-a -1°21'

r Uranus on WP-a -0°52'
-------------------------
r Moon on WP +1°08'
r Jupiter on Dsc +8°06'
t Sun on Asc +8°12'


t Sun op r Jupiter 0°06' M
t Pluto co r Moon 0°26' M

t Pluto co r Neptune 1°00'
t Pluto co r Uranus 2°22' M
t Pluto co r Mercury 2°37' M

r Mercury-Uranus co 0°15' M
r Moon-Uranus co 1°56' M
r Moon-Mercury co 2°11' M



But instead of this... using the same sequence of listing the aspects... what visual cues can we get from weighting them according to the relative angularity of the planets forming them (just broadly sorting partile vs. Class 1, 2, or 3 angularity)? The aspects look like this:

t Sun op r Jupiter 0°06' M
t Pluto co r Moon 0°26' M
t Pluto co r Neptune 1°00'
t Pluto co r Uranus 2°22' M
t Pluto co r Mercury 2°37' M

r Mercury-Uranus co 0°15' M
r Moon-Uranus co 1°56' M
r Moon-Mercury co 2°11' M


I guess I'm not sure how helpful this is. It doesn't inflate the Sun-Jupiter as much as I thought it might but it does make the natal aspects stand out much more vividly. Seeing now, I think it doesn't match your observations at all. (I didn't find it useful enough to keep doing the extra work to produce this kind of scaling, though I think SOMETHING like this concept might be useful.) - Just meandering thought, I guess.
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SLR 7/14/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:18 pm

If anything, I liked your usual format better for that one.

Hard to gauge the relative voice of the natal Moon-Mercury-Uranus conjunction given it's my natal signature anyway, but it did continue to have a prominence it wasn't having for a while before the June 17 SLR (where it was also featured, in that case with all three Class 1 angularities). In that first fortnight (see my description three posts above), there was something that I think could be called a relatively "Outstanding Incident."

And speaking of "Outstanding Incidents," here is tomorrow's SLR:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Ur 23Ar11'31" 00S22 + 1'55"  45°53' 16N55 289°06' - 0°52' 179°05' 100% F
Mo 10Cp06'34" 04S53 +15°10' 308°48' 23S43 182°14' -36°13'  93°03'  97% F
Ma 11Ar28'49" 01S47 +41'04"  34°48' 12N01 279°27' - 7°42' 172°11'  88% F
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                            Radical Planets                             
Mo 10Cp06'34" 04N54 +15°01' 306°18' 14S13 179°15' -45°45'  89°16' 100% F
Me 07Cp54'06" 00S22 + 1°13' 305°20' 19S51 178°09' -40°06'  87°49'  99% F
Ur 07Cp23'29" 00S32 + 0°03' 304°51' 20S08 177°34' -39°48'  87°05'  98% F
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects  
tMa sq rMo 01°22' 95%   tMa sq rMe 03°35' 65%    tVe sq tNe 00°33' 99%  
tUr sq rMo 00°12'100% M tMa sq rUr 04°05' 55%     ----------------------
tUr sq rMe 01°16' 96% M                          tVe sq rMa 00°47' 98% M
tUr sq rUr 01°59' 89% M                          tJu co rVe 00°03'100% M
----------------------                           tNe co rSa 00°09'100% M
rMo co rMe 01°28' 94% M                          tPl co rNe 00°42' 99%  
rMo co rUr 02°11' 87% M                                                 
rMe co rUr 00°31' 99%                                                   

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Demi-SLR 7/28/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:39 pm

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Sa 28Cp05'29" 01S16 - 4'10" 325°55' 15S00 175°20' -44°50'  85°19'  94% F
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                            Radical Planets                             
Pl 08Sc20'13" 13N06 + 0'37" 243°52' 07S57  99°09' + 0°06' 359°54' 100% F
Su 03Aq14'10" 00N00 + 1°01' 330°27' 12S04 181°37' -47°53'  91°28'  99% F
Ma 06Aq45'23" 01S03 + 0°47' 334°12' 11S48 187°06' -47°54'  96°22'  89% F
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects  
rSu sq rPl 01°33' 93% M tSa sq rPl 04°35' 44% M  tMe sq tUr 00°20'100%  
rMa sq rPl 01°35' 93%    ----------------------  tMa co tUr 00°56' 98% M
                        rSu co rMa 03°31' 66%     ----------------------
                                                 tSu op rMo 00°27' 99%  
                                                 tJu co rVe 00°01'100% M
                                                 tNe co rSa 00°16'100% M
                                                 tPl co rNe 00°09'100% M
Transiting Sedna is also involved:

t Sedna on WP-a 0°48'
t Saturn-Sedna sq. 1°05' M
t Sedna sq. r Sun 1°31'
t Sedna sq. r Mars 2°01'
t Sedna op. r Pluto 3°31' M

Last Thursday morning, a few hours before this set up, my sister, who already had a persistent cough for about a month, started to cough up a substantial amount of blood. Tuberculosis was my first thought (I had it in late 2013, early 2014), and it turned out to be the case, but it was scary at first (too much blood too suddenly) and she had to stay at the hospital for four days. She's home now and doing much better, undergoing treatment. Her current SLR is quite benefic, but she had Mars transiting her Neptune during the initial experience, as well as longer-term Neptune transiting her Pluto and Saturn.

Besides that situation, the reason I took longer to post this than I normally would was that my computer wasn't turning on properly, and I thought I would have to get it repaired again. Fortunately, I managed to fix it myself within a couple of days.

Overall, this chart has been quite accurate. But what about the "Outstanding" full SLR, did it deliver? Not as impressively as I would have expected. The symbolism of the planets involved is entirely appropriate. The main event of that first fortnight was that I met up with two important friends whom I hadn't seen in over six years. Their importance to me, particularly of one of them, might push this into "Outstanding" territory or thereabouts. If the angularities or the transits were a tad farther away, it would be just another unambiguous hit.

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Re: POM Lunar Returns

Post by SteveS » Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:18 am

Patrick, FWIW, I classify for my life "outstanding incidents" charts as anything manifesting which is 'out of the ordinary' relative to my normal daily activities. The closer a planet(s) involving a partile aspect to an angle or angles, the more expressive the incident is noticed by the native with the symbolism of the planets involved in the aspect. I first look for eclipto aspects, and then for any possible mundane aspects, particulariley if they are angular.

Also FWIW, I like using the Node because it usually tells me with higher % the incident may involve new people in the environment or a person known that is not normally in the immeadiate environment. For example: My wife's current DSLR has a very active Node with partile/tight aspects bringing a new Doctor into her life which has important meaning for her life, even with the Node not angular.

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Re: POM Lunar Returns

Post by Patrick Machado » Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:28 am

SteveS wrote:
Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:18 am
Patrick, FWIW, I classify for my life "outstanding incidents" charts as anything manifesting which is 'out of the ordinary' relative to my normal daily activities.
That clear definition certainly makes it easier for me to declare the current SLR "Outstanding," as well as, say, the June 17 one and the March 27 one.

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Re: POM Lunar Returns

Post by SteveS » Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:23 am

Patrick, "outstanding incident" SLRs have been huge guiding posts for my life. I am glad you are looking at em.

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SLR 8/10/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:36 pm

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Mo 10Cp06'34" 04S53 +15°05' 308°48' 23S42 330°21' +82°47' 266°25'  97% F
Su 23Cn24'01" 00S00 +57'32" 140°53' 15N18 208°51' -73°27'  98°10'  83% F
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                            Radical Planets                             
Mo 10Cp06'34" 04N54 +15°01' 306°18' 14S13 338°09' +73°07' 263°33'  91% F
Me 07Cp54'06" 00S22 + 1°13' 305°20' 19S51 325°07' +77°50' 262°58'  87% F
Ur 07Cp23'29" 00S32 + 0°03' 304°51' 20S08 322°34' +77°50' 262°32'  85% F
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    Class 1 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects                          
rMo co rMe 00°35' 99% M tSu sq tUr 00°24'100%                           
rMo co rUr 01°02' 97% M tSa sq tUr 00°15'100% M                         
rMe co rUr 00°27' 99% M  ----------------------                         
                        tMa sq rSu 01°00' 97% M                         
                        tJu sq rJu 00°28' 99% M                         
                        tNe co rSa 00°42' 99%                           
                        tPl co rNe 00°03'100%                           
                         ----------------------                         
                        rMa sq rPl 00°22'100% M                         
A pretty minor one for a change.

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Re: POM Lunar Returns

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:37 pm

A good chance to let your mind play with fun stuff that really interests you - that, perhaps, you've been too preoccupied to dive into.
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Re: POM Lunar Returns

Post by Patrick Machado » Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:41 am

It has been that way. Not even Pluto going exactly on my Neptune shook things up too much this time.

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Demi-SLR 8/24/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Tue Aug 23, 2022 4:51 pm

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Ju 12Pi28'52" 01S33 - 5'05"   7°32' 01N34  90°19' - 3°41'   3°41'  96% F
Me 03Vi49'55" 01S48 + 1°04' 178°16' 01S12 265°59' - 4°31' 175°29'  94% F
Ne 29Aq35'13" 01S13 - 1'30" 355°34' 03S15  88°30' + 9°05' 350°55'  79% F
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                            Radical Planets                             
Ju 14Sg48'02" 00N11 + 0°11' 280°42' 22S53  40°48' +80°46' 276°04'  90% F
Ve 14Pi58'40" 00S03 + 1°10'   9°14' 03N56  89°07' - 6°21'   6°21'  89% F
Sa 29Aq12'27" 02S02 + 0°07' 355°32' 04S08  89°17' + 9°33' 350°27'  77% F
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects  
tJu co rVe 02°30' 83%   tMe op tNe 04°15' 52%    tSu sq tMa 00°22'100% M
tJu sq rJu 02°19' 85%    ----------------------   ----------------------
tNe co rSa 00°23'100%   tMe op rSa 04°37' 43%    tSu op rMa 00°02'100%  
----------------------                           tSu sq rPl 00°04'100% M
rVe sq rJu 00°11'100%                            tMa sq rMa 00°26' 99% M
                                                 tMa op rPl 00°19'100% M
                                                 tPl co rNe 00°13'100%  
                                                  ----------------------
                                                 rMa sq rPl 00°07'100% M
Not bad at all. This is a first taste of the upcoming Jupiter to natal Venus-Jupiter transit that will constitute the core of my next SSR.

With how unimportant aspects between planets that are widely foreground have seemed, I question whether Neptune on Saturn here is meaningfully anything more than "a transit that's happening right now anyway." (Also, that's some intense stuff going on with the non-foreground partile aspects.)

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Re: POM Lunar Returns

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:10 pm

Looks like a great chart.
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Re: POM Lunar Returns

Post by Patrick Machado » Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:15 am

A belated report on the previous chart: It marked a very positive fortnight, with one benefic outcome at its beginning and another toward its end.

The first thing was that I finally arrived at a satisfactory plan of action for the major piece of academic work I have left to do, which brought me a great deal of peace of mind, and set the tone for the following days.

The second thing was that—keeping it simple and not going into detail—a friend who recently became single, and whom I'm very interested in, agreed to go on a date with me. Alright, I'll mention one detail, because the symbolism is just too good. I went to talk to her with the intention of asking her out, but before I could, she said she had gotten back together with her ex-boyfriend. Then, during the course of that same conversation, they broke up again.

So, yes, a great chart.

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SLR 9/7/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:57 am

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Pl 01Cp17'20" 02S11 - 0'50" 298°48' 23S02 181°50' -36°55'  92°26'  98% F
Ur 23Ar47'11" 00S22 - 0'41"  46°29' 17N04 294°33' + 7°15' 187°58'  84% F
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                            Radical Planets                             
Ne 01Cp44'01" 00N29 + 0°02' 298°43' 20S19 181°50' -39°37'  92°13'  99% F
Mo 10Cp06'34" 04N54 +15°01' 306°18' 14S13 192°28' -44°53' 102°14'  78% F
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects  
tPl co rNe 00°13'100% M tUr sq rMo 04°16' 51% M  tVe sq rPl 00°30' 99%  
                                                 tNe co rSa 00°02'100%  
                                                  ----------------------
                                                 rMo co rMe 00°26' 99% M
Also:

t Eris co r Eris 0°08' M
r Eris on D 0°15'
t Eris on D 0°23'
t Pluto-Eris sq 1°30'
t Eris sq r Neptune 1°50' M
r Neptune-Eris sq 1°58' M
t Pluto sq r Eris 2°11' M

No outstanding incident so far. Definitely a Neptunian tone for this past week. Plutonian, not quite.

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Re: SLR 9/7/22

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:42 am

So Pluto's transit to your Neptune is the big deal this time. How has this been feeling/manifesting? (Your Neptune is a few minutes from square my Neptune - I've been getting the same transit for about a year, on and off - so I'm curious how this is showing for you.)

Given that and the more widely foreground Uranus (which squares your Moon a bit), this should at least be a really interesting month.
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Re: SLR 9/7/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:04 pm

The "proceedings" with my aforementioned friend came to a halt today. We've left a door open, but this was definitely a Plutonian hit. The energy I was putting forth was more Neptunian than, say, Venusian, and it was what was hit with this "interruption." It was more stressful than anything, in the sense of spending time and energy on something uncertain and outside of my usual ways, and since I have plenty of other things to do with said time and energy, it was frustrating to have it seemingly go to waste. Once we cleared up where we stood (basically the ball being on her court), I felt a lot better.

I consider this a clean hit, though not representative of my experience of the long-term transit itself. That has been less event-oriented, and more to do with "adjusting to feeling ever-increasingly exposed or vulnerable," stirring anxieties up and keeping them up until my way of perceiving their roots shifted.

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Re: SLR 9/7/22

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:46 pm

Patrick Machado wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:04 pm
I consider this a clean hit, though not representative of my experience of the long-term transit itself. That has been less event-oriented, and more to do with "adjusting to feeling ever-increasingly exposed or vulnerable," stirring anxieties up and keeping them up until my way of perceiving their roots shifted.
There are a LOT of times (most times?) I don't think a transit by itself means the same thing as a transit highlighted by being foreground in a lunar. This is because it's not just highlighting - it's adding other factors. Whereas transiting Pluto to natal Neptune is one factor that has a life and character of its own, here it coexists with the separate, distinct elements of (1) transiting Pluto closely angular and (2) natal Neptune closely angular. You have to interweave the three separate interpretations.

So, yes, the return might have an experience that is more immediately event oriented; and the transit itself is more of a gradual internal psychological process that may or may not ripen into an event. Your wording of it is interesting to me. (For me, it's been evolving points of view on various things concurrent with finding new ways to sharpen the psychological and verbal modelling of reality - more or less.)
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Demi-SLR 9/21/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:50 pm

Now using the output from TMSA 0.4.8.0, the latest version. (Tweaked as usual for presentation.)

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Mo 10Cn 6'34"  5N 4 +12° 0' 128°51' 23N53  62°12' - 0° 7'   0° 8' 100% A 
Sa 24Cp21'24"  1S19 - 2'58" 322°16' 16S15 255°14' + 6°59' 187°13'  99% Wa
Pl  1Cp 8' 6"  2S12 - 0'30" 298°39' 23S 4 237°26' - 8° 0' 170°32'  77% D 
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                            Radical Planets                             
Me  7Cp54' 6"  0S22 + 1°13' 305°20' 19S51 243°44' - 4°51' 174°36'  92% D 
Ur  7Cp23'29"  0S32 + 3'16" 304°51' 20S 8 243°14' - 5° 3' 174°21'  91% D 
Su  3Aq14'10"  0N 0 + 1° 1' 330°27' 12S 4 262°50' +11°55' 192° 1'  90% Wl
Mo 10Cp 6'34"  4N54 +15° 1' 306°18' 14S13 248°57' - 7°14' 172°16'  84% D 
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects  
tPl co rMo  1°44' 92% M tSa co rSu  4°48' 39% M  tSu co tMe  0°11'100% M
----------------------  tPl co rMe  4° 4' 55% M  tSu sq tMa  0° 7'100% M
rMo co rMe  2°12' 86%   tPl co rUr  3°49' 61% M  tMe sq tMa  0° 4'100% M
rMo co rUr  2° 5' 88% M                          tSa sq tUr  0°48' 98%  
rMe co rUr  0°16'100% M                          tUr sq tPl  0°42' 99% M
                                                  ----------------------
                                                 tUr sq rNe  0°55' 98% M
                                                 tNe co rSa  0°21'100%  
                                                 tPl co rNe  0°36' 99%  
                                                  ----------------------
                                                 rSu sq rPl  0°54' 98% M

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Re: Demi-SLR 9/21/22

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:26 pm

At least you get cool new features even if it's for a lousy chart LOL.

I'm not really comfortable seeing transiting Moon and Saturn tightly angular AND a close Pluto transit to Moon foreground AND transiting Saturn to natal Sun (though that one is wide).
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Re: Demi-SLR 9/21/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:39 pm

If it's anything like my previous experiences, I expect Pluto on Moon to be practically unnoticeable due to the wide angularities. In any case, I do have the saving grace of Jupiter currently passing through solar angles.

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Re: Demi-SLR 9/21/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:29 pm

Under this chart I went on a 5-day water fast. I didn't do it with the intention of it being Saturn's means of expression: I already wanted to do it and, since I'm not going to get the chance again anytime soon (it compromises productivity too much), I went for it. Turns out that was a lot, perhaps most, of the chart's Saturn. A lot of physical and emotional discomfort. Some outside of the fast, too. And plenty to do, most of which I didn't get done during the fast. I think Saturn's score at 99% is more accurate than it was with the former minor angle curve, which put it at 95%.

Moon can be taken together with Saturn as "resisting feeding," and by itself as the strong emotions that arose (I had almost forgotten fasting does that for me) and the filling food that followed.

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SLR 10/4/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:48 pm

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
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Pl  8Sc20'13" 13N 6 + 0'37" 243°52'  7S57 350°26' +67°39' 266° 6'  96% M 
Ma  6Aq45'23"  1S 3 +47'27" 334°12' 11S48  98°39' + 8°43' 351°11'  80% A 
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    Class 1 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects                          
rMa sq rPl  1°35' 93%   tMa sq tNe  0°54' 98% M                         
                        tSa sq tUr  0°37' 99%                           
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                        tMe op rSa  0°26' 99%                           
                        tNe co rSa  0°39' 99% M                         
                        tPl co rNe  0°40' 99%                           
Not a favorite, but a breather chart compared to the ones surrounding it.

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Re: SLR 10/4/22

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:34 pm

Patrick Machado wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:48 pm
Not a favorite, but a breather chart compared to the ones surrounding it.
Overall, a pretty minor chart. Shouldn't be a big deal. As you say, a moment to take a breath.

But don't you just love the angle designations? Such a small thing - I appreciate it a dozen times a day.
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Re: POM Lunar Returns

Post by Patrick Machado » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:34 pm

Yep! The small additions really shine in TMSA since it's already been so great from day one.

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Demi-SLR 10/18/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:09 am

Behold.

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
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Ve 29Vi 3'50"  1N10 + 1°15' 202°46'  8S17 359°14' +68°15' 269°42' 100% M 
Su  0Li 9'42"  0N 0 +59'34" 203°22'  9S45   0°54' +69°43' 270°20' 100% M 
Mo 10Cn 6'34"  5N12 +11°56' 128°54' 24N 1 298°30' + 0°42' 180°48' 100% D 
Pl  1Cp 5' 3"  2S12 + 0'17" 298°35' 23S 5 112°45' + 6°51' 352°34'  99% El
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                            Radical Planets                             
Me  7Cp54' 6"  0S22 + 1°13' 305°20' 19S51 113°13' - 0°11'   0°12' 100% A 
Ur  7Cp23'29"  0S32 + 3'16" 304°51' 20S 8 113°13' + 0°21' 359°37' 100% A 
Ne  1Cp44' 1"  0N29 + 2' 1" 298°44' 20S19 110°24' + 5°22' 354°16'  98% El
Mo 10Cp 6'34"  4N54 +15° 1' 306°18' 14S13 108°56' - 3°59'   4°12'  95% A 
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects  
tMo sq tSu  0°28' 99% M tSu sq rMo  3°52' 59% M  tSa sq tUr  0°50' 98%  
tMo sq tVe  1° 6' 97% M tVe sq rMo  4°31' 46% M   ----------------------
tSu co tVe  0°38' 99% M                          tMa sq rSa  0°22'100%  
tSu sq tPl  0°55' 98%                                                   
tVe sq tPl  2° 1' 89%                                                   
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tMo op rMe  0°35' 99% M                                                 
tMo op rUr  1°11' 96% M                                                 
tSu sq rMe  0° 8'100% M                                                 
tSu sq rUr  0°43' 99% M                                                 
tSu sq rNe  1°34' 93%                                                   
tVe sq rMe  0°31' 99% M                                                 
tVe sq rUr  0° 4'100% M                                                 
tVe sq rNe  2°40' 80%                                                   
tPl co rNe  0°39' 99%                                                   
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rMo co rMe  2°12' 86%                                                   
rMo co rUr  2°43' 80%                                                   
rMe co rUr  0°31' 99%                                                   

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Re: Demi-SLR 10/18/22

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:14 am

Wow! A really nice chart. (You may be the weird guy in the mix, but everyone involved is having a good time and you're having fun tumbling through realities.) New relationship on the immediate horizon?
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Re: Demi-SLR 10/18/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:45 pm

It was a pleasant fortnight overall, as well as intellectually busy. It wasn't a very social time, however. It felt like the natal factors ruled the show. The most fitting incident for the transiting factors was making plans to meet up with a very dear and important friend whom I haven't seen in almost four years. (That's supposed to be tomorrow, under the new, dreadful SLR.) I initiated contact, for what it's worth. I think the transiting luminaries are the main factors that seemed less evident than we would have expected. This period was distinctly low-key for me. (I bring attention to the fact that the most angular planet in the full SLR was natal Pluto, which was noticeable.)

If there were to be any relationship-related developments (as the chart strongly suggested), I think only one specific person could have fit the bill at this time, and we didn't talk throughout the fortnight.

My country's elections yesterday did go my way, which warrants a mention.

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SLR 10/31/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:54 pm

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Ma  0Ge32'35"  0N31 - 1'16"  85°11' 23N52  68°52' -11°22'  12°10' 100% Ea
Ne 27Aq53'11"  1S13 - 1' 2" 354° 0'  3S55 356°26' +63°51' 268°15'  99% M 
Ju  4Pi38' 6"  1S33 - 4'33"   0°20'  1S33   9°54' +61°10' 275°25'  92% M 
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                            Radical Planets                             
Sa 29Aq12'27"  2S 2 + 6'57" 355°32'  4S 8 359°55' +64° 6' 269°58' 100% M 
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects  
tMa sq tNe  2°39' 81%   tMa sq tJu  4° 6' 55%    tMe sq rMe  0°44' 98%  
----------------------                           tPl co rNe  0°33' 99%  
tMa sq rSa  1°20' 95%                             ----------------------
tNe co rSa  1°19' 95%                            rMo co rUr  1° 0' 97% M
                                                 rMe co rUr  0°19'100% M
It's on.

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Re: POM Lunar Returns

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:09 pm

Er, uh... be careful?

Masks are still in fashion.

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Demi-SLR 11/14/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:40 pm

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Ma 28Ta50' 1"  1N12 -13'21"  83°17' 24N30  69°14' -13°24'  14°18'  98% Ea
Ne 27Aq41'26"  1S13 - 0'38" 353°49'  4S 0   5°13' +63°52' 272°33'  98% M 
Ju  3Pi52'58"  1S30 - 1'52" 359°37'  1S48  16°45' +60°44' 279°11'  79% M 
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                            Radical Planets                             
Sa 29Aq12'27"  2S 2 + 6'57" 355°32'  4S 8   9° 8' +63°50' 274°28'  95% M 
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects  
tMa sq tNe  1° 9' 96%   tJu co rSa  4°41' 42%    tSu sq rMa  0°40' 99% M
----------------------                           tVe sq rSu  0° 6'100%  
tMa sq rSa  0°22'100%                            tVe co rPl  0°36' 99% M
tNe co rSa  1°31' 94%                            tPl co rNe  0°20'100%  
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                                                 rMo co rUr  0°51' 98% M
                                                 rMe co rUr  0°19'100% M
It's much the same. Will this compound the full Return and reflect a more difficult fortnight?

For now I'll say that there was a specific incident very early in the month that set the emotional tone for the following days, and it's felt like a constant (not uninterrupted, but constant) Mars-Neptune transit to my Saturn, the feeling of which largely sprang from that one incident. Fortunately, the only physical manifestation has been an unusual presence of aches.

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Re: Demi-SLR 11/14/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:07 pm

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Will this compound the full Return and reflect a more difficult fortnight?
The whole month has felt quite uniform, but I suppose there was a larger pile of troubles and concerns during the second half. Features included, but were not limited to, low energy, insomnia, toothache, and (especially a magnified awareness of) financial scarcity.

This was unambiguously the worst month of the year for me. Unpleasant, stressful, and defined by insecurity. There was the saving grace of the fact that I knew that, both astrologically and otherwise, things are due to improve soon, so there wasn't opportunity for something like despair.

I did get (relatively) a lot of work done, and finally reached a point of easing of academic concerns (which was a substantial part of the period's heaviness) toward the end of the charts' lifespan.

Astrology working precisely AND no permanent damage. Sometimes, it's about the simple things in life.

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Re: POM Lunar Returns

Post by Veronica » Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:11 am

One of my favorite quotes
“I have found that it is the small everyday deed of ordinary folks that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love.” Gandalf to a small Hobbit who didnt think his actions would have any impact on the bigger picture.

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SLR 11/28/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:34 pm

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Mo 10Cp 6'34"  5S11 +14°33' 308°54' 24S 0 195°11' -34°24' 110°56' 100% N 
Pl  1Cp39'41"  2S13 + 1'22" 299°13' 23S 0 184°36' -36°50'  96° 6'  90% I 
Ur 21Ar 5'21"  0S22 - 2'18"  43°47' 16N19 293°32' + 7° 8' 187°46'  84% D 
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                            Radical Planets                             
Mo 10Cp 6'34"  4N54 +15° 1' 306°18' 14S13 195° 8' -44°29' 104°53' 100% N 
Ne  1Cp44' 1"  0N29 + 2' 1" 298°44' 20S19 184°16' -39°32'  95° 9'  93% I 
Me  7Cp54' 6"  0S22 + 1°13' 305°20' 19S51 192°19' -39°11' 104°40'  91% N 
Ur  7Cp23'29"  0S32 + 3'16" 304°51' 20S 8 191°40' -38°59' 104° 2'  77% N 
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    Class 1 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects                          
tUr sq tPl  1°40' 92% M tMe co tVe  0°55' 98% M                         
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tUr sq rNe  2°37' 81% M tJu sq rJu  0° 0'100% M                         
tPl co rNe  0° 4'100%                                                   
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rMo co rMe  0°14'100% M                                                 
rMo co rUr  0°52' 98% M                                                 
rMe co rUr  0°31' 99%                                                   
Definite improvements aside, stress remains high, and I expect that to continue for a few weeks. (Which fits this chart, as well as progressed Moon on natal Neptune with transiting Pluto right on top of it.)

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Re: SLR 11/28/22

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:57 pm

There does seem to be a lot of change in the wind - especially in rearrangement of the psyche.

When reviewing old returns to write Interpreting Solar Returns decades ago, something I hadn't seen in the books jumped out at me and made total sense: When Moon is strong in a return, the main characteristic is often that you feel everything else in the chart (and probably every other astrological factor) with unusual intensity. They seem "bigger" charts. A Moon-Neptune progression will amplify sensitivity as well. The backdrop of all of this, then, is feeling everything vividly and intensely.

That your new SLR has a close Uranus-Pluto square, and that Uranus-Pluto both aspect your Neptune, should make for an interesting ride through inner space. I'm not sure objective events will happen from this. (They could, of course: Uranus-Pluto radical revision of circumstances drawing lunar and Neptunian response from you; but the main (direct) effect seems more likely to be in consciousness.

That 0°00' Jupiter-Jupiter transit seems to say that it's not going to be all bad (and maybe none of it is). But there's a lot of inner processing and changing your mind (or the shape of your mind) about things.
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Re: SLR 11/28/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:01 pm

Right on. Not much seeming to happen outwardly. Inwardly it's been busier, and perhaps I haven't been giving that as much attention as I could (or should) because I have work to do, but life doesn't wait. (That's a theme that's been popping up.) On the more visibly productive front, organizing information and writing have been flowing well, and that's what I needed at this time.

The 0º00' Jupiter-Jupiter aspect may have contributed to things working well and even this fortnight having a more leisurely feel than I'd have expected. (There aren't really any major benefic factors at work currently.) These overwhelmingly close orbs (at least within 0°10') keep drawing my attention.

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Demi-SLR 12/12/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:08 pm

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
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Mo 10Cn 6'34"  5N 7 +11°51' 128°53' 23N56   0° 4' +36° 2' 270° 6' 100% M 
Sa 25Cp35'35"  1S15 + 4'42" 323°28' 15S48 199° 7' -42° 3' 109°58'  98% N 
Ur 20Ar35'40"  0S22 - 1'55"  43°18' 16N11 286°14' - 4°16' 175°33'  95% D 
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                            Radical Planets                             
Mo 10Cp 6'34"  4N54 +15° 1' 306°18' 14S13 176°30' -45°41'  86°36'  97% I 
Me  7Cp54' 6"  0S22 + 1°13' 305°20' 19S51 175°43' -40° 0'  84°55'  93% I 
Ur  7Cp23'29"  0S32 + 3'16" 304°51' 20S 8 175°10' -39°41'  84°12'  91% I 
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects  
tUr sq rMo  1° 3' 97% M tMo sq tUr  4°32' 45% M  tPl co rNe  0°17'100%  
tUr sq rMe  0°38' 99% M tSa sq tUr  5° 0' 34%                           
tUr sq rUr  1°21' 95% M                                                 
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rMo co rMe  1°40' 92% M                                                 
rMo co rUr  2°24' 84% M                                                 
rMe co rUr  0°31' 99%                                                   
A close mundane transit of Uranus to natal Moon-Mercury-Uranus shows up again. Were it not for the Saturn, that would easily be something to look forward to. It might still be if it manifests more or less separately. Saturn doesn't aspect anything closely. It also makes sense at this conjuncture (unfinished work).

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Re: POM Lunar Returns

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:39 pm

More often than not, I find the aspects having the most to say. Still, Saturn is most angular and surely will set a tone.
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Re: Demi-SLR 12/12/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Sat Dec 24, 2022 11:55 am

Saturn took the lead. The work featured moments of great heaviness and insecurity regarding it being doable satisfactorily and on time. But I'm through with the worst of it. Just need to tie it all up within the next several days, and I foresee no significant hiccups.

I invited a professor whom I admire very much, and hadn't had contact with for four years, as the external evaluator for my work's presentation next month, and she promptly accepted. I had the idea after a colleague mentioned her in a WhatsApp group while I was trying to figure this out. It hadn't panned out with my and my supervising professor's previous picks of who to invite, so this was a welcome surprise. I hadn't thought of her before largely because of the time passage, I reckon. If there was one major manifestation of transiting Uranus's aspects, this was it.

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SLR 12/25/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Sun Dec 25, 2022 2:32 pm

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
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Su  8Sg44'49"  0S 0 + 1° 1' 274° 9' 23S23 358°24' +83°21' 269°49' 100% Z 
Ju  5Pi25'23"  1S19 + 6'11"   0°58'  1S 1  89°11' + 3°26' 356°34'  97% A 
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                            Radical Planets                             
Ju 14Sg48' 2"  0N11 +11'15" 280°43' 22S53  40° 2' +80°52' 275°54'  91% M 
Ve 14Pi58'40"  0S 3 + 1°10'   9°14'  3N56  89° 2' - 6°12'   6°12'  90% A 
Sa 29Aq12'27"  2S 2 + 6'57" 355°32'  4S 8  89°11' + 9°41' 350°19'  76% A 
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects  
rVe sq rJu  0°11'100%   tSu sq tJu  3°15' 71% M  tPl co rNe  0°37' 99% M
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                                                 rMa sq rPl  0° 6'100% M
Already noticeable from yesterday. Pleasant psychological atmosphere, physical indulgence, concerns eased, and confidence increased regarding the immediate future.

Under this chart (though also under the upcoming, less pleasant Demi), I am due to start my final professional internship (January 9), as well as to deliver the aforementioned presentation (January 17), which is very fitting.

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Re: POM Lunar Returns

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Dec 25, 2022 2:35 pm

Sweet - and a definite shift from the outgoing chart.
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Demi-SLR 1/8/23

Post by Patrick Machado » Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:24 am

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
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Ma 13Ta11'30"  2N51 - 3'24"  66° 0' 24N29 128°42' -81°27'  83°19'  88% I 
Ne 27Aq56'48"  1S11 + 1'11" 354° 3'  3S52  98°46' - 7°18'   7°23'  86% A 
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                            Radical Planets                             
Sa 29Aq12'27"  2S 2 + 6'57" 355°33'  4S 8  99°47' - 8°26'   8°33'  81% A 
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    Class 1 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects                          
tNe co rSa  1°10' 96% M tVe co rMo  0°32' 99% M                         
                        tPl co rNe  0°37' 99% M                         
A seemingly thin overlay of unpleasantness I woke up to today. (Fittingly, after sleeping few hours.) Lying in bed, concerns about the immediate future sprang to mind. The fortnight is, in any case, set to feature a measure of uncertainty and anxiety.

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Re: POM Lunar Returns

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:28 am

The good news is that those are all wide angularities. It won't be a high-impact SLR. In fact, to put it in perspective, rerun it deleting your Class 3 angularity orbs in Options. I think everything disappears.

But I'm sure you're going to have to deal with Neptune conjunct your Saturn.
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SLR 1/21/23

Post by Patrick Machado » Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:50 pm

The previous chart turned out to be even less important than I anticipated. Neptune transiting Saturn might have registered (as financial scarcity, or at least its looming shadow, for instance). The two major things I had mentioned were due to happen during the past two weeks happened and went really well—not that they weren't expected to.

The SLR that's setting in:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
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Pl  3Cp16'59"  2S17 + 1'58" 300°57' 22S43 194°38' -35°49' 109°17'  89% N 
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                            Radical Planets                             
Ne  1Cp44' 1"  0N29 + 2' 1" 298°44' 20S19 192°46' -38°37' 105°28'  99% N 
Ve 14Pi58'40"  0S 3 + 1°10'   9°15'  3N56 268°59' - 9°39' 170°21'  77% D 
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    Class 1 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects                          
tPl co rNe  1°33' 93%   tMe sq tJu  0°22'100% M                         
                        tVe co tSa  0°34' 99% M                         
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                        tSu co rUr  0°40' 99%                           
                        tMe co rJu  0°55' 98%                           
                        tJu sq rJu  0°57' 97% M                         
                        tNe co rSa  0°57' 97%                           
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                        rMo co rMe  0°27' 99% M                         
                        rMo co rUr  0° 7'100% M                         
It's already accurate in that I'm significantly more uncertain about what I'll encounter from life during these following weeks (and even beyond) than I've been in a while. There's an element of excitement in the air—not bad for a Neptunian chart.

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Re: Demi-SLR 7/1/22

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:36 pm

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Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:45 pm
I have a clear impression (going for several months now) that even very close aspects don't manifest too loudly if the planets involved aren't themselves closely angular. This chart was interesting in that regard.
While in theory I follow the rule that keeps confirming itself with ingresses ("If it's foreground at all, it's aspects count!"), I agree with you in practice. In fact - especially when the chart is complicated - I'll go back into the temporary options in TMSA and delete the Class 3 angularity orbs then rerun the chart. (Take my current Demi-SLR for Sierra Verde, Arizona, and look at the aspects; then drop the Class 3 angularities and see the very precise aspects on the bare periphery of angularity disappear.)

In theory, the two "curves" of angularity and aspect partility overlap somehow - with the strongest effects being when they come to a crest - but it's not as simple as "get two strength scores and multiply them" that we though 40-50 years ago.

But it's something like that.

But I look at your description - and see the date above that I take is 7 January 2022 - and wonder if you miscalculated this chart. I don't get any of the aspects you listed. Is this my mistake?
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Re: Demi-SLR 7/1/22

Post by Patrick Machado » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:18 pm

I've even been playing with mostly running Lunars with no angularities past 8° for major angles (7° seemed like it'd cut out more than I'd like too often) and 2° for minor angles (which also takes care of excluding squares to MC past 2°, something TMSA currently can't specifically take into account). Any widely foreground aspect I'd care to see would be partile anyway, so I can look at the non-foreground partile aspects for supplemental information much as I'd do on regular settings, without feeling like I'm missing anything.
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But I look at your description - and see the date above that I take is 7 January 2022 - and wonder if you miscalculated this chart. I don't get any of the aspects you listed. Is this my mistake?
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Re: POM Lunar Returns

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:39 pm

I see what happened. Somehow when I clicked in, the page only loaded to the top of the page and I thought I was looking at the new post. Most puzzling. (It normally would correctly load to the bottom.)

Never mind :)
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