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Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:31 am

A couple of days ago Jim renewed my interest in Solar Arc Directions by posting Trump had a partile SA Pluto partile cnj his Natal Jupiter on election day 2016, which certainly helps explain astrologically how Trump, a complete political DC outsider timed the unlikely event he becoming Prez.

Solar Arc Directions were held in high esteem by several prominent astrological writers, but somehow this forum has overlooked them. Maybe the reason for this is I can't recall ever seeing the prominent Sidereal Astrologers writers discuss much about Solar Arc Directions. Anyway, I just looked at some of my recent Solar Arc conjunctions to my Natal Planets and I was somewhat floored the acute dead-on symbolism they manifested in my life. In fact, taken as a stand alone aspect--it described my going on's in my life better than the Sidereal Astrology techniques i use for my astrological work.

I have a book here titled "Directions" Co Determinants of Fate by Reinhold Ebertin which I used to study many years ago but forgot about. Probably the main reason we tend to forget about the astrological importance of Solar Arcs is they only mature partile 0,90,180 aspects very slowly in life. Anyway, Jim has always endorsed Ebertin's astrological work and Jim endorses Ebertin's book on SA Directions so I will be offering some of Ebertin's examples in his book along with his words about Solar Arcs--maybe we all can renew our learning/remembrance about Solar Arcs.

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:01 am

Just noticed an important SA for Trump happening now.SA Venus 11,03 Vir; Natal Neptune 11,51 Vir. Ebertin says for this combo under negative manifestation:
A difficult realization of ideals and wishes, an awakening from emotional infatuation with the awareness of disappointment or disillusionment. Wrong ways...
Surprise, surprise, surprise... :lol:

And note for election date 2020 he receives SA Saturn to his Natal Neptune---bye bye Trump. :)

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:57 am

Jim, my first question to you pertaining to Solar Arc Directing with angles: Do we use birth location or event/relocated location?

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:06 pm

SteveS wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:57 am
Jim, my first question to you pertaining to Solar Arc Directing with angles: Do we use birth location or event/relocated location?
The default in German and similar circles has always been natal, with no consideration of local.

However, I think both are equally valid.
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Post by SteveS » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:04 pm

Yes, I understand Jim, thanks.

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Post by SteveS » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:52 pm

Quickly spot checking my colleague SA’s on Dec 26, 2018 for a heart attack and a week later triple by-pass surgery.

SA PL 06,48 Lib
NA MO 06,47 Aries
SA MC 3,11 Leo
NA PL 3,40 Leo

There is probably more SA hits with harmonic 8 aspects, but I need go no further looking at that SA PL NA MO hit. Without a doubt the most ‘stunning/shocking’ (Pluto) event to ever happen in his life.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:01 pm

Stunning indeed.

Technically, Solar Arcs have a 1° orb though I've usually seen mine having greatest effect almost exactly at exact (within a week or so of exact), with orbs under 0°05' common.

I've settled into a practical sense of being open to anything within a degree but, mostly, expecting something to be exact within a very few minutes, and then look around to see what else is there within a degree for details.

In your friend's case, d Pluto op. r Moon 0°01' is the main message - exactly on! - while the simultaneous (wider) presence of d MC conj. r Pluto (0°29') helps supplement and round out the picture. (Of course, you don't need Solar Arcs to get hits from Sun or MC, since they are identical with secondary progressions; but that Pluto to Moon is piercingly accurate.)
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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:10 pm

Exactly Jim! I was somewhat disappointed going through my stack of charts for the symbolism for this heart attack/surgery event, but when I rolled out the SA's hits---BINGO! Again a reminder for us not to forget keeping Solar Arcs in our stack of charts.

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Post by Danica » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:51 pm

Mile Dupor, a prolific and influential Balkan astrologer from beginning of 20th century, quickly came to fame in his environment by predicting events in people's lives based solely on Solar Arc Directions. He was not even going into fine calculations of 00*00', just giving the year of life and the type of event, based on planets involved.
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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:59 am

Danica wrote:
Mile Dupor, a prolific and influential Balkan astrologer from beginning of 20th century, quickly came to fame in his environment by predicting events in people's lives based solely on Solar Arc Directions. He was not even going into fine calculations of 00*00', just giving the year of life and the type of event, based on planets involved.
:) I can certainly understand your above statement Danica. Solar Arc Directions are so reliable from a timing and symbolic standpoint, they should definitely be in the astrologer's stack of charts no matter how the astrologer practices their stack of charts. Solar Arc Directions are once in a lifetime hits/cycles which leaves a huge imprint on one's psyche. Thanks for your input.

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:56 am

Since I had forgotten about the importance of Solar Arcs until recently, I have finally found what I consider the par-excellent symbolism for the US entering WW11 in 1941. It is seen in the Boyd Chart.

SA SUN 90 NA MARS

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:04 am

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SA SUN 90 NA MARS
That's great symbolism!

I noticed, though, that you seem to have your computer set for Q1 - you're basing these solar arcs on the Q1 Sun not the Q2 Sun. It's always possible that you're right in doing that, but it does defy the entire body of work the Ebertins and their co-workers did on solar arcs.

Recalculating it with Q2 Sun as the base, you still get the same aspect. Directed Sun is 6°30' Sagittarius, still in orb of natal Mars at 5°47' Virgo. In both calculations, there's another aspect at the same time that is quite strange, directed Venus opposite natal Mercury. For my Q2 calculations, it's applying by 07', while for your Q1 calculations it's applying by 49'.
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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:54 am

Jim wrote:
I noticed, though, that you seem to have your computer set for Q1 - you're basing these solar arcs on the Q1 Sun not the Q2 Sun. It's always possible that you're right in doing that, but it does defy the entire body of work the Ebertins and their co-workers did on solar arcs.
I doubled check and my SF (Version 7.01) was set to Q2, and the list generated for 'Directions to Radix' under 'Dynamic' gives me a SA Sun 5,47 Sag, Radical Mars 5,47 Vir-- date Mar 23 1941. Could this be a difference in our two different versions of SF??? I am very tempted to rectify Boyd's chart placing Boyd's radical Mars exact cnj Boyd's Asc with USA's declaration of War on Japan.

Jim, be sure and check out the upcoming action of Boyd's SA Pluto action with Boyd's radical. :shock:

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:09 am

SteveS wrote:
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I doubled check and my SF (Version 7.01) was set to Q2, and the list generated for 'Directions to Radix' under 'Dynamic' gives me a SA Sun 5,47 Sag, Radical Mars 5,47 Vir-- date Mar 23 1941. Could this be a difference in our two different versions of SF??? I am very tempted to rectify Boyd's chart placing Boyd's radical Mars exact cnj Boyd's Asc with USA's declaration of War on Japan.

OK, let me check this more carefully. (I only calculated the Q2 and saw your positions most of a degree earlier and assumed SF was using whatever progressed Sun rate you told it to use.)

BTW, I got caught up in your Solar Arc excitement and it never occurred to me (LOL) that this isn't a Solar Arc issue because you're using Sun. That is, it's just secondary progessed Sun which is ALSO the Solar Arc Sun.

Natal chart: July 6, 1775 11:00 AM LMT, Philadelphia, PA.
Event: December 7l 1941, 7:48 AM HST = 1:18 PM EST
Q2 Sun: 6°30' Sagittarius
Q1 Sun: 6°02' Sagittarius

Hmmm... that's not what you got either. OH WAIT (I missed this), you were looking at March 23,1941, eight and a half months before we entered World War II. The date is wrong.

But, while we're at it, let's settle how Solar Fire works once and for all. While still on Q1, I calculate a Solar Arc chart for the Pearl Harbor attack and, sure enough, Sun is 6°02' Sagittarius. SF will use whatever you give it as a secondary progressed Sun, so rate settings do affect its results. Useful to know.
Jim, be sure and check out the upcoming action of Boyd's SA Pluto action with Boyd's radical. :shock:
Boyd chart directed Pluto is currently 0°32' past conjunction with natal Moon, is that the aspect? It was exact last July and leaves orb roughly July 2019.

If I took the Boyd chart seriously, I'd be more concerned about Solar Arc Saturn applying 0°53' to conjoin MC and directed angles preparing to contact natal Mars in... 2021, which we already know is a volatile year.
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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:34 am

BTW, I looked at Solar Arcs for the Declaration of Independence chart for Trump's election and found something not stated so clearly in any other thig I've seen. All the Russian hacking was broadly shown by Mercury combined with Mars, Uranus, Pluto, Sun etc. in various ingresses - digital warfare, I suppose, but the extent of the disinformation campaign was never stated so obviously.

But here we see directed Mercury opposite natal Neptune separating 0°36' for the election, meaning it was exact about 7 months earlier, in April. It's the clearest mark I've seen for fact-distortion, disinformation, and media-poisoning anywhere.

Which raises the question of whether this chart for the American people would show something like the deposing of a president... so I roll the solar arc wheel back to August 9, 1974, and find... nothing, actually. But I flip back to secondary progressions and get:

p Moon tr. p Sun 0°07' sep.
p Mars sq. r Sun 0°11' sep.
p Mars conj. r Asc 0°13' ap.

p Venus sq. p Uranus 0°27' sep.

Striking! OK, now that I know the kind of thing I'm looking for, is anything similar coming up soon? Here are progressed aspects for today.

p Venus sq. p Pluto 0°08' ap. [Venus moves 65'/yr, sq. to r Pluto was 8/2017]
p Saturn tr. r Venus 0°09' ap. [Saturn is moving 02'/year]
p Jupiter conj. r MC 0°22' sep. [Jupiter moves 1'/yr]
p Mars conj. r EP 0°38' ap. [Mars is moving 09'/year]

BTW that exact Jupiter progression to U.S. MC (to the minute of arc) was in 2009. It's been in 1°° orb since 1993 when Bill Clinton came into office. It turns stationary 27' from MC in 2025 when, however, it is squared by progressed Mars. In fact, spring 2025 has a most interesting combination: In partile orb of U.S. MC is an exact progressed Moon-Mars-Jupiter T-square. Perhaps the most concentrated time is about March 3, 2025 when progressed Moon is halfway between progressed Mars and progressed Jupiter.

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:12 pm

Jim,
For Philadelphia Boyd I show the Q1 SA SUN 90 Boyd Mars exact Sept 7, 1941.
For Philadelphia Boyd I show the Q2 SA SUN 90 Boyd Mars exact Mar 23, 1941.
For Philadelphia Boyd I show the Q1 Mars 45 Boyd Pluto exact Dec 5, 1941
For Philadelphia Boyd I show the Q2 Mars 45 Boyd Pluto exact June 20, 1941

But understand, the Q1 vs Q2 is not my issue here, both Q1 & Q2 Mars hits occurred in 1941, the YEAR USA declared itself into WW11.

IMO, what we all need to look at is the action of Boyd’s Solar Arc Pluto beginning November 21 2020 with SA Pluto exact cnj Boyd’s Philadelphia Asc, the first time in USA history SA Pluto will be conjunct Boyd's Asc. Note: When SA Pluto cnj Mars a couple of years ago—Trump was elected Prez!!! Since then, politically, DC politics has turned into a frigging waring nightmare! Combine this SA Pluto with the god awful malefic 2021 Capsolar, the most malefic Capsolar in the history of USA IMO, DC’s government is definitely headed for malefic times. This SA Pluto action appears to be timing itself with the 2020 Prez Election.

Boyd’s Solar Arc Chart—outside wheel; Boyd’s Radical---inside wheel

https://imgur.com/a/2pZ9BEP

About in the middle of the 2021 Prez 4 year term, Boyd’s SA Moon partile 90 Boyd’s Mars.

Both Q1 & Q2 Boyd's Moon will exactly 90 Boyd's Mars in 2021 Prez term.

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:02 pm

SteveS wrote:
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For Philadelphia Boyd I show the Q1 SA SUN 90 Boyd Mars exact Sept 7, 1941.
For Philadelphia Boyd I show the Q2 SA SUN 90 Boyd Mars exact Mar 23, 1941.
For Philadelphia Boyd I show the Q1 Mars 45 Boyd Pluto exact Dec 5, 1941
For Philadelphia Boyd I show the Q2 Mars 45 Boyd Pluto exact June 20, 1941
I hadn't calculated it that way (I just checked the specific date).

I confirm March 23 and September 7 for progressed Sun exact to natal Mars.

I think your calculations are wrong on the Mars, though. For 12/7/41 I get Boyd progressed Mars 0°22' Capricorn (with natal Pluto 4°08' Capricorn and progressed Pluto 3°44' Cap). Progressed Mars didn't conjoin progressed Pluto until 1946 (and progressed Pluto after that). Am I misunderstanding you and checking the wrong thing?
But understand, the Q1 vs Q2 is not my issue here, both Q1 & Q2 Mars hits occurred in 1941, the YEAR USA declared itself into WW11.
Yes, I know that wasn't the issue; but I can't confirm progressed Mars aspecting natal or progressed Pluto until five or six years later when the war was over.
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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:07 pm

I will work-up/copy Solar Fire Solar Arc lists and post later.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:10 pm

SteveS wrote:
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I will work-up/copy Solar Fire Solar Arc lists and post later.
So was that Mars-Pluto a Solar Arc aspect or a secondary progressed aspect? I'm confused.
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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:15 pm

Jim, i instructed Solarfire to 'Direct to Radix. Here is the list produced:
DYNAMIC REPORT

Dynamic Chart (2):
BOYD USA - Natal Chart
Jul 6 1775 NS, 11:00 am, LMT +5:00:39
Philadelphia Pennsylvania, 39°N57'08'', 075°W09'51''
Geocentric Fagan-Allen Zodiac
Campanus Houses, True Node

Selection: Standard
Mar (6) Qnx Mer (11) (X) Sa-Na May 19 1941 08:14:40 am EDT 165.868 18°Aq35' D 18°Cn35' D
Ura (2) SSq Sat (1) (X) Sa-Na Aug 10 1941 07:10:28 pm EDT 166.096 26°Li20' D 11°Vi20' D
Sun (3) Sqr Mar (12) (X) Sa-Na Sep 7 1941 04:54:29 pm EDT 166.172 05°Sg47' D 05°Vi47' D
Mar (6) SSq Plu (4) (X) Sa-Na Dec 5 1941 09:40:19 pm EST 166.417 19°Aq08' D 04°Cp08' R
*** END REPORT ***

*Note the "Sa-Na" in list before dates. I take Sa to mean Solar Arc.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:52 pm

SteveS wrote:
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Jim, i instructed Solarfire to 'Direct to Radix. Here is the list produced:
I see... you included semi-squares and sesqui-squares (and, for that matter, quincunxes), and was only running 4th harmonic. You were using solar arcs and (despite the thread caption) I thought you were doing secondary progressions.

Switching to 8th harmonic, for 1941 on Boyd I get:

Ura SSq Sat Sa-Na Feb 23 1941 6:27p EST (X)
Sun Sqr Mar Sa-Na Mar 23 1941 2:20p EST (X)
Mar SSq Plu Sa-Na Jun 20 1941 3:10p EDT (X)

Or, using Q1 progressed Sun:

Ura SSq Sat Sa-Na Aug 10 1941 7:10p EDT (X)
Sun Sqr Mar Sa-Na Sep 7 1941 4:54p EDT (X)
Mar SSq Plu Sa-Na Dec 5 1941 9:40p EST (X)

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:05 pm

Jim, the more research I do with the Boyd chart, the more I think we got an accurate enough timed Radical Chart. If that SA Pluto 0 Boyd's Natal Asc manifests, I think we will see the most stunning/shocking incidents pertaining to an election (2020) ever! Then we have that 2021 Capsolar! :shock: I will save my speculations for later. :)

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:17 pm

SteveS wrote:
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Jim, the more research I do with the Boyd chart, the more I think we got an accurate enough timed Radical Chart.
Go for it! I have absolutely no interest in it except as a sideline curio or specialty chart, especially as it distracts attention from what I'm convinced is the most expressive chart of American and her people, so I won't be joining you on this particular adventure.

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Post by SteveS » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:25 pm

Thanks Jim, I understand your position. I will indeed 'go for it' since I think the Boyd chart is more reflected of that Rising Mars-Saturn combo when the worse things manifest for the Country. But I respect the July 4th chart.

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:47 am

JFK Assassination:
SA Boyd Mars 11,28 Pi
r Boyd Saturn 11,20 Vir

Inside wheel Boyd's SA Mars and SA Asc located to DC; Outside wheel Boyd's Philadelphia Radical. *Note a Paran 'Phase' with Mars & Saturn with the two bi-wheel charts.
https://imgur.com/a/AGp8jjL

Unemployment in the Country peaked out between 1931-1932 at over 25% from The Great Depression, the highest unemployment in the history of the USA.
Boyd SA Pluto partile cnj Boyd's MC
Boyd SA Mars partile cnj Boyd's SA DC Asc

* Note: When we relocate Boyd's Radical Philadelphia to DC, Boyd's SA Mars will always be in partile phase cnj to Boyd's DC SA Asc, since everything in the chart is moving 1 degree. The only time in the history of the USA we have seen a Paran 'Phase' simultaneous with two angles involving Boyd's SA Mars & Pluto was with the Great Depression. These two angles involved Boyd's SA DC Asc and Boyd's r. MC. Beginning in Nov. 2019 through 2021, we will again see a Paran 'Phase' for the second time in modern USA's history with SA Mars & SA Pluto involving two Boyd angles, Boyd's SA DC ASC (Mars) and Boyd's r. ASC with SA Pluto.

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