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R.S.V.P.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:32 pm

The subject line is a bit of a joke. Decades ago I suggested to Gary Duncan that if we ever had the resources to take Bradley original work with the SVP further, any revision should be called the R.S.V.P.

I'm not proposing a revision. (Certainly not yet.) I'm thinking, though, that we are at the place to begin assessing just how minutely accurate the SVP is. I have generally said that it is either exactly right, or no more than few seconds off. I think we now have the data to take a serious look at how accurate that statement is.

Once Bradley knew that the "Spica fiducial" needed to be shifted 0°06' of arc, he actually used very little data to determine how much more it needed refining. From "Unveiling a New Tool," we quote:
Angular cusps of the solar ingresses are very sensitive to malefic transits, as witness their synchronization with tragic happenings. Following this cue to correct our charts [after the initial 6' correction required by the lunar ingresses]..., we found from inspection of ephemeris positions for the hours of 27 major catastrophes of the past that an average displacement of ten minutes of time would yield the desired correction. But when it became conspicuous that the dating of events was a matter of progression via the "Quotidian rate," we were provided with a means to pinpoint [exact timing]... This process soon led to the realization that only a two-minute difference sufficed. In other words, only a 5" correction of the [previously obtained tentative value] was called for.
Look closely at this statement. Here are some facts to take away with you:

1. Once the zodiac was adjusted 0°06' from the 29° Virgo Spica working definition of the prior few years, the additional 0°00'05" correction was based on only 27 events. They were surely well chosen events... but there were only 27 of them.

2. The method of refinement was Q2 progression of the Capsolar.

3. Where did that 0°00'05" figure come from? It was simply that he concluded from those 27 events that the Capsolar angles needed to be adjusted half a degree, i.e., its time needed to be adjusted two minutes of time (in round minutes). In two clock minutes, the Sun moves about 5". This was not some great rounding down to the second from a vast number of events. It was 27 events that told him the Capsolars needed to be adjusted two minutes of time. If he's a minute off, this changes the boundaries of the zodiac 2"-3", hence my "not off by more than few seconds."

My proposal is to go through SMA and, of its 211 events, select only those that (1) have something on CapQ angles within 1° that triggered the event, (2) the triggering planet(s) is/are very clearly appropriate and not ambiguous, and (3) the event is pretty tightly timed rather than, say, rounded to the day. From these, I will tabulate how much the relevant planet is off the angle.

This may be a futile test. For example, it may be that as long as the planet is within the 2° orb, it is active, so it doesn't matter whether it is 6' closer or 10' wider. Nonetheless, this should be interesting.

Since I have to recalculate a lot of charts, I will do this over several days as time permits.
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R.S.V.P. & Volcanoes

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:33 pm

MT. VESUVIUS
t. Mars on Q Asc -0°43'


SUMMARY:
-0°43'
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R.S.V.P. & Earthquakes

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:33 pm

SAN FRANCISCO EARTHQUAKE
t. Pluto on IC +0°37'
s. Pluto on IC +0°42'
Average: +39.5'

TEHACHAPI EARTHQUAKE
s. Saturn sq. MC +1°08'
s. Neptune on Dsc -1°21'
NOTE: Two Uranuses are also angular, averaging 3' from angles.
Event average: -0°06.5'

LOMA PRIETA EARTHQUAKE
s. Uranus on EP -0°23'

NORTHRIDGE EARTHQUAKE
s. Mars sq. MC +0°45'

TOHOKU EARTHQUAKE (Tokyo)'
t. Pluto sq. Asc -0°22'


SUMMARY
-0°32'
-0°23'
-0°22'
-0°06.5'
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Re: R.S.V.P.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:33 pm

SteveS wrote:Jim, I have seen you struggle with attempting to explain with words to the doubters of the accuracy of Bradley’s Synetic Vernal Point (SVP), hence, the one and only true ayanamsa for the Fagan-Allen Sidereal Zodiac. Its not that your explanation with words is lacking--its perfect IMO, but many times words will not achieve the objective--it takes pictures of astrological charts for a learning astrological mind to truly understand. It has always been my opinion: One of the best ways to prove Bradley’s SVP, proving the true 12-- 30 degree divisions of the Sidereal Zodiac to the doubters, is for the doubters to compare your + 2 rated SMA Quotidian Charts using Fagan-Allen Sidereal Zodiac with the other false ayanamsas in Solar Fire. IMO, this is the only way the doubters have a chance to see/understand the sheer brilliancy of your SMA Quotidian work derived from Bradley’s brilliant astrological/astronomical mind with his rectification of the Sidereal Zodiac. However, IMO, until the doubters can take their own astrological computer programs to see this comparison with Q charts (a picture is worth a thousand words)--- they will probably remain doubters. One of the great riches I have experienced in my life is to be able to see/understand the greatness in your and Bradley’s work proving the 12-30 degree divisions of the Sidereal Zodiac with Fagan-Allen ayanamsa. From the totality of my astrological heart I sincerely thank you for all the tiring research work you have contributed to other Sidereal Astrologers.

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R.S.V.P. & Coalmine Disasters

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:34 pm

MONONGAH MINE DISASTER
t. Saturn on EP +0°16'
s. Pluto on IC -0°37'
t. Pluto on IC +1°11'
-- Plutos midpoint +0°17'
Event average: +0°16.5'

SENGHENYDD COLLIERY DISASTER
t. Neptune on MC +0°09'

SUMMARY
+0°16.5'
+0°09'
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R.S.V.P. & Hurricanes

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:35 pm

LABOR DAY HURRICANE
s. Saturn sq. MC +0°34'

HURRICANE CAMILLE
s. Saturn sq. MC +0°21'


SUMMARY
+0°21'
+0°34'
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R.S.V.P. & Fires

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:35 pm

IROQUOIS THEATER FIRE
s. Neptune on IC +0°20'

CONWAY THEATER FIRE
s. Neptune on Asc -0°10'

TRIANGLE SHIRTWAIST CO. FIRE
t. Mars on Dsc -0°20'

GREAT FIRE OF LONDON
t. Mars sq. MC -0°44'

OHIO STATE PENITENTIARY FIRE
t. Mars on MC +0°09'
t. Pluto on Asc +0°46'

WINECOFF HOTEL FIRE
t. Uranus on IC -0°23'
s. Uranus sq. Asc -0°02'
t. Sun sq. Asc +0°36'
Event average: +0°04'

L'INNOVATION DEPARTMENT STORE FIRE
s. Mars sq. MC +0°29'


SUMMARY
-0°44'
-0°20'
-0°10'
+0°04'
+0°09'
+0°20'
+0°29'
+0°46'
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R.S.V.P. & Bombs

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:36 pm

WALL STREET BOMBING
s. Uranus sq. Asc -1°46'
t. Uranus sq. Asc +1°23'
Average = -0°11.5'

DRESDEN BOMBING
s. Mars on Dsc +1°03'
s. Saturn on Asc +0°33'
Average of s. Mars-Saturn = +0°48'

OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING (Washington)
t. Mars on Dsc +0°32'

BOSTOM MARATHON EXPLOSION (Washington)
t. Uranus on Asc +0°06'
s. Pluto sq. Asc +0°26'
t. Pluto on IC +0°53'
Average = +0°28'


SUMMARY
-0°11.5'
+0°28'
+0°32'
+0°48'
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Re: R.S.V.P.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:36 pm

I'm skeptical this is going to give us anything new. I'll continue to the end, but just wanted to say that.

All of these items are "in orb," so the magnitude of imprecision (platicity) isn't a practical factor generally. The valid "hits" seem to be spiraling around zero, all distributing themselves about the theoretical exact spot. Nonetheless, a better "rounding" may come out of it, so I'll persevere. I probably will drop down to using only the orbs of less than a degree (even though the others are valid "hits") because we already know that there is less than a four minute (of time) error in these charts. We're really focusing on what variation within a single minute of time (2-3" of arc) might be at stake.

BTW, so far, using only the partile hits, I have fewer examples than Bradley's original 27. More to go... but just wanted to point out that we're not going to get hundreds of examples out of this.
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R.S.V.P. & Vehicular Catastrophes

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:37 pm

SINKING OF THE TITANIC
s. Mars on Dsc +0°04'

GREAT NASHVILLE TRAIN WRECK
t. Uranus on Dsc -0°14'

THE HINDENBURG EXPLOSION
s. Mars -0°10'
s. Uranus +0°52'
Average: +0°21'

NEWARK BAY TRAIN WRECK
s. Uranus on MC +0°23'

USS THRESHER SANK (Washington)
t. Pluto on MC +0°18'

MALAYSIA AIRLINES FLIGHT 370
t. Neptune on MC +0°35'
s. Neptune on MC -1°16' [midpoint 0°20.5']


SUMMARY
-0°14'
+0°04'
+0°18'
+0°20.5' (or +0°35' alone)
+0°21'
+0°23'
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R.S.V.P. & Other Explosions

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MUMBAI HARBOR EXPLOSION
t. Mars on Asc +0°59'

CLEVELAND EAST OHIO GAS EXPLOSION
t. Mars on IC -0°53'
s. Pluto sq. MC +1°55'
Average = +0°31'.

CHERNOBYL
t. Saturn on MC +0°32'
s. Saturn on MC -0°31'
Average: +0°00.5'

TIANJIM EXPLOSIONS
s. Saturn on MC +0°03'
s. Mars sq. MC +0°11'
Average: +0°07'


SUMMARY
+0°00.5'
+0°07'
+0°31'
+0°59'
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R.S.V.P. & Deaths of Leaders

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:37 pm

(I'm going to change how I record these. I'll no longer take the time to list all of those from which I'm NOT extracting data. These are evident from flipping through SMA. This will save time and tedium.

DEATH OF WILLIAM HENRY HARRISON
7. Neptune on EP -0°17'

DEATH OF ZACHARY TAYLOR
t. Neptune on Asc +0°59'

MURDER OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN
t. Saturn on EP +0°13'
p. Sun on IC -0°58'
Average: -0°22.5'

DEATH OF JAMES A. GARFIELD
t. Saturn on EP -0°32'
t. Pluto on Asc -0°59'
Average: -0°45.5'

DEATH OF WILLIAM McKINLEY
s. Saturn on Dsc +0°31'
t. Saturn on +Dsc 1°03'
-- Average Saturn: +0°47'
t. Pluto sq. MC +0°19'
Overall average: +0°33'

SHOOTING OF RONALD REAGAN
t. Mars on MC -0°29'


SUMMARY
-0°45.5'
-0°29'
-0°22.5'
-0°17'
+0°33'
+0°59'
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R.S.V.P. & Wars & Peace

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:38 pm

ARMISTICE & CEASE FIRE
t. Uranus on Asc -0°41'

PEARL HARBOR (Tokyo)
t. Pluto on Asc -0°16'
s. Jupiter sq. Asc +0°12'
Average: -0°02'

FALL OF SAIGON (Washington)
t. Uranus on MC -0°49'
t. Pluto sq. Asc -0°46'
Average: -0°47.5'

2001 AFGHANISTAN WAR (Kabul)
s. Mars sq. Asc -0°52'
s. Neptune sq. MC +0°06'
s. Mercury sq. MC +0°24'
Average: -0°07'

2001 AFGHANISTAN WAR (Washington)
s. Saturn sq. Asc -0°49'

2003 IRAQ WAR (Baghdad)
t. Saturn sq. MC +0°02'
s. Saturn on EP -0°25'
t. Mars on Dsc +0°46'
Average: +0°08'


SUMMARY
-0°49'
-0°47.5'
-0°41'
-0°07'
-0°02'
+0°08'
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R.S.V.P. & Populist Uprisings, Riots, etc.

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WATTS RIOTS
s. Saturn on WP -0°04'

WACO SIEGE (Waco)
s. Saturn on Dsc +0°44'


SUMMARY
-0°04'
+0°44'
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R.S.V.P. & Shooting Massacres

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:39 pm

ST. VALENTINE'S DAY MASSACRE
t. Mars on Dsc -0°49'
s. Pluto sq. MC -0°02'
t. Pluto sq. MC +0°22'
Pluto average: +0°10'
Final average: -0°19.5'

VIRGINIA TECH MASSACRE (Washington)
t. Pluto on MC -0°06'
s. Mars on MC +0°05'
Average: -0°00.5'

OSLO ATTACKS
t. Saturn sq. MC +0°40'

JONESTOWN
t. Mars on WP -0°51'


SUMMARY
-0°51'
-0°19.5'
-0°00.5'
+0°40'
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R.S.V.P. & Space Missions

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:39 pm

FREEDOM 7
s. Jupiter on Dsc -0°49'

MOON LANDING
t. Jupiter on Asc -0°25'
t. Uranus on Asc +0°01'
s. Uranus on Asc +0°11'
Average: -0°04'


SUMMARY
-0°49'
-0°04'
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SUMMARY

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:40 pm

I ended up with 46 events, in contrast to the 27 originally used. Not as many as I'd have liked, but worth checking.

20 of these 47 were negative scores. The remaining 26 were positive.

The average score of all of them was -0°04'.

As mentioned previously, I'm not sure this means anything. First of all, by our rules and experience, every single angularity listed above was valid, so it's hard to justify that some are distinctly more valid than others. Second, there is a tendency of data measured a certain distance from a fixed center to rotate about that center in exactly this way.

Nonetheless, we already knew - or had very high confidence - that the SVP definition was very close - within seconds. If we were to take the 4' result very strictly (which I don't think we can), it means that the angles, on average, were 4' shy of where they should be, meaning that the charts should be 16 seconds of time later than they were. On today's typical date of a Capsolar, the Sun's average daily motion is 1°01', so that in 16 seconds of time it would move less than 0°00'01".

This might mean that the SVP (now that we've used nearly twice as much data as the original determination used) is accurate to within about 0°00'01" of accuracy. That's pretty good!
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Re: R.S.V.P.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:41 pm

SteveS wrote:Jim wrote:
This might mean that the SVP (now that we've used nearly twice as much data as the original determination used) is accurate to within about 0°00'01" of accuracy. That's pretty good!
You damn right “that’s pretty good”! IMO, the largest gold nugget that can be mined from a serious study of Sidereal Astrology is the 12-30 degree equal division of the Sidereal Zodiac, the one and only true Zodiac in Nature, proved by Fagan-Allen Ayanamsa with Bradley’s S.V.P. I think this thread is very important for any inquiring astrologer to prove mathematically/astronomically to their individual mind the true 12-30 degree equal divisions of Fagan-Allen Sidereal Zodiac; but, IMO before this proof can actually penetrate into the astrologer’s mind and blossom as the astrological/astronomical truth, the astrologer should calculate with their astrological programs all of the above CapQ Charts where their minds can see the actual picture of these beautiful CapQ Charts. Any astrologer who is working with Solarfire, I will be glad to offer detailed step by step instructions for computing these CapQ Charts, including how to include the auxiliary angles. There are other Sidereal Astrologers on this Forum who work with other astrological programs who may offer instructions for computing these CapQ charts. I know JSAD works with the free Riyal program and he may be able to offer Riyal instructions for producing these CapQ charts. Jim, would it add further valid study to include SMA’s CanQ’s with partile hits in this thread? Thanks again Jim for your adept SMA research.

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Re: R.S.V.P.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:42 pm

SteveS wrote:Jim, would it add further valid study to include SMA’s CanQ’s with partile hits in this thread? Thanks again Jim for your adept SMA research.
I'm unsure. In general CanQ is about 70% as effective as the CapQ, and easily skewed if there are already strong CapQ results. I also wanted to replicate the approach as close as possible to Bradley's original study, which was CapQ-only.

But the CanQ would at least show (on your 12-30 point) that some point other than 0° Capricorn is valid. I'll take a look at the data... maybe adding CanQs that fit the above criteria when there is NO CapQ showing at all. There won't be many of these, but might be worth a check.
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R.S.V.P. & CanQ results

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:44 pm

..As discussed above, I'll had CanQ results that match the same criteria as above, but only for that small percentage where the CanQ appears to be calling the shots.

OLYMPIA QUAKE
t. Uranus on Asc -0°37'
s. Uranus on Asc +0°14'
-- Midpoint: -0°11.5'

KAMCHATKA QUAKE
s. Saturn on Asc -0°07'

SUMATRA-ANDAMAN QUAKE
t. Saturn on Dsc +0°18'

HURRICANE ANDREW (Washington)
s. Mars sq. Asc 0+°55'

NITEROI CIRCUS FIRE
t. Neptune sq. Asc +0°22'
s. Uranus sq. MC -0°23'
Average: -0°00.5'

USS THRESHER SANK (Washington)
t. Neptune on MC -0°40'

EXXON VALDEZ OIL SPILL
t. Pluto sq. Asc +0°23'
t. Saturn on WP -0°33'
Average: -0°05'

CLEVELAND EAST OHIO GAS EXPLOSION
t. Saturn on WP +0°40'

CHERNOBYL
t. Pluto sq. MC _0°09'

THREE MILE ISLAND NUCLEAR ACCIDENT
t. Saturn sq. MC +°02'

TIANJIN EXPLOSION
t. Mars sq. MC +1°00'

TUNGUSKA EVENT
s. Saturn on Dsc -0°58'

DEATH OF WILLIAM HENRY HARRISON
t. Mars sq. MC +0°34'

MURDER OF JOHN F. KENNEDY
t. Uranus sq. Asc -0°08'
s. Pluto sq. Asc +0°23'
Average: +0°07.5'

MURDER OF ROBERT F. KENNEDY (Washington)
t. Saturn on MC +0°31'

WW I ARMISTICE & CEASEFIRE
t. Uranus sq. MC +0°05'

PEARL HARBOR
s. Saturn sq. Asc -0°40'
t. Uranus sq. Asc +1°00'
Average: +0°10'

HIROSHIMA (Tokyo)
t. Mars on MC -0°06'

BAY OF PIGS INVASION (Washington)
s. Mars on MC -0°15'
s. Uranus sq. MC +0°34'
Average: +0°09.5'

ST. VALENTINE'S DAY MASSACRE
t. Mars on IC +0°39'


SUMMARY
-0°11.5'
-0°07'
-0°00.5'
-0°40'
-0°05'
-0°58'
-0°06'
+0°09.5'
+0°39'
+0°18'
+0°55'
+0°40'
+0°09'
+0°02'
+1°00'
+0°34'
+0°07.5'
+0°31'
+0°05'
+0°10'
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R.S.V.P. - CanQ conclusion

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:45 pm

We have fewer events here, as expected. We only have 20 this time, about half as many (there were 46 CapQ events). 7 of these 20 were negative scores. The remaining 13 were positive.

The orbs of the 20 events average to +0°10'

If we were to take the 10' (actually, 9.6') result very strictly (which I don't think we can), it means that the angles, on average, were 10' shy of where they should be, meaning that the charts should be 40 seconds of time later than they were (or 38 seconds of time if I don't round). On today's typical date of a Cansolar, the Sun's average daily motion is 0°57', so that in 38 seconds of time it would move about 0°00'01.5": One and a half seconds of arc.

This resembles the "less than 1 second of arc" of the CapQ score. As mentioned previously, there are some flaws in this study - some mathematical peculiarities I'm not sure I've accounted for (especially since we are using narrower orbs than we know are valid, and there has been no demonstration that probability of an event increases with smaller orbs within the field of an allowable tolerance). Nonetheless, this tends to confirm the confidence we have placed in the precision of the SVP determination from 1957.
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Re: R.S.V.P. - CanQ conclusion

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:46 pm

Although the evidence suggests that the CanQ is about 30% less reliable than the CapQ, presenting some issues with simply adding them together, I'm going to do it anyway. This issue is partly (maybe entirely) addressed by the fact that we have less than half as many CanQ events as CapQ events in the study. The CanQ in general is about 70% as effective as the CapQ, and we have 43% as many CanQ data points: the number of events in each group naturally reduces the CanQ's influence on the end result. Given the tiny increments involved, these ratios don't seem that far off. Nonetheless, I mention this before starting as a caveat.

Combining the two lists gives us 66 event points. 27 of these 66 were negative scores. The remaining 29 were positive.

The orbs of the 66 events average to +0°5.7'.

This portrays that the angles, on average, were 5.7' shy of where they should be, meaning that the charts should be 23 seconds of time later than they were. Using an estimated average daily Sun speed for all of these events of 1°00', in 23 seconds of time it would move 0°00'01". This matches what we found for the two samples separately (tipping the scale slightly in the direction of the method that has more data points and is known to be more reliable).

So far as we are able to tell from the data on hand, I am inclined to continue trusting the exact Bradley 1957 determination of the SVP. If it is off at all, the data available to suggests it showed by increased by 0°00'01".
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Re: R.S.V.P.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:46 pm

SteveS wrote:Thanks Jim, IMO, your SMA work with these event examples involving partile hits with the CapQ & CanQ offer the best chart examples in the annuals of Sidereal Astrology proving the 12-30 degree equal divisions of the Sidereal Zodiac. It also proves Fagan-Allen Ayanamsa as the one & only true Ayanamsa using Bradley’s S.V.P.

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Re: R.S.V.P.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:46 pm

Thank you, Steve.

For the sake of a little more scientific rigor, I want to make a few comments about this. I think you're giving this thread too much credit for some things.

1. This thread doesn't at all "prove the 12-30 degree equal divisions of the Sidereal zodiac." That proof is from something entirely different (mentioned below). I'm being picky here, because I take the word "proof" pretty seriously, and monitor myself on using it inappropriately :)

2. I do think, though, that this thread is a lesser demonstration of the high likelihood of the 12/30 structure. At the very least, it is a demonstration (not a proof) that the Capsolar and Cansolar are meticulously timed which - if these are, in fact, charts for Sun's entrance into Capricorn and Cancer, rather than Sun's conjunction and opposition to some other completely undetected point that has been free of proper motion for 3,000 years :) - would then show both (1) the start of Capricorn and (2) that the start of Cancer is (to the second of arc) 180° later. While this doesn't address the other 10 signs, it does (as a demonstration, an inference) tip the scales pretty heavily to the idea that Sidereal sign-divisions are (to the second) 30° even segments.

3. While the above does probably serve as a good (even compelling) set of examples of how well these Quotidians behave, the purpose is actually different. It's poorer than other lists I've compiled of Q behavior because it is utterly cherry-picked. In other lists, the purpose would be to show the full range of Q activity (including those times it doesn't seem to work so well), as I've done throughout SMA (and dedicated an appendix to listing in early editions - not removed because it was a pain to keep current). This particular list, though, was selected to pick those times the Q's were absolutely clearly working in order to audit the parameters of the zodiac. I wanted as many cases as I could get where we were sure beyond reasonable question that a planet placement was an astrological expression of the event (no borderline or fuzzy cases) to see if the data ended up requiring an adjustment in the zodiac boundaries. I'm happy to say that it did not require this - that the data (so far as this particular data set can take us) seems to confirm the boundaries within 0°00'01". (Also, since any correction it suggests is to increase by 1", this could be entirely an artifact of "always round up" logic when measuring to the nearest second. I would have taken the 1" shift more seriously if it had been -1" instead of +1" due to rounding considerations.)

4. Yes, the whole of SMA gives powerful, powerful confirmation of the exact boundaries of the Sidereal zodiac - down to the second of arc, it seems! - unless a highly unlikely thing is true, viz., that there is some single point in space, completely undetected and having no proper motion at all over nearly 3,000 years (since I've tested the SVP against fairly ancient events), and that it just happens to be so close to (what we call) 0° Capricorn that it could be mistaken for it. It's possible - conceivable, but very, very unlikely - that such a point could exist and that all the phenomena of Sidereal mundane astrology is based on Sun and Moon conjunctions, oppositions, and squares with this point. I acknowledge this simply as a point of intellectual honesty. On the other hand, the odds of all the above facts being true (especially of a completely undetected single celestial factor that has NO proper motion at all is essentially zero.

5. What is it that really proves the model of 12 signs of exactly 30° each? It's the "30 possible zodiacs" studies, first undertaken in Profession & Birth Date and later replicated nearly 50 times. (The title "30 possible zodiacs" doesn't really suggest 30 possible zodiacs, it's just a convenient name for the method.) It's too complicated to explain in detail here, but here's the crux:

Premises to be tested: There is a zodiac something like we have historically been told, I.e., it has 12 signs of 30° each and (here is an important premise of the test) each sign has more or less homogenous meaning throughout the whole sign. That is, Leo is essentially Leo from beginning to end. Notice that these are not postulates, they are theories or premises to be tested. The task is to create a test that will confirm or reject these premises.

So we construct the test as follows:

If Leo (for example) is more or less homogenous in its character from beginning to end (part of what we are testing), then the best Leo results would be if we measured exactly the area 000'00" to 30°00'00" Leo. This would give us better "Leo-ness" that if we tried to find it in the zone 2°00'00" Leo to 2°00'00" Virgo (for example), and a lot better than if (for example) we measured 23°00'00" Cancer to 23°00'00" Leo.

Notice that we don't need to know what "Leo-ness" is. This test isn't about content and meaning, it's about structure of things. We only need to have selected a quality data set (e.g., the 2,492 eminent clergymen Bradley used in P&BD) that has some astrological significance for some sign.

We use Chi-squares for the study because we don't care if it's a positive or negative effect - e.g., we're equally happy to measure the pro-clergymen traits (whatever they are) for Sidereal Leo (which is the most common sign in the set) as we are for Sidereal Gemini (which has the fewest). The nature of Chi-square is that the plus of Leo and the minus of Gemini will just show as variability from the norm, and we don't (for this test) care whether that variability is pro or con. We can also include every other sign that has negligible or inextant connection to the distinctive characteristics of the data set (e.g., are neither pro- nor con- on clergymen - they don't tip the odds either way as to whether someone will become an eminent clergyman).

Here's what we measure:

For the 360° of the zodiac, calculate how many times the Sun appears in a 30° zone beginning with that degree. Calculate the chi-square score that shows the variance of how many times the Sun appears compared to the expected number of times it appears.

After doing that, fold the zodiac over on itself 12 times, i.e., so that 1° Aries is atop 1° Taurus, 1° Gemini, etc. We aren't studying individual signs, we're assessing the architecture of the zodiac itself. Whatever effects, large or small, are measured in any part of all of the signs, these become overlapped with all the other signs. If a sign is highly significant for the data set (pro or con), it adds lots of points; if it is indifferent to what we are studying, it adds more or less nothing to the score.

We end up with a 30-point graph. If the "12-signs of 30° each" premise is correct, we should see (roughly, allowing for a little data roughness) a single peak and a single trough. The peak should be for the degree that begins the actual first degree of the signs. That is, the shape of the curve will confirm whether such a zodiac exists, and the particular degree that has the highest score will tell us where (in a 30° range) a new sign actually begins.

This was done in the clergyman study. The right shape of graph was produced, showing that a zodiac of 12 30° signs seems to exist. However, the data showed that the effect began not at Tropical 0° but at Tropical 23° (for people born mostly in the 19th and early 20th centuries). It "just so happens" that this is where the Sidereal signs begin!

This first test has been replicated many times - Gary Duncan told me that they had about 50 studies completed - and the biggest ones were summarized in one of the last articles Garth Allen ever wrote. The effect is solid. There is a zodiac of 12 segments of 30° each, and its boundaries (to the nearest degree) are exactly where Siderealists say they are.

Now, getting it better than the nearest degree... That's where SMA came in!
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Re: R.S.V.P.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:47 pm

SteveS wrote:Jim wrote:
In other lists, the purpose would be to show the full range of Q activity (including those times it doesn't seem to work so well), as I've done throughout SMA. This particular list, though, was selected to pick those times the Q's were absolutely clearly working in order to audit the parameters of the zodiac.
Yes, I clearly understand there are many times the Q’s doesn’t seem to work so well, but it is those times when they nail the event with par-excellent planetary symbolism that proves mathematically/astronomically to my mind the 12-30 degree equal division of the SZ, even though we are only working with the 00,00 ingress of the Sun into only two sidereal signs, Capricorn & Cancer. It has always been a mystery to me why/how Q’s can time an event to the exact day with partile planetary angular crossings, because there is absolutely nothing that I know of that can tell us when a Q will time an event or not—but we have seen enough exact event Q’s to realize we are working with a very precise division of the SZ, imo. The pure Geometry of a progressed moving wheel marked from a Solar Ingress in different latitudes with partile crossings timed to an exact day of a major mundane event out of only one day in 365 days in a year is simply astounding when pondering the probability. Anyway, when it comes to the pure math, geometry & astronomy of a Q chart timing a major event, I know of nothing better for sidereal charting purposes to explain the equal 30 degree divisions of the SZ—just my opinion.

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