PSSI of the Arisolar

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PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:18 am

At some point in the early 19060s (I apparently don't have that issue of AAM in my collection), Bradley wrote a column on progressing the Arisolar (an effective but, frankly, third rank solar ingress) by the PSSR rate. It made such an impact that some Siderealists began to think that the Capsolar was progressed by the SNQ rate and the Arisolar by the PSSR rate (redubbed PSSI). It even made its way into the Fagan-Firebrace Primer
that way.

I don't think that's what he meant. After all, he had already given a couple of examples of the Capsolar progressed by the PSSI.

My other problem with this is that I haven't ever been able to confirm the finding. Part of this may be that I haven't worked nearly as hard at it as at the testing of other methods. But I've done spot testing of both the Capsolar and Arisolar by this rate, and haven't been impressed (whereas the CapQ so easily, overwhelmingly impresses).

I haven't worked so hard at it because I have no tool that calculates PSSRs as easily as I can calculate the known-remarkable SNQ. Solar Fire doesn't do it. I have a spr3eadsheet I created which would work if I devoted 15-20 minutes to each chart for multiple ingresses for the 300+ events in the core test set. It has been exhausting even to think of doing this since I have the expectation I would not get a positive, useful result and feel I have better things to spend my time on.

I understand there is a program called Janus that would simplify this, but I have no interest to work out of multiple programs with a significant duplication of effort etc. etc.

What I have done, since I have an easy way to approximate PSSR calculations (not good enough for the angles) is that I've checked new events for PSSI Moon progressions or transits to PSSI Moon of the Capsolar. Once or twice I've seen a hit, but normally there is nothing. This does not give confidence, since the CapQ Moon is such a powerful factor.

So it might be my fault, or maybe there is nothing there. In any case, as I came across the reprint of Bradley's original article, I thought I should highlight exactly what he said, and mostly leave myself out of the equation. Here follows a summary.
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Through the Number Jungle

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:25 am

Garth Allen wrote:So much interest has been generated by both the sidereal mundane technique and the progression of the sidereal solar return that most questions and pleas for enlightenment have focused o these two subjects. In the many years since publication of the preliminary report on the ingresses, new findings have been pellmelling to the point where, indeed, a whole book on the system is called for. And, since hints have been printed that Fagan's "PSSR" calculations can be simplified without a loss of accuracy, students who have been bleeding over the intricacies of the method have been crying out for instructions in the easier way,

To kill two birds with one stone, yours truly feels it would be worth-while to "go technical" once in a while for the benefit of the hundreds of astrology's devotees who revel in a wild evening with pen, scratchpad and ephemeris.
He gave some remarks on mathematical technicalities in astrology overall, concluding that with,
Explanations seem to have been taboo in most astrological literature the past quarter century. You were to believe rather than understand what you were doing... So do not think that the sidereal technique is necessarily more complicated just because your teachers are determined that you know what you're doing from the outset...
He next explains what a PSSR is. Despite the gentle harangue just quoted, I'm not including that - it's s subject for a different place, and most readers here know what it is anyway. The simple summary is that a year has about 365.25 days, not just 365, so (in addition to day-for-a-year) there is another rate that includes that extra quarter day and spreads about a day and a quarter (30:09) on average across the year, with the result that the angles progress through the whole circle and an additional 92 degrees (approximately). Another way to say it is that the chart progresses about 5 minutes per day instead of about 4 minutes per day. Additionally, this increases proportionate to the (variable) increase of transiting Sun's right ascension through the year ("apparent solar rate") instead o the smooth flow of linear time as we normally know it ("mean solar rate"). This is the PSSR/PSSI rate.

Most of the article deals with getting people to understand what this is and to make it easier (using common logarithms). The article ends, for example, with a list of the date, time, Greenwich sidereal time, Sun's RA, sidereal year length logarithm, and SVP of every Arisolar from 1915 to 1975.

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Re: Through the Number Jungle

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Continuing with his other topic..,.
The doubly valuable purpose of this article, as we said, is to kill two birds with one stone, so we thought it smart to use the Sun's sidereal ingresses for giving examples of this calculation, because solar ingresses are, after all, "returns" themselves in every sense of the word. The regal table of the Arisolar elements from 1915 to 1975, which appears herewith provides the now hundreds of students of the sidereal technique with all the information essential for a full-scale investigation into the merits of a great discovery, to wit, that the sidereal Aries ingress progresses at the PSSR rate.

The efficacy of the "PSSI" (I for ingress, this time) procedure was discovered when we found that most of the loopholes in the performance record of the Capsolar quotidian could be filled up convincingly by the equivalent Arisolar map moving at the PSSR rate. A flash fire which took twenty-four lives in a downtown Manhattan loft building was our first revolutionary experience with the new device. This led quickly to a spot-check of PSSI factors for other New York fires of the past, and the score in favor of the Arisolar soared. Then mathematician Richard Murakami, noted for his competence in rectification, took time out to cast the PSSI for his favorite tragedy, the collision of the lines Andrea Doria and Stockholm. One tryout kept leading to another as our excitement rose. Then, down in Cuba, Fidel Castro officially declared the minute of the commencement of civil war, which stroke of midnight synchronized with Ingress Mars only 0°08' from Havana's Ascendant - that settled it; we were all on our way to another grand adventure in star-spangled discovery! Startling demonstrations of the validity of the PSSI are now routine.

Two "impossible" collisions, one in the air and the other on the sea, made tragic headlines during the summer of 1956, so we thought using these disasters to show how to handle the calculations of the PSSI and PSSR would serve a twin purpose, with double impact on your curiosity. They sky's patterns at the '56 Arisolar moment was ominous for transportation, what with a great, tight cosmic cross of Mars in 5°19' Capricorn, Uranus 4°07' Cancer, Neptune 5°03' Libra and Mercury 8°47' Aries. It is only logical that if the PSSI theory is valid, this adverse configuration should play a dynamic role in the year's leading disasters, particularly those involving travel conveyances.
He then gave the calculation steps of the PSSI for these two events. I give whatever is necessary for us to check the events with modern tools.
Example 1. One of the worst accidents in commercial aviation history occurred June 30, 1956, 19:32 UT, 111W49, 36N00 (geocentric), when two airliners collided in midair over the Grand Canyon, killing all 128 aboard.

This was analyzed in detail here: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=811&p=4639 FWIW, I didn't feel the need of the PSSI Arisolar because, when the CapQ didn't show anything, the CanQ put Mars 1°17' from Midheaven. The PSSI Arisolar he displayed had Ascendant 7°22' Capricorn, not only broadly bringing in the Arisolar planets listed above, but exactly hitting transiting Uranus at 7°00' Cancer. (Notice that all of the orbs were wider than the CanQ angle to Mars. PSSI angles to Arisolar planets were Mars 2°03'. Uranus 3°15', Neptune 2°19', and Mercury 1°25'.)
Example 2: The Andrea Doria-Stockholm collision at 69W53, 40N19 (geocentric), July 26, 1956, 3:22 UT, occurred almost a month later around three thousand miles farther east.

This is studied in full here: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=807&p=4628 Though not as tight as the Grand Canyon event, I was satisfied (in the face of nothing in the CapQ) that the CanQ brought Mercury and Saturn together to angles. The PSSI Arisolar had tighter contacts. Its MC was 6°31' Capricorn, again tapping into the general range of the severe aspects in the Arisolar. It gives MC conjunct ingress Mars (1°32'), opposite ingress Uranus (2°44'), square ingress Neptune (1°48'), and square ingress Mercury (1°56'). There was also a transiting Sun-Uranus conjunction within 2° of Arisolar PSSI IC.

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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

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End of reproducing the article. The rest is discussion.
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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:50 am

I want to comment on a few of these points, partly to compare some things we now know that Bradley didn't to some things he may have known that we don't.
...we found that most of the loopholes in the performance record of the Capsolar quotidian could be filled up convincingly by the equivalent Arisolar map moving at the PSSR rate.
We have been filling that exact gap with the Cansolar quotidian. Much of what follows is from Chapters 34 and Appendix C of Sidereal Mundane Astrology.

Cansolar Quotidians, from various ways of measuring their efficacy, end up somewhere around 70-80% as potent as the corresponding Capsolar method. However, their great value is in the exact "loophole" situations Bradley just mentioned. (Remember, he thought only the Capsolar could be progressed by the quotidian rate, so he didn't look at the CanQ as far as we know. He did, however, value transits to Cansolar angles.)

Using the CanQ and Cansolar to complete the CapQ and Capsolar transits, we get 96% "right" charts for my standard mundane event catalogue.

It gets even more interesting when we add the Arisolar and Libsolar results, though. Taken alone - all events for all ingresses, across the whole circle of the year - only the CapQ hits the "7 right out of 8" threshold (about 87-88% or better). The others fall short. They do not improve in different quarters (e.g., not better in their own quarter than the other three). Same results with transits to ingress angles. Also the same when we combined quotidians and transits to the ingress.

However, when we only look at the times when the CapQ and transit to Capsolar fail to show anything (Bradley's "loopholes"), all three of the others - Arisolar, Cansolar, and Libsolar - have accurate hits 7 times out of 8 or more often. (Actually, the Libsolar falls short, but a difference of one event would take it over the top. There were very few examples, and a random shift of one event can make a big difference in the scores.)

My conclusion thus far is that we already have the "loopholes" covered. This doesn't speak to whether the Arisolar PSSI also fills them, of course.
This led quickly to a spot-check of PSSI factors for other New York fires of the past, and the score in favor of the Arisolar soared.
Would someone like to check the Arisolar PSSI for the 42 major fires in my collection? (Just look at Chapter 16 of the current edition of Sidereal Mundane Astrology.) I'm sure I don't have the energy or endurance.
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Re: Through the Number Jungle

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:09 pm

Then, down in Cuba, Fidel Castro officially declared the minute of the commencement of civil war, which stroke of midnight synchronized with Ingress Mars only 0°08' from Havana's Ascendant
I'm not sure which date he means. It seems it could be either July 26, 1953 when the Castro brothers led 69 fighters in attacks in Santiago and Bayamo. I think he means something later, because it sounds like he's talking about something in contemporary news later than 1957 (but all the other good dates are before 1957 also).
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Let's test the above date using the "estimate" tool for PSSI. Havana's 1953 Arisolar had Pluto about 1° Descendant. Progressing it at the mean PSSI rate (mean Sun) gives an MC of 20° Pisces which is far from the late Aries ingress Mars. This wasn't the date he meant.

Another late date - hardly the start of the war, but the start of a major last offensive - was August 21, 1958. The 1958 Arisolar was quite deadly, with Saturn setting closely. Progressing it to August 21 by the mean rate does give Ascendant 25° Capricorn with ingress Mars at 27° Capricorn, so this probably the event he meant (I'd have to calculate it more precisely to confirm).
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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:15 pm

So, what to the other charts look like for August 21, 1958, 0:00, Havana, Cuba?

Notice that the CanQ does indeed step in to close the gap. The Libsolar (Q & transits) also does quite well, though the AriQ is quite poor.

Year: Capsolar (Dormant.) Moon-Venus.

Year/Quarter: Cansolar
Neptune sq. MC 0°15'
Moon more widely foreground
Moon-Neptune 1°39'
Moon-Mars sq. 2°56'

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Month: Caplunar
(Notice Moon-Jupiter for most historic events of people seizing liberty & rights.)
Mars on WP 1°08'
Neptune on Asc 2°14'
Moon, Sun, Jupiter more widely foreground
-- Sun-Mars sq. 0°09in mundo
-- Mars-Neptune op. 3°09'
Moon-Jupiter sq. 0°04'

Week: Liblunar
Venus on EP 0°08'
Uranus on Asc 1°18'
Mars & Neptune more widely foreground
-- Venus-Neptune sq. 1°45'
Moon-Jupiter conj. 2°40'

Day: Capsolar Transits
t Sun op. s MC (1°34')

Day: Cansolar Quotidian & Transits
p Moon sq. s Neptune 0°20', t Neptune 0°42'
p Asc op. s Saturn 0°19', t Saturn 0°46'
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t Neptune sq. s MC 0°37'
t Uranus sq. s Asc 0°28'

Day: Arisolar Quotidian & Transits
p EP conj. s Jupiter 1°47', t Jupiter 1°38'

Day: Libsolar Quotidian & Transits
p Asc conj. t Saturn 0°24'
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t Uranus op. s Asc 1°33'
t Sun sq. s MC 1°05'
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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by SteveS » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:07 pm

Jim asked:
Would someone like to check the Arisolar PSSI for the 42 major fires in my collection? (Just look at Chapter 16 of the current edition of Sidereal Mundane Astrology.) I'm sure I don't have the energy or endurance.
Jim, since you have verified the PSSR rate is correct in Janus, I will try and get around to looking at these 42 fires with the Arisolar PSSR with Janus. Thanks for the post from AAM. :)

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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:12 pm

Thanks, Steve. Would it help if I reposted the data, or you got it?
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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by SteveS » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:52 am

I think I got your latest version of SMA filed in my computer. If for some reason I can't access your latest SMA book, I will get back to you.

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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by SteveS » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:37 pm

Jim, Just went into Janus to calculate PSSR's for Arisolars for the fires, but can't figure out how to calculate the Cardinal Ingresses like we do in SF. I will give Janus tech support a call tomorrow.

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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:42 pm

Thanks.

Do you perhaps have to calculate them separately in SF and then just type in the chart data?
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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by SteveS » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:59 pm

I don't know for sure Jim. I have worked with Janus very little. I bought Janus mainly for Matthew (RIP) who wanted to do a lot of work with PSSR. He told me Janus had all the quotidians miss labeled and called them to correct, and by what I can tell they have corrected. I do remember Matthew fell in love with Janus 'Graphic Ephemeris' which i don't know how to read. I fell in love with Janus Paran functions which allowed me precise work relocating me to favorable gambling locations. But when I hooked into your forum, you showed me how to do the same Paran functions with SF, and ever since I very rarely use Janus. Matthew helped me so much with Sidereal Astrology, I asked him the best way for me to repay him, and he said Janus had some functions he wanted to check out, and I told Matthew---done deal. I will let you know what I find out with Janus tech team about Sidereal Solar Ingresses.

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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by SteveS » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:03 pm

Jim,
I could not get in touch with tech team at Janus to see if Janus computes Sidereal Solar Ingresses, so I took your suggestion and computed the time for the Aries Ingress with Solar Fire and then computed the Aries Sidereal Ingress in Janus in order to compute PSSR’s for Aries Ingress charts. I have so far got absolutely no PSSR Ari Q hits including transits with your first 5 Fire events in Chapter 16 of your book Sidereal Mundane Astrology. But when I got to the 6th example for the Great London Fire of 1666, the PSSR was astounding!

PSSR Saturn partile cnj PSSR MC
t. Neptune partile cnj PSSR MC
t. Neptune partile cnj PSSR Saturn
t. Mars 2,09 cnj PSSR Dsc
t. Moon partile 180 Aries Sun
t. Moon partile 90 PSSR Saturn
t. Moon partile 90 t. Neptune

I don’t quite know what to conclude from my sampling of your Fire events, so far. I noted the London Fire Disaster was somewhat symbolized in the London Aries Chart itself. Jim, I have had a long tiring day—so check my work for the PSSR with the 1666 London Fire.

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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:27 pm

First, let's calculate that PSSI Arisolar. The Great London Fire began September 2, 1666 (NS), about 0:15 AM, London, England. Sun RA 161°12'

Prior Arisolar: April 9, 1666, 18:12:01 LMT, London.
ST 7:24:47, Sun RA 18°32'

Next Arisolar ST 13:42:45. Subtract the two STs to get 6:17:58. Add 24h to get 30:17:58. Divide by 24:00:03 (109,078 sec / 86,403 sec) gives SSRY = 1.262433017372082

Subtract Arisolar RAAS from transiting RAAS = 161°12' - 18°32' = 142°40'. Multiply this by the SSRY to get 180.107110478417° or 12:00:26.

This is the ST increase but, using SF, it's easier to get the clock time, so we subtract 9.86 sec/hr to get a clock time increase of 11:58:27. Add this to the date and time of the Arisolar to get the PSSI date/time of April 10, 1666, 6:10:28 LMT, London.

Here is how you summarized it. It looks like you they're pretty cose:
SteveS wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:03 pm
PSSR Saturn partile cnj PSSR MC
t. Neptune partile cnj PSSR MC
t. Neptune partile cnj PSSR Saturn
t. Mars 2,09 cnj PSSR Dsc
t. Moon partile 180 Aries Sun
t. Moon partile 90 PSSR Saturn
t. Moon partile 90 t. Neptune
I get MC 29°36' Sagittarius, Ascendant 25°26' Aries, which gives the following:

p MC conj. s Saturn 0°02', t Neptune 0°02'; sq. s Sun 0°24', t Moon 0°38'
-- Sun-Saturn sq. 0°02'
-- t Neptune conj. s Saturn 0°28', sq. s Sun 0°26'
- - t Moon sq. t Neptune 0°28', s Saturn 0°12', s Sun 0°14'
p Asc op. t Mars 1°56'

Going by the Mars orb, it looks like we got Ascendant 0°13' different.

This is quite impressive!
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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:43 pm

SteveS wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:03 pm
I don’t quite know what to conclude from my sampling of your Fire events, so far. I noted the London Fire Disaster was somewhat symbolized in the London Aries Chart itself. Jim, I have had a long tiring day—so check my work for the PSSR with the 1666 London Fire.
This is the tough question, and I think the answer is that we have to keep going to know the answer.

This one example with the London fire is enormously encouraging. It's stupendous. OTOH, one result in six is quite poor and, were we to stop now, we'd have to consider it (at worst) an unsubstantiated system and (at best) a system capable of producing stunning results occassionally but not really worth the work (even if it were fast) to check it every time. (For example, I don't check the AriQ and LibQ routinely because they aren't worth it, even though it only takes a few seconds.)

It is a common statistical technique to, for example, through out one's single best and single worst results so that no one extreme result biases the outcome. If we did that here, we'd not have any results. But going on may produce more (and more consistent).

No rush, of course. But this will be valuable to know.

As an aside, Bradley especially recommended this for those times when the CapQ didn't come through (when I've usually found the CanQ does). [He used it at other times, though.] That wouldn't apply here, since the London CapQ had transiting Mars partile conjunct an angle. So the "when the CapQ doesn't work" idea is not what is filtering this.
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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by SteveS » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:48 am

Jim wrote:
No rush, of course. But this will be valuable to know.
Yes, since I have very little experience with the PSSR, I hope to learn something too, and anything you consider 'valuable to know', I am interested. I know Fagan & Bradley recognized the PSSR. I asked Matthew about them and he said he had little experience with them, if memory is serving me. I have looked at a few more Fire examples in Chapter 16 SMA and there were no hits for the PSSR AriQ. I have out of town company visiting for the next few days but I have a tag on my monitor to finish all of your examples in Chapter 16. BTW, I now know how to calculate Sidereal Ingresses in Janus which helps for flip flopping back and forth from SF to Janus. If you ever have time to download the the free 30 day trial and/or decide it would help speed-up your research work with the PSSR--let me know. In the meantime if you ever need me to do batches of PSSR's to help your work, I will be glad to calculate with Janus.

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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:56 am

Thanks on all counts. - I really really really don't want to flip-flop between programs if possible, but it if were to turn out that the PSSI is genuinely necessary for this work, I'll have to change my mind.
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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by SteveS » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:05 am

I understand Jim--if you do change your mind let me know.

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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by SteveS » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:46 pm

Jim, an AriQ Fire hit but actually not needed over all the Mars hits in your SMA book example for this fire.
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OUR LADY OF THE ANGELS SCHOOL FIRE 1958 Dec 1, 2:10 PM, Chicago, IL
The event quickly flared into a national(and even international) news story.
Par -excellent symbolism for this ‘national/international’ sad ‘news story:
PSSR Chart for 1958 Arisolar:

https://imgur.com/a/wKYuWkT

t. Mercury 1,19 Sag
t. Saturn 1,45 Sag
AriQ Saturn 1,27 Sag
AriQ MC 29,54 Scorpio

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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by SteveS » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:28 pm

Jim, sorry about the PSSR’S delay here with this thread. Mercury stationed on my Zenith square my natal Jupiter a couple of weeks ago sidetracked me into some unexpected business which will probably/hopefully go on to the end of the year. I have looked at a few more of your examples in your ‘Fires’ chapter in your book SMA, isolating only the PSSR’s with the Arisolar Ingresses and found another decent example for a PSSR:

The L’ INNOVATION DEPARTMENT STORE FIRE, 1967 May 22 , 1:30 PM CET, Brussels, Belgium:

PSSR Moon 26,41 Tau exact 90 PSSR Uranus
t. Neptune partile cnj PSSR MC (for the hysterics with this tragic fire)
Also note in Brussels 1967 Arisolar, Arisolar Mars partile 180 Sun. And, as you noted in SMA Arisolar Saturn 1,59 cnj Arisolar IC.

This does add some fairly good supporting symbolism for this fire, but not as good as the symbolism with your noted SMA work on this fire, imo.
So far, by looking at about 20 examples, I have noted 2 Arisolar’s projecting good symbolism with the PSSR, the 1666 London Fire and this Brussels 1967 Fire, both these Arisolar’s showing Arisolar Saturn on IC.

Sorry for the delay in completing this project but been very busy writing a proposed Franchise Manual for a Concept Community Theater, with a deadline and much travel.

Again, if you ever desire to do any extensive work with the PSSR’s with your great SMA work, I am sure I can secure at a discount purchased by me the Janus Program for your own individual research for possible forum learning, but so far, I think your Fire examples are showing better symbolism than the Arisolar PSSR’s. Only you are the best Judge for this when I slowly finish all the examples. Thanks.

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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:53 pm

I wrote a very long answer to this, cross referencing several things - then, when I went to save it, I was told that the post I was answering didn't exist any longer and my answer was dumped. (I'd cross referenced several SMA data bases to give comparative data and things you might want to compare going forward, and answered several small things in your post.)

Since it had a different title, I suspect you decided you'd put it in the wrong thread, reposted here, then deleted the other one. Sorry, I don't have time to research and write the answer again. (There went my e tire lunch period :( )

One thing important to repeat: In the Arisolar, don't give any emphasis to the Sun-Mars opposition. It doesn't matter how exact or fitting it is. Early on, statistics confirmed that, though Moon aspects are valid no matter where in the ingress they fall, Sun aspects have no similar special value. They're the same as other planets, meaning, their aspects effectively don't exist if they aren't angular. The best way to think of it is that Sun and Mars don't even exist in that Arisolar.
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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by SteveS » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:23 pm

Sun aspects have no similar special value.
For all cardinal solar ingresses?

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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by SteveS » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:33 pm

Since it had a different title, I suspect you decided you'd put it in the wrong thread, reposted here, then deleted the other one. Sorry, I don't have time to research and write the answer again. (There went my e tire lunch period :( )
Yes, posted it in wrong thread, sorry I spoiled your lunch. Tell me your favorite delivery food service with your address and I will buy you lunch.

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Re: PSSI of the Arisolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:45 pm

Not to worry. I had lunch, I just lost 45 minutes work that I was doing during lunch. I wrote you a very nice answer, too - long and packed with data. :(
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