Mars in Scorpio

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Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:37 am

I'll rewrite this appropriately when i get back next week, but wanted to get a thread started on the mundane impact of Mars in Scorpio, which began yesterday.

I suspect it will mean more outright battle and less adjudication. Conflict more bare-knuckled and out in the open. But we shall see, eh?

Already today we see that Russia, China, and Iran are having shared, conjoint war exercises (military drills) in the Gulf of Oman.
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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:09 pm

Russia just deployed a new hypersonic weapon that supposedly is so fast it evades all American defenses. It's being discussed as a reigniting of the arms race.
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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:18 pm

North Korea didn't manage a Christmas Surprise, but that was probably because China sat on him.

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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:45 am

I suppose the US airstrikes in Baghdad that killed General Qassem Soleimani was very Mars in Scorpio.

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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:14 am

TheScales_BothWays wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:45 am
I suppose the US airstrikes in Baghdad that killed General Qassem Soleimani was very Mars in Scorpio.
Probably. It fits my sense of "just sock the mu'f'k in the nuts" form of bald, directly confrontational schoolyard brutality. But remember that the reason I'm launching these threads is that I don't know what these placements mean in mundane astrology and I want to observe and find out. This is a good observation.

And thanks for reminding me that I need to get back to what I said in my first post here (while I was away on vacation), and start framing some theories to help with the observation.
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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:19 am

In natal astrology, Mars in Scorpio generally manifests with the following psychological characteristics:
Determined, hardworking, passion to succeed, hard to intimidate. Sharp humor, willing to be outlandish. Loves to party. Most prefer some "bad boy" or "bad girl" in their character, feel it their moral duty to misbehave on schedule, and stay "a little rough around the edges." Most of the women are high-demand sexual locomotives.
Broadly speaking, we get the purest expression of unbuffered, unfiltered Mars. Adrenaline and testosterone surge with a spirit of coarseness.

During the decade and a half Pluto was in Scorpio (1996-2006), it was much easier for The Powers That Be to force aggressive militarism onto the world. Neptune in Scorpio (1967-1982) provided 14 years of paranoia, distrust of power, nuclear fears, post-Watergate suppressing of power concentrations; also a different level of destructive drug abuse but also insane sexual unleashing, plus our only real mass epidemic in modern times, the emergence of the AIDS crisis in its last years. Uranus was in Scorpio 1980-1987: I haven't thought through what this meant, but it was basically the whole Reagan administration (so we had Star Wars (!), Chernobyl and surrounding fears, and the arms deal scandals). Saturn in Scorpio brought accelerated national struggle with violence and hatred, with intensified attention on race-issue violence, reassessment of police violence, and a real breaking out of our "one slaughter a day" diet of mass killings. Sociologically, a generalized acute shortage of power arose, with parties on all political and sociological sides equally feeling powerless and, thus, overcompensating. A kind of primitization of the species occurring in the sense that survival needs being under assault and, therefore, asserting themselves with increased vigor.

Historic themes, then, have been pretty clear. I expect more of the same but, also, that there are subtleties, sub-themes, branching categories not previously observed.

Based only on known symbolism of Scorpio, some other expressions I would theorize include:

Cutting through complexity, persuading through a bold, bald sense of "it's simple, it's obvious."

Boldness, courage, recklessness, "might makes right." Certainly any MILITARY themes. LACK OF INHIBITION in most areas. Male-ism pushing aside feminist matters and endeavoring to conquer or overpower.

Unleashed PRIMITIVE SEXUAL FEROCITY as a theme.


And now... back to observing...
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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:02 am

Not sure if I mentioned it here (though I know I mentioned it in class): One can always find some news story to match a preferred window of what's happening. I have a tactic for filtering what the main story of the time is - a tactic I have especially been using for these mid-range matters like the Mars signs.

CNN published (five days a week) a daily email of five top stories to get you informed and out the door. It actually contains more than five stories because they find clever ways to sneak more things in, but it's a great "just a few things of greatest importance" filter that seems representative of what's going on in the world in a particular 48-hour period. Over the last few months, at least one story (usually the lead) has been a direct expression of the Mars sign, and usually two or three of the "top five things."

For example, today's newsletter begins with an aside about Australia's "raging" firenados weather threat before getting to the No. 1 story, which is Iran, our killing of Iran's top military commander, and Iran's threatened retaliation and revenge.

Story No. 2 is about impeachment. It's less obviously "on target" for Mars in Scorpio but shows that another kind of "war" is very much going on. Primarily, it talks about the recently-obtained OMB and Pentagon documents confirming that yes, no doubt about it, the withholding of funds to Ukraine was at the direct order of President Trump. Most of the story is about how this impacts strategy: It reads like a war story, not a political one.

Story by story, the tone becomes a little lighter but on the same track. Story No. 3 is about a still different "combat," the "battle" for the Democratic nomination for president. Main story today: Julian Castro dropped out yesterday and Marianne Williamson laid off her campaign staff. Iowa caucuses are a month away and a Scorpio is still considered the front-runner (athletic terminology, of course), though with fierce competition from three others. (Expect the competitive athletic language to continue.)

Story No. 4 is, I suppose, on a similar track (or perhaps not): China has been destroying cemeteries as part of a suppression of Muslims. The behavior isn't new, it's just new to the news.

Story No. 5 is about the census. It probably has nothing important to do with Mars in Scorpio. (Almost got away without a beep on that one, then the last couple of sentences introduced the word "battleground" in the sense that the census debates on a citizenship question are really about tipping "battleground" states Florida and North Carolina).

Meanwhile, the new Coachella lineup is out :). And here's a Scorpio side-story: A North Carolina family preheated their over for a pizza and discovered a snake in the oven! (It had gotten into the house somehow and crawled up into the over through openings in the bottom.) I mean, this kind of thing surely happens all the time, right? :lol: But with Mars in Scorpio, it ends up one of the 10 or so main news stories of the day.
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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:20 am

I won't do this everyday, but to keep the momentum going at the moment... here are notes from the topmost headlines this morning that seem they may be Mars in Scorpio themed (besides the Golden Globes :) ):

Iran vs. U.S. story continuing
Impeachment process (dropped to third or fourth - notice how it has stepped back a bit)
Australia fires (they're really in hell down there & it's not stopping)
Manda Bay, Kenya terrorist attack that took some American lives

That's four out of five stories that are versions of hellish blaze or bare-knuckled brutality (or something like that).
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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:41 am

Today, in addition to the Iran conflict (they shot missiles at us yesterday, thinks might be escalating), a suspicious-looking Ukranian air crash in Tehran, the hellish Australian fires, the impeachment-related arm-wrestling, and the building internal conflict in Venezuela, we can add another theme to Mars in Scorpio, I think:

Phallic symbols in the news: China just launched a driverless bullet-train (the world's first) that travels over 200 mph.
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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:25 pm

Possibly the emergence of the Wuhan coronavirus is a Mars in Scorpio phenomenon, although it's easier to see in the context of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction.
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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by SteveS » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:20 pm

Jim wrote:
Possibly the emergence of the Wuhan coronavirus is a Mars in Scorpio phenomenon, although it's easier to see in the context of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction.
Yes, IMO, we need to watch this Virus closely. Saturn-Pluto is all over the angles of the Boyd 2020 SSR. Again, must watch all virus breakouts closely making sure they are not escalating into DC's 2021 Capsolar. This fall if I see escalating virus, I am taking JSAD advice and stocking up on Tamiu-Flu prescriptions and Sambucol (Black Elderberry), also liquid elderberry drops. If a serious virus breakout occurs these products will be very difficult to obtain—they will more than likely be on back order with retail outlets.

*** PS: NOTE FOR SAMBUCOL: If pregnant or breast feeding, ask a health professional before using. Sambucol is available over the counter.

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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:37 pm

Get your tamiflu after the current flu outbreak is over this spring & summer. This fall it'll be too late and supplies will be down. It doesn't go bad for at least 10 years, so there's no reason to wait. Get it while supplies are available.

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Post by SteveS » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:46 pm

Yes JSAD, my doc has already written my prescription, and same for my wife's doc. It's good to be prepared. :)

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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:55 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:25 pm
Possibly the emergence of the Wuhan coronavirus is a Mars in Scorpio phenomenon, although it's easier to see in the context of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction.
Apparent confirmation that this is a Mars in Scorpio emergence: News this morning is that the Wuhan coronavirus now is believed to have been caused by two species of smake. It doesn't get more to the point than that!
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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:43 am

The top stories each day have been remarkably consistent - mostly the same few that I targeted at the top of this thread - and new ones continue to have a Mars in Scorpio feel. Today's from the CNN "5 things" newsletter:
  1. Impeachment
  2. Wuhan coronavirus (remember, it originated with snakes; and yesterday's Mars-Neptune square seemed to accelerate the public sense of panic about the matter)
  3. Ukraine (the main new story there involves Sec. Pompeo breaking out in forceful, foul-mouthed bluster at a reporter)

Other stories, further down the list, included ew changes in immigration policy (same ol' Sagittarius stuff) and (I guess this is Scorpionic) Prince Andrew's failure to cooperate with the FBI concerning Jeffrey Epstein.

Oh, and (though not in the top 5) there's the matter of a certain A-list athlete who died in a fiery helicopter explosion a couple of days ago, Explosions are always good fodder for Mars-Scorpio.
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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:39 pm

Additional Mars in Scorpio headlines:

This week the U.S. announced a new category of nuclear weapon - a fairly portable low-yield nuke - that restores competitiveness with Russia.

The First Lady of the obscure African nation of Lesotho has been charged with murdering her husband's former wife plus another woman who was with her.

The themes have been pretty consistent. Now that the impeachment is completely done, the main "blunt combat" story of this entire period is wrapped and, indeed, Mars leaves Scorpio Saturday.
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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:22 am

Mars has left Scorpio, where it abided December 26 to February 8. What have we learned?

First, just as (basically to the day) Mars in Virgo was the congressional inquiry regarding impeachment, and Mars in Libra as the House of Representatives weighing the evidence in a court-like procedure and deciding to impeach, Mars in Scorpio marked the time from their completion of that through the impeachment trial itself, with Mars exiting Scorpio days after. It was the war (and only one war among several).

I expected "more outright battle and less adjudication." (We all know how little real adjudication there was! I didn't expect my words to be quite so literally true.) I expected conflict to be more bare-knuckled and out in the open. (It was.) I described the expected tone as, a "just sock the mu'fk in the nuts" form of bald, directly confrontational schoolyard brutality. (We saw quite a lot of this.) In brief, we expected the purest, unbuffered, unfiltered expression of Mars with adrenaline and testosterone surging in a spirit of coarseness and a "might makes right" mentality with an obvious lack of inhibitions.

During this time, besides the impeachment process, looking just at the five or so leading headlines everyday and latching continuing stories during the time, we had:

Russia deployed a new hypersonic weapon supposedly so fast it evades all American defenses. Then the U.S. announced a new category of nuclear weapon, a portable low-yield nuke. Both were discussed as "reigniting a new arms race."
U.S. launched air strikes in Baghdad that killed Iran's leading general (with many war drums beating for a while in the immediate aftermath as Iran threatened retaliation). Missiles flew back and forth nd one accidentally shot down a commercial airline (oops).
Australia's ongoing fires intensified and began creating raging "firenadoes."
The Wuhan coronavirus became a nonstop story (it originated from snake meat: pure Scorpio).
An A-list athlete and others died in a fiery helicopter explosion.
Sec. Pompeo (the nation's leading diplomt) broke out in foul-mouthed, forceful bluster during an interview.
Internal conflict built in Venezuela. A family heated their oven and discovered a snake had crawled inside (and it made the list of top news stories of the day). For phallic symbols in the news, China launched the world's first driverless bullet train. Lesotho's first lady was charged with murdering her husband's former wife and another woman.
I suppose the combat for the Democratic nomination should be included. Language continued to describe this in competitive, athletic terms.
Even lead articles on the 2020 census referred to the battleground landscape of legislative decisions.
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Re: Mars in Scorpio

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:00 pm

I would, therefore, interpret Mars in Scorpio in mundane astrology as follows:
Battle, direct combat, unapologetic coarseness, confrontational schoolyard brutality. Unbuffered, unfiltered expression of Mars with adrenaline and testosterone surging, enhanced militarism, open warring, and competitive (even athletic) language used to describe events. A "might makes right" mentality. Raging of nature and human alike. Snakes, phallic themes, sexual lewdness.
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