2020 Prez Election

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2020 Prez Election

Post by SteveS » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:23 am

May be early but I found these Vegas Odds somewhat interesting out of over 30 speculative candidates for 2020 Prez.

Trump +140
The closest candidate in second place for Prez is Bernie Sanders at +1000

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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:34 am

That's somewhere between terrifying and disgusting.

Of course, going with the rule that one doesn't try to determine a winner until you know who's running, there is still the great hope of removing him from consideration long before that.
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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:00 am

BTW, news is just out that Mueller has asked the judge to hold George Papadopoulos' sentencing on September 7. That's a very strange datum - not sure why so exacting a request. However, I note its proximity to the early September time when Mueller previously said he expected to be concluding his inquiry into whether Trump illegally colluded with Russia.

Papadopoulos' sentencing is obviously connected to the larger collusion picture, even though the specific charges against him are of lying to the FBI (obstruction of justice). But he got in hot water initially because of bragging in a bar about what he was pulling off with the Russians. The bigger question is whether this is something more complex, e.g., Papadopoulos will give testimony on the record that implicates others.

September 7 (or, more exactly, 9/6) is the Saturn station at 7°33' Sagittarius. There's an exact Sun-Neptune opposition that day at 20° Leo-Aquarius. Mars will have turned direct a week or two earlier at 4° Capricorn and is still at about the same degree. These probably are the degrees that will be important in the charts of anyone else strongly impacted that day. (The Sun-Neptune is about 1° from 45/135 to the Mars.)

Trump has none of these degrees active in his natal chart. I'm most disturbed that Jupiter is approaching his IC and will cross it in mid-October - way too close to the elections for my comfort.

Ah, but his SSR has a 4° Capricorn Eastpoint, which is exactly where the Mars station will occur. (Ecliptically, Mars is in the exact minute of that SSR EP at noon on 9/7 - I haven't checked it in RA yet.) And, while the above degrees don't hit his natal, transiting Pluto is back to square Trump's Jupiter within 15'.

Trump's August 20 SLR has Neptune on Dsc - which has too much fog around it to see clearly what is going to happen from that. (His Uranus is exactly at MC: It will be one of the strong expressions of his emerging Neptune transit to natal Uranus.) His September 3 Demi-SLR is more ordinary, the main angular planet being Mercury (though it is near-partile conjunct his Mars on Dsc - but that just describes behavior we see all the time).

September 7 will be interesting to watch.
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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by SteveS » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:17 am

Jim wrote:
That's somewhere between terrifying and disgusting.
:) I hear you Jim. Hillary is a + 6600. I read this as Vegas strongly believing Hillary will not even run for Prez in 2020. I know this: if Trump’s so called great economy starts to waver—Bernie will gain votes. More early odds for notables in the order of favored odds:
Pence +1400
Biden +1400
Kamala Harris +1400
Cory Booker +2000
Elizabeth Warren +2000

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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:28 am

SteveS wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:17 am
Hillary is a + 6600. I read this as Vegas strongly believing Hillary will not even run for Prez in 2020.
I'm sure she won't.
I know this: if Trump’s so called great economy starts to waver—Bernie will gain votes.
Yes. But I still don't think Bernie has a chance. (That's not an astrological opinion - I haven't even bothered to look.)

Biden is nearly as close as Bernie in these odds (Harris ties him), and I thnk Biden is a more likeky win... but it's way too early. This November will be a big tell, and of course all intervening time this year and next to see whether Trump survives his term.
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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by SteveS » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:47 am

No reliable birth time for Bernie--so we want be able to do a good Sidereal Astrology analysis even for his election probabilities in Dem race. :x

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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by SteveS » Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:41 pm

New odds came out this morning:
Trump still holding at +140
Bernie Sanders +750 (becoming more of a favorite) moved from +1000
Joe Biden +1500 (from +1400 to +1500)
Kamala Harris +2000 (last month +1400)
Oprah Winfrey +6000 (made the biggest move I think, but can't find last months number for her).
Hillary +15000 (last month +6600).

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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by SteveS » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:34 am

Observation: Hillary odds for winning the 2020 Prez has dropped from +15,000 to +3,300. This is the single largest movement in betting odds I have ever seen in my life. The last time I observed a large shift in betting odds similar to this was July 2015 when Trump to win Prez dropped from +4500 to +1500. Hillary is denying she will run for 2020 Prez, but if I had to guess she is keening awaiting results of Midterms to help make final decision.

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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by SteveS » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:05 am

Below is link for more political betting odds for various possibilities and the 2020 Prez election for possible candidates. Just continue to click this link anytime for updated odds for the 2020 election. Odds now (+3000) indicating Hillary will not toss her hat into the 2020 Dem candidate ring. I think the young Dem voters (millennials) are ready for a younger candidate to represent the Party in 2020? But, many of these younger millennials voted for Bernie Sanders in 2016 to represent them in the 2016 Dem primary.

I was very surprised to see Dem Beto O’ Rourke do so well running against Ted Cruz (50-48) for the Senate seat in Texas. And I now note Beto is now among the favorite Dem Candidates +500 to win the 2020 Dem primary.

Note: The Dem Party is the odds on favorite to win Prez in 2020 at -125 to Reps -105.

If anyone happens to come across an AA rated time for Beto, please post.

I have a cousin who lives in Texas who called me yesterday and said O' Rourke would be the next Prez. I made a bet of 50$ to win 250$ on Beto O' Rourke to win 2020 Dem Primary at + 500 & a 50$ bet on Beto to win 500$ for 2020 Prez +1000. Hell, if Trump can win Prez, I most certainly can see Beto winning Prez!

https://www.bovada.lv/sports/politics

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Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:46 pm

Your cousin is not the only person thinking this. See Obama's career.

But you know, the midterms are not entirely over yet. I recommend waiting till all the votes are counted before betting on the next election. Just for form, you know.

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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by SteveS » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:41 am

JSAD wrote”
Your cousin is not the only person thinking this. See Obama's career.
Exactly JSAD, a most excellent point! Obama, an unknown in 2008 came out of nowhere and somewhat shockingly took the Dem Primary from Hillary and went on to become Prez. Trump, with absolutely no political experience or any endorsements from Rep Party came out of nowhere and took Rep Primaries and went on to become Prez. It seems the norm has become unexpected revolutionary results with major elections.
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But you know, the midterms are not entirely over yet.
Indeed! And if memory is serving me this morning, I believe pre-election you stated you thought the final results of key races may be contested and take a while to sort out. I think with what is developing in a couple contested Senate races may be a blatant reflection of DC’s Libsolar with that partile Moon-Mars cnj. We might as well get ready for an all out war pertaining to what is developing in Florida and maybe Arizona Senate races, as well as a couple other non-declared election results.

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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:38 am

SteveS wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:41 am
I think with what is developing in a couple contested Senate races may be a blatant reflection of DC’s Libsolar with that partile Moon-Mars cnj. We might as well get ready for an all out war pertaining to what is developing in Florida and maybe Arizona Senate races, as well as a couple other non-declared election results.
I think Trump is really feeling the partile Moon-Mars cnj. He's been having a fit since Tuesday, shouting at black female reporters and Jim Acosta. He doesn't seem to know a couple of counties in Florida always take weeks to count their votes, in part thanks to Marco Rubio who's pushing to keep Florida ballots from being counted at all, and absentee and mailed in ballots are not usually counted on election day.

Have you noticed candidates supported by the NRA mostly lost? Rational, sensible gun control may be on our horizons. If not this congress, then maybe the next one.

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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by SteveS » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:14 am

JSAD wrote and asked:
Have you noticed candidates supported by the NRA mostly lost? Rational, sensible gun control may be on our horizons. If not this congress, then maybe the next one.
No, I did not notice this about the NRA candidates losing, I just don't follow/know politics as well as you do. But I think there are 33 Senate seats up for grabs in 2020. Is this correct? With what I am see/feeling as the general voting mood for at least half the voting bases in country, maybe more, I think there may be a good chance we see the Dems controlling all branches of the government after the 2020 election. Voting bases on both sides of the political factions are screaming for change--a-lot of it ---radical change. I see a tremendous amount of volatility symbolized for the 2020 Libsolar before 2020 election. I am expecting radical changes, noting will surprise me in the 2020 election. I hope I have an AA rated timed birth for whoever the 2020 Dem candidate running for Prez. One thing for certain--2020 elections will not be boring. :)

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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:16 am

If it's Biden or someone born in California, you're home free on AA. For the others... good luck!
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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by SteveS » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:43 am

Jim wrote:
If it's Biden or someone born in California, you're home free on AA. For the others... good luck!
I hear you Jim, If not Hillary again or Biden, high % no AA time.

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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:41 pm

SteveS wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:14 am
But I think there are 33 Senate seats up for grabs in 2020. Is this correct?
There are 33 Senate seats up for grabs every two years. There are 100 senators and they serve a 6 year term. The elections are staggered so 1/3 of them are up every other year. The last time the Class 1 Senators was up for election in 2012, mostly Democrats were elected, so this year, it was mostly Democrats who were up for re-election. There just weren't that many Republicans with seats at risk.
In 2020, there will be more Republicans up for re-election, and a bigger chance of picking up some seats for Democrats. But, I am not sure the Republicans will lose the Senate till 2022 or even 2024.
I hope I have an AA rated timed birth for whoever the 2020 Dem candidate running for Prez. One thing for certain--2020 elections will not be boring. :)
I gotta tell you, I think 2020 will be a fight, but I think Trump will be re-elected.

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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by SteveS » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:14 am

JSAD wrote:
I gotta tell you, I think 2020 will be a fight, but I think Trump will be re-elected.
Interesting JSAD, would be interested in your reasons for thinking he will be re-elected. I feel we have good probability we will see a new Prez, based primarily on 2020 Libsolar very rare Mercury-Uranus-Pluto Paran. But, I could see with this Mercury-Uranus-Pluto Paran, if he is re-elected we will see ‘Revolutionary’ actions in the streets of the Country.

2020 Mundo Libsolar:

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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:53 am

I think the Republicans have been gerrymandering and packing the courts while Democrats just won't fight dirty enough.

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Re: 2020 Prez Election

Post by SteveS » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:34 am

Thanks JSAD.

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