EURO 2020 & Copa América Finals

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EURO 2020 & Copa América Finals

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:42 am

This Sunday will be the finals match for arguably the second-most watched football (soccer) tournament, the UEFA EURO Cup. It takes place every four years (every leap year) and is participated by European national football teams. But this time, due to the pandemic, the EURO 2020 was postponed to 2021.

I am not really a fan of football, but like the FIFA World Cup, I tend to keep up with Euro matches because it's a global event that everyone talks about. Not this year, though. Haven't gotten the time nor the interest to catch up. Nonetheless, this is another excellent opportunity to look into the mundane astrology of this year's finals.

The EURO 2020 has been full of surprises, and for this year's finals, we have England vs Italy! Indeed a surprise for England, who have never been on the EURO finals prior to this.

Match details:
England vs Italy
11th July, 2021 (Sunday)
8.00pm BST (GMT+1)
Wembley Stadium, London (I'm using Wembley, England on Solar Fire for the event.)

A football/soccer match is 90 minutes long, with halftime at 45 minutes. 30 minutes of extra time if no one's leading, followed by penalty shoot-outs if scores are still level.
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Re: EURO 2020 Finals

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:46 am

Thought I'd share my analysis for fun. :mrgreen:

I'm referring to Chapter 30 of SMA 17, "Athletic Competitions" to refresh my memory on sports competition diagnostics.

Both London's and Rome's Capsolars appear to be dormant. SMA 17 instructs that I refer to the prior Cansolar as the yearly chart instead. Jim, do you still recommend this? Your stance on the Cansolar has indeed shifted from back then.

London's Cansolar is still dormant, but Rome's Cansolar has Jupiter closely on the Descendant, with Pluto!

Moving onward to the Quarter charts. The current Arisolar for both London and Rome are active, so they are the acting quarter charts, right?
London has Venus square MC partile, and the Sun is within 2 degrees above the Descendant. When it comes to football, Venus has been a sign of victory (since the partying only begins if the team wins), so this looks positive...
...Especially when compared to Rome's Arisolar! Saturn is exactly on the IC, partile.

Jim on SMA 17 says that it's most important to focus on picking the losers, which are usually indicated by an angular Saturn, and Jupiter does not override an angular Saturn. So, (my judgement) I assume Rome's Arisolar is enough to show a loss? Even though it's just a quarter chart and not a yearly one.

Looking at the daily charts:
(Using 10PM for the event chart)
London's Capsolar has no transits, its CapQ has nothing on angles either.
No Capsolar transits for Rome, but Pluto is on CapQ MC.

Looking at the Cansolar transits and CanQ, just in case:
London has no transits, but p.Venus is partile conjunct EP, and sq MC if using a 2° orb.
Rome has Sun squaring its Cansolar Ascendant and Mercury squaring MC. But as for its Cansolar, p.Moon is square MC, if using a 2° orb. Moon is a common marker for losers.

So, to sum it up, Italy is the one having Saturn angular, despite also having Jupiter, whereas England is just partying all the way. They also have the "home advantage". England and its fans worldwide would certainly be partying all night if they finally win the Euro's for the first time. But they might also be partying anyway since it's the first time they've been to the finals too!

So what do you guys think? Did I do this right? Is my analysis sound? And most importantly, is it "coming home", as the English say, or is it coming to Rome?

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Re: EURO 2020 Finals

Post by SteveS » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:57 am

Scales wrote and asked:
So what do you guys think? Did I do this right? Is my analysis sound? And most importantly, is it "coming home", as the English say, or is it coming to Rome?
Your analysis looks sound Scales :) . I am away from Solarfire so can't look at the charts. Maybe Jim can offer his analysis, since he wrote the book for Mundane Sports forecasting.

Vegas odds are:
England the clear favorite at -150
Italy a slight underdog at +105

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Re: EURO 2020 Finals

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:07 am

Thanks, Steve :) Thanks for the Vegas odds too! It's interesting to see England at the favourite. 🤩

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Copa América 2020 Finals

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:34 am

It appears that the Copa América 2020 has been postponed to this year as well. It's not as popularly watched where I live, but I thought I'd have a look at its finals too.

Match details:
Argentina vs Brazil
10th July 2021 (Saturday)
9.00pm BRT (GMT -3)
Maracanã Stadium, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (I'll use 10.30pm for the event chart.)

The two giants of South American football/soccer are up against each other! No wonder this match is being looked forward to worldwide.

I think the loser here is easier to determine.

Buenos Aires' Capsolar looks horrific with Mars and Saturn partile on angles. Jupiter is there too, so technically Mars and Jupiter are angular, but overlooking Saturn's partile angularity in this case would be outright foolish.
Brasilia's Capsolar has the Moon 2°35' below the Descendant, so I believe this chart is active. Otherwise we'd have to look at its prior Cansolar, which has Saturn on MC, complicating this. The Moon is a common losing mark, but not as much as Saturn is, surely.

Buenos Aires' Arisolar has Jupiter on the Descendant, but the Capsolar comes first, and it's terribly afflicted.
Brasilia's Arisolar is dormant.

Buenos Aires has t.Venus conjunct Capsolar EP on match day, but in the CapQ, Moon is barely conjunct the Ascendant, if a 2° orb is used.
Brasilia's Capsolar, OTOH, has transiting Jupiter squaring MC! The CapQ also has Moon angular though (this time, conj. EP if a 2° orb is used).

I think it's safe to say that with Buenos Aires' strongly-afflicted Capsolar, and t.Jupiter's square to Brasilia's Capsolar MC, that Argentina would be the clear loser.

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Re: EURO 2020 Finals

Post by SteveS » Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:06 am

Scales wrote:
I think it's safe to say that with Buenos Aires' strongly-afflicted Capsolar, and t.Jupiter's square to Brasilia's Capsolar MC, that Argentina would be the clear loser.
Vegas certainly agrees with your analysis Scales!
Brazil a solid favorite: -175
Argentina the underdog: +135

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Re: EURO 2020 Finals

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:26 am

Very nice! :mrgreen: Thanks again, Steve.

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Re: Copa América 2020 Finals

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:59 pm

TheScales_BothWays wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:34 am
Match details:
Argentina vs Brazil
10th July 2021 (Saturday)
9.00pm BRT (GMT -3)
Maracanã Stadium, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Argentina won, 1-0! They've finally won the Copa América after a 28-year drought. 🥳
Also, try Googling "Argentina" or "Copa America" for a pretty effect, especially with Google on dark mode.

Argentina shot a goal around the first 20 minutes, and they never let Brazil have a chance to control the ball! Brazil's players seemed extremely frustrated. Argentina's shining star, Lionel Messi could've shot another goal near the end of the match, sealing any sort of hope for Brazil, but he missed.

Looking back at my diagnostics:
Maybe I shouldn't have dismissed the angular (yet afflicted) Mars-Jupiter co-angularity in Buenos Aires' Capsolar?
More likely, I suppose I shouldn't have underestimated angular Moon on Brasilia's Capsolar. After all, Jim says in SMA that the Moon appears to be "anti-athletic", and there's two instances of Moon being angular for Brasilia (Capsolar and CapQ).

Also, Argentina is the one having Venus transiting its Capsolar angle (celebrating), despite t.Jupiter squaring Brasilia's MC. Here's the scene in Buenos Aires at fulltime:
https://twitter.com/Datoworld/status/14 ... 7520948224

Up next is the Euro 2020 finals! I don't think I would be able to watch it live, though. It's on Monday, 3am over here, and I have work along with my second vaccination appointment later that day.

Do share your thoughts on my analyses – did I miss anything crucial in the Copa America match? Should I reconsider my diagnostics of the Euro's?

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Re: EURO 2020 & Copa América Finals

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:00 pm

MARS-Jupiter seems a consistent signal of competitive excellence, physical excellence, etc
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Re: EURO 2020 & Copa América Finals

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:33 pm

Agreed, Jim. If it weren't for Saturn's affliction, my wager would surely be on Argentina.

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Re: EURO 2020 & Copa América Finals

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:25 pm

The only thing being reported on US national tv stations is that fans without tickets stormed the stadium. A bare mention of who won, and then scenes of fans breaking through barriers.

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Re: EURO 2020 & Copa América Finals

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:31 am

I knew soccer isn't that big of a sport in the US, but I didn't know it was this un-newsworthy :lol:

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Re: EURO 2020 & Copa América Finals

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:42 am

Italy won the Euro's.
It was a draw (1-1) and when it came to the penalty shootouts, Italy scored 3 out of 5 penalties, whereas England only scored 2. So Italy won!
(And google "Italy" or "Euro 2020" for a nice effect.)

Looking back at my analysis, I guess I should prioritise the yearly chart over quarterly one. Italy also has Pluto on its CapQ angle (and Cansolar), showing their sudden change of odds and their penalty win. I believe some criticised England's penalty shooter choices - that better players could've been chosen instead.

And as I had suspected, England's first-ever entry to the Euro finals was probably enough to justify Venus' angularity in London's Cansolar and CapQ.

All in all, this was great exercise for someone casually looking into sports astrology! Got it wrong, but now I know better.

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Re: EURO 2020 & Copa América Finals

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:28 am

TheScales_BothWays wrote:
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Looking back at my analysis, I guess I should prioritise the yearly chart over quarterly one.
Yes. In the Super Bowl study, the Quarter charts were too strong to entirely ignore, but the Year chart was really the basis of everything that mattered.
And as I had suspected, England's first-ever entry to the Euro finals was probably enough to justify Venus' angularity in London's Cansolar and CapQ.
For the Super Bowl, Venus isn't a good indicator of winning because everybody on both sides is already having a big party that day no matter what. However, Steve has had some good examples of other matches - games of the kind that weren't "everybody is partying anyway" - where Venus was a good indicator.
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Re: EURO 2020 & Copa América Finals

Post by SteveS » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:07 am

Jim wrote:
However, Steve has had some good examples of other matches - games of the kind that weren't "everybody is partying anyway" - where Venus was a good indicator.
The only times I like to risk my $ is when I see strong symbolism telling me the underdog wins the game. In other words, Vegas has the betting odds wrong. Why! Because if you always bet on the favorites there is app. 1 out of 3 times Sidereal Mundane Astrology fails. For example: If you risked your $ on 3 Vegas Favorites at 2-1 odds and always won 2 out of 3 times, you would only break even. You don't want to risk your $ when the probabilities says you only break even over the long run.

When Sidereal Mundane Astrology tells me the underdog is most likely to win, then I allow much more weight to strong Venus symbolism for that underdog than I would to a Vegas favorite with the same strong Venus symbolism. I still have not looked at the charts for these two soccer games. A seasoned gambler who has experience with Vegas odds making has more advantages using Sidereal Mundane Astrology than a non seasoned gambler, but even then you will not win all of your picks only betting the underdogs with Sidereal Mundane Astrology. The actual two team's fan psychology differs more than just winning and losing psychology, but this is very difficult to explain with many subtleties. For example: If a team's fan base was use to winning championships vs a team's fan base that had not won any championships, I would allow much more weight to angular Mars alone on the team's fan base who were use to winning championships---that they would lose with anger. In other words in this case, I would allow Mars equal weight to Saturn for losing a championship game. Regardless, what we think we know or don't know, its still a-lot of fun recreational gambling with Sidereal Astrology. :)

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Re: EURO 2020 & Copa América Finals

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:25 pm

Thanks Jim and Steve for your valuable input. :)

Steve, I see your point about understanding a team's fan psychology :geek:

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Re: EURO 2020 & Copa América Finals

Post by SteveS » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:56 am

Scales wrote:
Steve, I see your point about understanding a team's fan psychology :geek:
Thanks Scales :). Can't wait for the World Cup, the last World Cup with Sidereal Mundane Astrology analysis banked me some coins. I look forward to working with you on Sidereal Mundane Astrology for the World Cup and will let you take the lead since you have more of an interest in Soccer than me, it will be fun. :)

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Re: EURO 2020 & Copa América Finals

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:01 am

SteveS wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:56 am
I look forward to working with you on Sidereal Mundane Astrology for the World Cup and will let you take the lead since you have more of an interest in Soccer than me, it will be fun.
Oh, I am not that much of a fan of soccer haha. It's just that soccer forms a huge part of the sports culture on this side of the world. But yes, would love to work together in the next World Cup! :D

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