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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:22 am

Vegas odds don't matter in a straight winner-loser call with benefics vs. malefics.

Where Vegas odds DO matter is when the only symbolism that matters is Uranus-Pluto odds-reversal. That's the only way I was able to pick Cincinnati's upset win.

Also, if there isn't any clear indication of winner or loser, I figure the odds are with the odds makers - they're probably right most of the time.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:27 am

I agree Jim!!!! I have more questions to discuss later.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:43 am

New Vegas Odds to win Super Bowl:
KC +130
LA +200
San Fran +400
Cincy +800

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:51 am

SteveS wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:43 am
New Vegas Odds to win Super Bowl:
KC +130
LA +200
San Fran +400
Cincy +800
I'm most interested in Cincy vs. KC outcome, of course, I used somewhat irregular ways to call this one (but went with what I had). I stand by it, win or lose, as the smartest call, and - fitting the symbolism - it will blow people away if I happen to be right.

However, both of those teams have Saturn on a quotidian angle for the Super Bowl itself, so in that sense it doesn't matter. In comparison, LA has Jupiter and Venus. At this point, going by the above odds, an LA win isn't thought as unreasonable as it once was.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:25 am

I just saw a quote that summarizes this game and my method of prediction well: "Neither team lost this game but Kansas City won."

BTW, note the description below of the surge of fan emotion I expected at the very end.
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Buffalo vs Kansas City 1/23 app end of game 10:00 PM EST KC favored by 2
Buffalo has no indicators that would make me call the game either way, though Mars transiting Cansolar WP says they'll face heavy opposition.

KC has the Capsolar you like (I'm more inclined to trust Venus in a non-championship game, but it still may not be too important). In the absence of the CapQ saying anything, check the CanQ and get Neptune. At game's end, Moon will square Capsolar MC and Venus suggesting some brief surge of fan emotion. I don't see a clear indication of a winner, but with Buffalo getting beat up the worst for the day, I''d side with the handicappers and say KC probably wins.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:59 pm

Right on Jim--KC won in a most bizarre fashion--most in the sporting world considers it a miracle. :shock:

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However, both of those teams have Saturn on a quotidian angle for the Super Bowl itself, so in that sense it doesn't matter. In comparison, LA has Jupiter and Venus. At this point, going by the above odds, an LA win isn't thought as unreasonable as it once was.
Exactly Jim--brilliant! But here is the problem for the SMA bettor: Most expert sources are saying if there is a Cincy vs LA match-up in the Super Bowl---LA will be a 5-7 point favorite. If true, a SMA bettor can't make a wager because LA could easily win by a field goal and not cover the point spread---so the SMA bettor must look in advance of the Super Bowl for the best odds wager on LA. At this moment the best bet on Vegas betting board for LA to win the Super Bowl is LA +200 to win the Super Bowl, because all LA has to do is win the Super Bowl (no point spread) which is what you are predicting. You and SMA are not predicting LA covers the point spread if they are playing Cicny in the Super Bowl, only that LA wins the Super Bowl--BUT LA could win the game and not cover the point spread---defeciting the bank account. None the less, you offer the best SMA analysis possible since you my friend wrote the book on SMA :) . Lets project forward and say you nail the Super Bowl match-up with Cincy-LA. This is how I am betting this possible match-up NOW:

100 $ on LA at + 200 to win 200 $ to win Super Bowl. Then if LA makes it to Super Bowl vs Cincy-- Cincy will be at least a +200 on the Money Line wager to win Super Bowl. This means I have the option to then bet 100 $ on Cincy Money Line at +200 and win 200 $, winning 100 $ no matter who wins the Super Bowl. :D

But my main bet is Cincy + 7 vs KC, if I win this point spread wager-- I recoup my loses on Dallas. But none of this type betting could not have been possible without your "Rabbit Hole" analysis, and remember: I know ways to break near even on wagering---even if your Rabbit Hole analysis turns out to be wrong. For example on my betting stradegy for the Cincy vs Titians game---if the Titians had won this game---only 10 $ would have been deducted from the bank account---but Cincy won as you/SMA predicted---so the worst that can happen in the KC-Cincy match-up for my original betting stradgey is break even, and the best is a 300 $ win if Cincy wins vs KC. This is sheer fun entertainment! Your Rabbit Hole analysis is not going to always work this easily--many times you will not be able to see with SMA something with high % like the Cincy SMA situation---so no bets--no risk. You are the only SMA astrologer on the planet who was born with the natural gift for powers of thought with "depth" using SMA (Your Natal Mercury-Saturn conjunction). Plus your Natal Uranus is Vargottama conjunct Jupiter :)-- and we all know you are an exceptional SMA astrologer. Does not mean you will always see the winners/losers correctly but most of the time it really doesn't matter if you are wrong with my kind of betting stradgey. At the very least---we have some fun passing time. :)
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:03 pm

Today's stock market looks like yesterday's football games.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:10 pm

Its going to get worse---the Federal Reserve is in a Jam! In order to keep the Dems in office the FR is going to have to get agressive with higher interest rates to help combact inflation---the equities (Stock Market) does not like this....We are pprobably in the early stages of big time commodities inflation (Oil/Gas)---could be the greatest we have ever seen with the April Jup-Nep 0.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:58 pm

Here are Vegas Point spreads for the 4 possible Super Bowl match-ups:
KC -1.5 vs LA
KC -2.5 vs 49ers
LA -4 vs Cincy
49ers -1.5 vs Cincy

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:54 am

Jim wrote:
Tampa has Uranus and Pluto indicators, always making us suspect many turnovers and ultimately going against the odds.
Tampa was favored by 3 points and had an abnormal amount of turnovers (4). Clearly, it was these turnovers which cost Tampa the Win.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:34 pm

👍 Outstanding pick Jim on Cincy!

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:53 pm

SteveS wrote:
Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:34 pm
👍 Outstanding pick Jim on Cincy!
Thank you :)

It was an unusual path, so I'll take some personal credit but - bottom line - it's a win for Sidereal astrology. If I'm reading the news correctly, nobody expected this to happen, but I couldn't see that KC would win.

Now... what's the expectation on LA vs. SF? Compared to most earlier games in these playoffs, the charts are unusually clear that LA wins. Any news on the ground (like players being out etc.) that could tip the game tonight?
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:15 pm

Reposting an earlier post (trimmed a little now that we have the outcome of last weekend).
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Super Bowl Feb 13 2022 app end of game 9:00 PM (Inglewood California)
If the above [earlier analysis] is correct, Los Angeles will play Cincinnati in Los Angeles. That gives a significant fan and energy advantage. How do the charts look for the two teams?

Year:
Los Angeles (Capsolar): Moon 18', Mars 1°18', Neptune 1°26', Moon-Mars-Neptune &c.
Cincinatti (Capsolar): Sun 0°22', Pluto 1°21', Su/Pl 0°30' + Moon-Neptune 1°33' M
Conclusion: No clear winner or loser. Cincinatti has some extra heroism. With Mars, LA takes the worst beating and the chart is emotionally bad overall. No clear conclusion, though LA gets the worst of it.

Quotidians:
Los Angeles: CanQ has Jupiter just outside of orb, Asc sq. ingress Venus 0°12'. Venus doesn't win Super Bowls and there will be lots of partying in LA/Inglewood.
Cincinatti (CapQ): MC op. t Sun 0°54', Asc sq. t Saturn 1°39'
Conclusion: Cincinnati Saturn crossing. LA wins.

Transits:
Los Angeles (Capsolar): t Neptune on WP-a [+ t Saturn on Cansolar MC]
Cincinatti (Capsolar): t Moon on MC, t Pluto on IC
Conclusion: No conclusion.

CONCLUSION:
Los Angeles Rams win the Super Bowl.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:16 am

For LA: Mundane Capsolar Jupiter partile cnj Capsolar Vx. Maybe a good indicator for a winner? If so, we have Jupiter (Capsolar) winner for LA and Saturn (CapQ) loser for Cincy.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:54 am

SteveS wrote:
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For LA: Mundane Capsolar Jupiter partile cnj Capsolar Vx. Maybe a good indicator for a winner? If so, we have Jupiter (Capsolar) winner for LA and Saturn (CapQ) loser for Cincy.
Vertex in mundane charts (ingresses and their quotidians) don't stand up. I have a study published on it somewhere. For the large set of hundreds of negative events where Mars and Saturn dominated the angles (and Jupiter and Venus mostly avoided angles), the Vertex contacts were mostly Venus and Jupiter - the opposite of what we expect - so much so I almost started interpreting the Vertex as a suppressive factor instead of an enhancing factor. (But the statistical scores weren't strong enough to justify that either.)

HOWEVER, we do have something else interesting that I'd have missed if you hadn't posted this. Though they are wider than we normally use for ingresses (Class 2), Jupiter makes a type of mundane aspect I've labelled PVP aspects ("prime vertical parans"). While Jupiter's "angularity" on Vertex wouldn't count, the fact that the Vertex (the prime vertical) always exactly squares the meridian suggests that Jupiter squares the Moon-Mars opposition along the meridian. This isn't as close as one might suspect. In azimuth:

25°27' - Mars on IC
29°31' - Jupiter on Vx
0°00' - Vertex and Meridian ------------------------
3°02' - Neptune on Vx
4°34' - Moon on MC

This gives us a 4°04' Mars-Jupiter PVP square (good for winning, if the aspect is close enough to count) and a 5°03' Moon-Jupiter square. Furthermore, the Moon/Mars midpoint is 0°00' from the angle! (Mars is 4°33' on one side of IC, Moon 4°34' on the other side of MC). This means Jupiter = Moon/Mars is only 0°29' wide in this framework.

This doesn't change the outcome: If it's valid, then it reinforces an LA win, but if it's not valid then it means nothing. Nonetheless, it's interesting.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:43 am

Jim wrote:
This means Jupiter = Moon/Mars is only 0°29' wide in this framework. This doesn't change the outcome: If it's valid, then it reinforces an LA win, but if it's not valid then it means nothing. Nonetheless, it's interesting.
Indeed--interesting. I just noticed Cincy was 125-1 on Vegas pre-season betting board to win the AFC Championship. A 20 $ wager on Cincy would have banked 2,500 $ :shock: . KC was the odds on preseason favorite to win the AFC Championship so we would have known the date of the AFC Championship and could have looked at SMA charts with a possible Cincy-KC match-up. Jim, I may be asking you to go down some more SMA Rabbit Holes in the future :) . Can you imagine what fun it would have been to have Cincy on a 20 $ wager to win 2,500 $ to win the AFC Championship game. Plus--we had our own charts to look at for this possible KC-Cincy future's match-up before the season began. So much fun for a couple of Virgos to analyze with SMA for low risk high reward wagers. :)

Cincy was a preseason + 8000 to win Super Bowl; LA a preseason + 1,200 to win Suber Bowl. So far, 62% of wagering $ is on Cincy + 4.5 point spread with 38% of money on LA -4.5 point spread.

LA a 4.5 favorite point spread for Super Bowl. LA a -210 Money Line to win Super Bowl, meaning the bettor to have LA winning the Super Bowl with a ML wager has to risk 210 $ to win 100 $. Vegas defintely expects LA to win Super Bowl.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Shawn_C » Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:40 pm

As an astrologer and a sports bettor living in Las Vegas, this Sports Astrology forum has my attention. I must confess that I am mostly ignorant about Sidereal Astrology, having practiced every day western astrology for 30 plus years. What direction would you point me in to gain some traction on this conversation? I have Sirius software and i suppose it does Sidereal calculations, but I am not really sure....
For what it's worth, I made a regular wager on Bengals plus 4 points and a half sized wager on Bengals to win, but I can't count out the Rams entirely

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:40 pm

Start with this free report:
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=364
titled 50 Superbowl Games.

Then read through SMA, which is the very large, free book Sidereal Mundane Astrology
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=4017
The book is available through a link in the first post in that thread, and I gave some advice on how to read it in the second post.

And finally, there's TMSA, Time Matters Sidereal Astrology, which is a free program to calculate Sidereal charts. It's still being written, but in chunks, so you can use what's done before the next chunk gets written.
viewtopic.php?f=60&t=5664 is version 4.5
viewtopic.php?f=60&t=5663 is a stable version 3, but I suggest you download 4.5.
TMSA is better than other software for our purposes and more accurate than most commercial software.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:04 pm

Sidereal mundane astrology wins again!
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by mikestar13 » Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:25 pm

Score another win for SMA and the Rams' first Super Bowl win in LA (their only other win was in St. Louis). Dramatic come from behind win at 1:25 left in the game. I'm not much of a football fan these days, but I've watched every Super Bowl ever played and am not planning to stop until I stop breathing--this game was among the best.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:30 pm

The passionate San Francisco and Kansas City fans at work are already distressed that I was right on nearly every game in the last month, and they couldn't quite understand why I was making such foolish predictions. I just told them I have a system and, hey, it's a game. We all win some and lose some.

I think most of them were holding out that I'd blown the handicapping on the final match. It's going to be rough at work tomorrow.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:07 am

:) Some of the best SMA predictions on the planet Jim for the last 9 playoff games of the season. Late March, when we get to the Elite 8 for NCAA Basketball Tournment I want you to go back down into those "Rabbit Holes" and see what you pull out with your excellent SMA analysis.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:51 pm

SteveS wrote:
Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:07 am
:) Some of the best SMA predictions on the planet Jim for the last 9 playoff games of the season. Late March, when we get to the Elite 8 for NCAA Basketball Tournment I want you to go back down into those "Rabbit Holes" and see what you pull out with your excellent SMA analysis.
That starts this weekend, doesn't it?
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by cometwolf » Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:49 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:51 pm
SteveS wrote:
Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:07 am
:) Some of the best SMA predictions on the planet Jim for the last 9 playoff games of the season. Late March, when we get to the Elite 8 for NCAA Basketball Tournment I want you to go back down into those "Rabbit Holes" and see what you pull out with your excellent SMA analysis.
That starts this weekend, doesn't it?
Hi Jim
Yes, we are down to the FINAL FOUR teams left in the NCAAB Tourney
No. 1 Kansas vs. No. 2 Villanova
No. 2 Duke vs. No. 8 North Carolina

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-me ... dule-dates

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