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US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:47 pm

USA Mundane Forecast
for the four weeks beginning OCTOBER 13, 2021

If you are unfamiliar with the methods and interpretations of Sidereal mundane astrology, please see my free book Sidereal Mundane Astrology. (A link can be found near the top of the Publications sub-forum.) For standard interpretations, see Chapter 8 of the current (17th) Edition.

USA Mundane Forecast §§§ The Biden Report §§§ Other Locations §§§ Ingress Summaries §§§ Transits to Capsolar Planets §§§ Outer Planet Sign Transits


LONG-TERM (Solar Ingresses)
Capsolar effective Jan 14, 2021 to Jan 14, 2022. (Summarized from my original interpretation in the Jan 13-Feb 9 forecast.)
  • More severe than 2020, but a year of action instead of paralysis.
  • Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn continues to define conditions, emphasizing autonomous survival and solitary self-sufficiency.
  • MARS square SATURN (0°34', exactly angular). Harsh, hateful, hurtful, destructive hardship, e.g., deadly violence, fires, explosions, financial crises. Fosters hate + conflict arising from feeling powerless, shamed, diminished: Primitives competing for basic survival amidst widespread hardship.
  • JUPITER square URANUS (0°42'). Recovery and salvation through scientific advances and social revolution. Collective optimism anticipating good change. Broadly, boldly liberal government or political activism: Ideological rebellion, remapping the larger social contract, liberal social agendas (demanding wider horizons, expanded and diversified opportunity, civil liberties). Invention, futurism, new tech (or tech vision), and “good science” engage imagination. (Uncommon for disasters except floods.)
  • Activity and activism, rarely gentle or well-behaved.
  • Mars-Uranus. Explosive: physical or psychological "bombshells," surprise attack, sudden action, "lightning war" (blitzkrieg). Moon-Uranus. Swiftly changing circumstances requiring rapid adaptation and response. Moon-Mars. A broad sense of emergency: Violence, fire, disaster, damage, assassination (or other severe crisis for leaders).
  • Economic difficulties: Economic crisis and threatened markets (Jupiter to Mars-Saturn). Shifting conditions in banking and economic management (Pluto, Saturn, Jupiter in Capricorn). The upside: We surely need to consume significant resources for economic recovery.
  • Structural investment. Rebuilding economic foundations and physical infrastructure.
  • Spinning up the wheels of industry, economic expansion: Greater industry and productivity (from the same aspects).
  • Mars-Jupiter is stormy (including destructive weather). Forward momentum, expansive, with an enterprising spirit useful to recovery. Post-pandemic era of opportunity for new entrepreneurs, renewed entrepreneurial spirit, readily available capital investment.
Libsolar (Oct 18)
Effective Oct 18 to Jan 15. Throughout 2021, national and personal charts have shown great threats - including mortal threats - to President Biden. While it is possible these are legal or political threats, they more closely resemble the astrological patterns for the eight presidents who have died in office, especially those who died from assassination. In mid-October, we enter a time when the convergence of Sun, malefics, and Pluto on angles and in aspect that characterize deaths of president (though, of course, other outcomes are possible).

The same aspects could signify an assault on the body and spiritual heart of the nation. Charts for 2021 would make more sense if we were at war - a big war! - though, as I write this in December 2020, it seems unrealistic that a world emerging from a terrible worldwide pandemic would turn to war. Natural disasters could strike in the fashion of a Category 5 hurricane. A lesser possibility (I think it less likely) is that a new winter brings a new pandemic wave.

Pluto is 0°43' from Westpoint, suggesting high impact events. Saturn, 2° from Descendant, suggests loss, unhappiness, burden, and death: Life conditions are extraordinarily dreary. Most importantly, Sun is 3° from IC in ecliptical square to Pluto (0°42') and mundane square to Saturn (0°52). Mars conjoins Sun and squares Pluto. This assault on Sun (meaning: people and things signified by Sun) is severe.

Pluto (square Mars) sets through New Orleans and along a curve northwest into Montana. Mars is on IC on Florida's west coast and due north to about Detroit, with Pluto angular through Miami.


MEDIUM-TERM (The Bridge)

ALL MONTH: Pluto Uranus. Transiting Pluto squares Cansolar Moon. Transiting Uranus squares Capsolar Ascendant. Big changes are in motion. If we have substantially contained the pandemic, these are the weeks when a "new normal" is forged in action by people returning to jobs, schools, and open connection under new social, economic, and practical circumstances. At best, a sense of freedom and discovery prevails: The masses feel unleashed as if from prison. New conditions are exempt from precedent or prior custom or convention. Revolution may be in the wind as we survey how much of the past has been dismantled already and make way for a new, remapped future.

MOST DAYS OF THIS MONTH, Mars joins Uranus-Pluto. Transiting Mars squares Cansolar MC until Oct 18 and crosses Capsolar IC Oct 31-Nov 6, days when fiery, startling, perhaps explosive Mars-Uranus events erupt especially in the United States. Mars conjoins Cansolar or CanQ Moon Oct 21-30 (except for the 25th), days when the world at large feels Mars-Pluto's wrath. Simply put, there will be more violence, more fires, more hurtful events in general, and more of a sense of emergency or alarm. Police (or possibly military) engagements increase. Accidents and other injuries hold the headlines expressed through aggression, attempts at domination and control, opposition, independence, and defense.

Summaries of longer-term trends from outer planet sign transits are here.


SHORT-TERM (Lunar Ingresses)

Caplunar (Oct 13)
Effective Oct 13 to Nov 9, especially the first week, Oct 13-20. Suggesting a difficult month when struggle for survival is foremost and warring violence is strongly possible, the Caplunar has Saturn 2° from IC and Moon-Sun in partile mundane square. Both luminaries closely aspect Mars square Pluto.

These themes resemble the Libsolar but more general. Saturn angular near New York City always suggests a bad period for the stock market (though Saturn on IC is a little closer to Philadelphia).

Arilunar (Oct 20)
Effective Oct 20-27. For the second week in a row, Moon closely aspects Sun, Mars, and Pluto suggesting that the crisis - likely a violent, eruptive, perhaps explosive crisis - centers on this week. Besides these prime vertical aspects, Moon, Sun, and Mars are PVP square the rising Mercury. describing (at the very least) fiery wars of words and, perhaps wars of other types that require aggressive mobilization and strategic deployment.

Canlunar (Oct 27)
Effective Oct 27 to Nov 3. Saturn is 0°08' from Midheaven, 0°09' from exact PVP square with Mars. Uranus is 1° from Eastpoint. Moon, of course, opposes Pluto (0°37'). This is the most terrible week of a difficult month.

When this strong (as here and in this year's Capsolar), Mars-Saturn aspects are harsh, hateful, and hurtful. The aspect doesn't specialize in any one type of event but, rather, incites destruction and hardship wherever it occurs, whether by declared wars, undeclared warring, murderous shootings, disease spread, explosions, fires and other fiery disasters, and financial panic, among many other possibilities.

Saturn (exactly square Mars) is (1) exactly angular in the Capsolar for the year, (2) closely angular in the new Libsolar for the quarter, (3) on IC for the Caplunar, and (4) exactly culminating (square Mars) in the Canlunar. This strikes every level except for the day. (Saturn crossed CapQ MC four days earlier, on 10/23.) Transiting Saturn remains in orb of Libsolar Descendant and square LibQ Midheaven 10/27.

Liblunar (Nov 3)
Nov 3-9. Saturn's grip continues with the Liblunar: The new week likely will resemble the old except, perhaps, for scale. Sun is exactly on Midheaven and Saturn on EP, though they are no longer in aspect. Sun opposes Uranus and, mundanely, Uranus squares Pluto. (Moon, of course, squares Pluto within 1°.)

It seems the nation continues to be battered and the president, in particular, is on the receiving end. Something is shaking the walls and foundations of government. Biden is especially in the crosshairs, perhaps with a national call for new leadership. (Miami has Saturn exactly angular.)
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The Biden Report

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:47 pm

SIDEREAL LUNAR RETURN (Oct 20)
Effective Oct 19 to Nov 17. Acting boldly and striking outside usual bounds of protocol and convention, President Biden seems ready, in this new month, to take on difficult challenges with great force.

Natal Uranus (Asc 0°08') and Mars (WP 0°36') are most angular, with transiting Uranus square MC and natal Venus setting. Besides the natal Mars + Uranus pair, transiting Uranus opposes natal Mars 0°04' mundo. Natal Sun-Venus-Pluto come into new mundane aspect (Sun square Pluto is 0°04' wide). Based on these planets and aspects, we anticipate that he needs plenty of elbow room, acts like a "law unto himself" or exception to the rules, takes risks, and aggressively pushes past limits. Hastiness and possible accidents (physical or behavioral) are always possible with these patterns, though two foreground Venuses seem protective.

An important relationship is threatened. It isn't clear whether this is a foreign alliance, collegial relations, or someone personally dear to him. Besides natal Venus-Pluto in mundane square and natal Venus-Uranus opposed across the horizon, transiting Venus opposes natal Saturn.

Biden has several weeks of transiting Jupiter square natal Mercury (only 0°18' here). However, in this SLR transiting Saturn squares the same Mercury 1°02' mundo. Does this temporarily interrupt the positive run of people listening to him and valuing his ideas? Or does it add another layer, e.g., a conscientious, methodical thoroughness in planning? Writing nearly a year before October 2021, it's hard to say how Biden's presidency has gone thus far, how he typically responds to planetary patterns, or what he's facing in the weeks this chart is in force.

SIDEREAL DEMI-LUNAR RETURN (Nov 4)
Effective Nov 3-17. The last half of President Biden's lunar month is the more difficult half: The piper has to be paid for the bold, unconventional actions of the first half. In fact, the Demi-SLR (at its worse) poses a serious threat: Of all Biden's charts thus far in 2021, no other has expressed such physical threat and sense of emergency.

Two close (and closely angular) aspects define the whole chart: Sun opposite Uranus and Moon conjunct Mars.

Moon conjoins Mars within 0°11' mundo with Moon 0°40' and Mars 0°51' from IC. Circumstances arouse an inflamed emotional response, inciting anger (irritation, friction, strife, temper, intolerance, discontent, quarrels, fights). Highly competent, productive, hasty, and busy, he needs elbow room and freedom to act. His environment seems threatening, harsh, challenging, and primed for things to go wrong. Others outright attack him. Inflammatory sickness often happens with this aspect (or there may be blood).

Sun opposite Uranus (0°51') occurs with Sun and Uranus both square Ascendant. They are atop his natal, angular Mars. The push for ingenious innovation (but also the risk of accidents) persists from the SLR: He gets excited by doing forbidden things, acting spontaneously, and pushing for change and variety. It feels (for example) that Congress has been uncooperative so he now moves forward on his own.

Communications break down and details get in the way (Mercury square Saturn 0°10' mundo). Transiting Jupiter still squares his Mercury within 0°10' and Mercury now squares his Jupiter (0°59'), but foreground Mercury-Saturn is stronger. Whatever he is doing won't be easy. He has good will (foreground Sun squares Jupiter 0°36' mundo), but his openly pushy ways close other ears that would serve him better if he kept open.
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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:48 pm

Geographic areas centered on map lines have a roughly 150-200 mile leeway (3°) for strong effects. For these mappings of planetary energies, see standard interpretations in Chapter 8 of Sidereal Mundane Astrology. (A link to the free current edition can always be found near the top of the Publications sub-forum.) Readers may wish to consider all planet lines and intersections against the standard interpretations.

Caplunar (Oct 13)

Arilunar (Oct 20)

Canlunar (Oct 27)

Liblunar (Nov 3)
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Ingress Summaries

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:48 pm

This section provides the raw components from which forecasts are drawn, to give a quick visual overview and make it easier to see when lunar ingresses echo patterns present in the operative solar ingresses.

SOLAR INGRESSES

CAPSOLAR (Jan 14)
Moon Mercury Mars Saturn (Jupiter Uranus).
Mo/Me Moon-Mars Moon-Uranus.
Mercury-Jupiter Mars-Jupiter Mars-Saturn Mars-Uranus Jupiter-Saturn Jupiter-Uranus.

ARISOLAR (Apr 14)
Moon Jupiter Saturn (Uranus).
Moon-Jupiter. Saturn-Uranus.

LIBSOLAR (Oct 18)
Sun Saturn Pluto (Mars).
Sun-Mars Sun-Saturn Sun-Pluto Mars-Pluto.

LUNAR INGRESSES

CAPLUNAR (Oct 13)
Saturn (Moon Sun).
Moon-Sun Moon-Mars Moon-Pluto (Sun-Mars Sun-Pluto).

ARILUNAR (Oct 20)
Mercury (Mars).
Moon-Sun Moon-Mercury Moon-Mars Moon-Pluto.
Sun-Mercury-Mars.

CANLUNAR (Oct 27)
Saturn Uranus.
Moon-Mercury Moon-Pluto. Mars-Saturn.

LIBLUNAR (Nov 3)
Sun Saturn (Uranus Pluto).
Moon-Mercury Moon-Pluto.
Sun-Uranus Uranus-Pluto (Mercury-Pluto).


PRES. BIDEN'S LUNAR RETURNS

SIDEREAL LUNAR RETURN (Oct 20)
r Uranus on Asc -0°07'
r Mars on WP -0°36'

r Venus on Dsc +2°27'
t Uranus sq. MC -1°54'
r Sun on Dsc +3°26'
r Pluto on IC +3°30'
t Venus on Dsc -4°38'
r Saturn on Asc -6°53'
r Mercury on Dsc +6°47'

-- t Uranus op. r Mars 0°04' mundo
-- r Sun-Pluto sq. 0°04' mundo
-- -- -- r Sun-Venus conj. 0°59' mundo

-- -- -- r Venus-Pluto sq. 1°03' mundo
-- t Saturn sq. r Mercury 1°02' mundo
-- t Saturn op. r Pluto 1°22'
-- t Venus op. r Saturn 1°15' mundo
-- r Venus-Uranus op. 2°34' mundo

SIDEREAL DEMI-LUNAR RETURN (Nov 4)
t Sun sq. Asc +0°13'
t Uranus sq. -0°38'
t Moon on IC -0°40'
t Mars on IC -0°51'

r Moon on IC -1°22'
t Mercury on IC +4°53'
t Saturn on Dsc +5°03'
r Pluto on Asc +6°10'

-- t Mercury-Saturn sq. 0°10' mundo
-- t Moon-Mars conj. 0°12' mundo (t Mars op r Moon 0°37' mundo)
-- t Sun-Uranus op. 0°51'
-- t Saturn op. r Pluto 0°58'
-- -- -- t Mercury sq. r Pluto 1°17' mundo
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Transits to Capsolar Planets

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Transits to Capsolar planets are important identifiers for locales where the 'natal' planet was angular in the Capsolar, or where it spins to a CapQ angle at the time of the aspect.

t Pluto conj. Capsolar Sun ALL MONTH
t Pluto conj. Capsolar Pluto ALL MONTH
t Saturn conj. Capsolar Uranus START-Nov 11
t Saturn conj. Capsolar Jupiter START-Oct 24

t Mars sq. Capsolar Pluto Oct 20-23
t Mars sq. Capsolar Sun Oct 21-24
t Mars sq. Capsolar Saturn Nov 2-5
t Mars sq. Capsolar Mars Nov 3-6
t Mars sq. Capsolar Jupiter Nov 6-9
t Mars sq. Capsolar Uranus Nov 7-10
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Outer planet sign transits

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Pluto in Sagittarius (2005-2021)
Rising cultural waves rejecting or seeking to overthrow traditional Sagittarian themes, which in turn arouse retaliatory assertion or intensification of those ideas. The battlegrounds for these polarized struggles include the overthrow of cultural institutions in general; rejection of imperialism, elitism, economic disparity, abusive taxation, and traditional forms of religion, and academia (with consequent aggressive protection and re-assertion of these things). Efforts to overthrow existing culture (whether one's own culture or that of an enemy), generally rooted in religious fundamentalism, cultural chauvinism, or ideas of racial purity.

More positively, revolutionary developments in the areas of religion and philosophy. Very substantial advances in energy production (primarily for far-reaching travel and exploration, imperialism and exploitation, and the support of commerce through greater energy production). Science supporting more industrial power and laying the foundation for broader and faster travel.

Neptune in Aquarius (2009-2023)
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Suppressed or diffused social progressiveness, squashed rebellions, deranged concepts of liberty, all setting the stage for a future conflict or breakthrough after the transit is over. Imagined new vistas and possibilities without current capacity to reach or manage them. Roused socialist-leaning liberalism. Failure of universalism, futurism, or true enlightenment to flourish. Shortage of dispassionate clarity, fostered ignorance.

This transit reflects living in a time when most people feel like we are living in a science fiction wonderland, "imagining the inconceivable." Change happens so fast, technical progress accelerating far beyond any vision prior generations had to the 21st century (provided it doesn't involve transportation). One aspect of this is increased complexity with life changing faster than neurology can grasp, manage, and keep up. It has fostered technological surveillance and loss of privacy.

Uranus in Aries (2017-2025)
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A volatile time politically. Issues of economics, government, and accelerated armament. Great challenges to the stability of existing alliances: Acute polarization splits former allies (individuals, social groups, or nations) along new axes. Widespread dissatisfaction fuels repudiation of historic closely held views and values. Each such era, while people are passing through it, feels like a transitions between a concluding old cycle and an opening new cycle.

An unyielding, unremitting sense of emergency exists, then autocratic governance increases. Extraordinary autocratic power is yielded (voluntarily granted) to national leaders, who acquire increasing dominion of economic and social issues. Armament, safety, going one's way alone without the encumbrances of alliances... these win out over the demand for personal liberty and social equality. The masses seem more comfortable with an authoritarian father figure to "make everything OK." Absent a state of war, there me be a suspension of checks and balances on autocracy normal to martial law.

Increased polarization and struggle between opposing extremes - each historic period has its own example, whether it be arising fascism vs. socialism (or political elements that, if more extreme, would have emerged as overtly fascist or socialist, extremism of right vs. left), opposing views on slavery, Catholic vs. Protestant wars, etc. Economics (especially trade) are unstable, in a precarious balance. Economics policies become more nationalistic and autistic, increasingly protective, to defend against trade inequities and competition imbalances. Extreme unrest in economically hurting populations.

Saturn in Capricorn (Jan 2020 - Jan 2023)
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Individual and political struggles for survival, autonomy, and self-sufficiency. Land & space: Shortages of land and secure space, redefining boundaries; territorial acquisitions and annexations, mineral rights, mining conflicts; walls, embargoes, spatial segregation, splitting historically separate countries into autonomous nations. Earth & water crises: Ecological concerns regarding climate change; land- and water-based retaliations by the Earth against destabilizing climate change; volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, no-warning fire outbreaks; water and land rights and conservation. Hunger, food-security, and dwelling issues including crop failures and famine; further crumbling of farming as a viable livelihood; hunger may be weaponized (or may be addressed aggressively). Earth-mindful rebellion religions thrive, including renewal and empowerment of paganism. Major finance developments: Vast financial institutional restructuring and management, especially favoring capitalism. Changes in how we collectively control money and commerce including bedrock foundations, controls, and financial restructuring; institutions aimed at money security are created or strengthened; long-standing economic hardship and social disenfranchisement boil over. Fear: Focus on how we manage and respond to it. Disabilities and misfortune draw focus: "Inferiority" (so-called) more visible; disability and genetic bigotry; widespread civil liberties conflicts and civil rights resistance activism. Relief from the arts and laughter.
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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

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This is complete.
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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:09 am

I jut learned that the Supreme Court will fast-track suits challenging the terrible Texas abortion law. They have set November 1 to hear it. I see that, under the Canlunar, I have already called this "the most terrible week of a difficult month." At the very least, there will be great conflict and hostility afoot (see the Bridge and Canlunar), though it looks like the peak is a few days earlier, around October 27.
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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:34 am

I think, but am not sure (because the news reports are being done by people who are clearly confused) that the only part of the TX law that they are going to examine just now is the bit that allows private citizens to enforce it and is an attempt to keep the law out of the jurisdiction of the courts. It may also address the lack of protection for victims of rape and incest, and women who would die if forced to carry.

If the Supreme Court doesn't block that bit, expect laws controlling weapons ownership and forcing people to get vaccinated in quick order.

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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:31 pm

The part they're addressing is thr most crucial part. (The rest is ordinary garbage.) Besides the reasons you mentioned, lawyers who are deeply involved with ACLU and Planned Parenthood on this issue are keeping hands off because, simply by taking up the issue, they could be liable to pursuit under this "bounty" statute. I knew in August that the main strategy was going to be for someone safe - like the DOJ - to take out the bounty component so that others can swoop in.
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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:55 pm

That didn't take long. It appears the court has refused to block it.

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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:58 pm

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:55 pm
That didn't take long. It appears the court has refused to block it.
They've refused to block it right now, but agreed to fast-track any lawsuits brought against it and set aside November 1 to hear them.
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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Veronica » Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:56 am

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:34 am
I think, but am not sure (because the news reports are being done by people who are clearly confused) that the only part of the TX law that they are going to examine just now is the bit that allows private citizens to enforce it and is an attempt to keep the law out of the jurisdiction of the courts. It may also address the lack of protection for victims of rape and incest, and women who would die if forced to carry.

If the Supreme Court doesn't block that bit, expect laws controlling weapons ownership and forcing people to get vaccinated in quick order.
Why? I think I'm not seeing the bigger picture clearly.

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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:00 am

If some people who want to go round the court system so their laws can't come under judicial review can do that, then other people can also do that. So, no abortion? Fine. But no private gun ownership, and everybody gets vaccinated or gets sued for endangering others.

Sauce for the goose is also sauce for the gander, and there are a lot more ganders running around fouling other people's yards.

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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:01 am

Veronica wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:56 am
Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:34 am
If the Supreme Court doesn't block that bit, expect laws controlling weapons ownership and forcing people to get vaccinated in quick order.
Why? I think I'm not seeing the bigger picture clearly.
Broadly speaking, the Texas law has two parts. The first part is the egregious enough: It puts unreasonable, extreme restrictions on abortions. The key thing to know about this part of the law is that these restrictions are inherently illegal in the sense that the state of Texas (or any state) is already prohibited under federal law (as historically interpreted by the Supreme Court) to be unconstitutional. Again, for emphasis: The state can't enforce a law with these restrictions.

So some evil genius in Texas (but, seriously, a real genius!) said that if they can't enforce these restrictions, they could maybe find somebody else that could enforce them instead! For example, maybe ordinary citizens could enforce it! This has never been thought of before (except when deputizing ordinary citizens as agents of the state, as in a posse).

Texas, therefore, added a second part to the law: They said that any private citizen - any person anywhere, inside or outside of Texas - can personally sue any woman who breaks this law AND anyone who helps her get it in any fashion at all. (The usual list of examples: Any family member who helps. Anyone who helps pay. The Uber driver on the way to the clinic or home. Someone who holds the door for her at the clinic. And of course the medical staff and anyone else connected to the clinic.) If the person suing wins, then the Texas law guarantees them a minimum large award (payment).

It's ingenious: If the constitution says the state can't enforce a restriction, get someone who is not the state to enforce it instead. That (they are hoping the court will decide) is not illegal. The only analogy I can think of is posting a bounty on someone.

But here's the larger picture: Almost every law guaranteeing anybody's freedom is written to prevent the state from abridging that freedom. For example, the First Amendment doesn't guarantee free speech and freedom of religion: Rather, it says that the government can't pass any laws interfering with those things. But what if it is recognized as legal for the government to pass a law saying that it will get out of the way and not interfere if any private citizen wants to take away your right to free speech or your right to your religious beliefs? - If that happens, the entire Bill of Rights caves in.

Finally, there is a more practical impact: The creators of the Texas law ultimately don't care if their argument is good or not. They just want to get a test case to the U.S. Supreme Court. They believe that the strong conservative majority on the Supreme Court will now give them anything they want - will fulfill the conservative agenda. They think that if they get some "nobody thought of doing it this way" case on abortion in front of these particular justices, the justices will find their own rationale for throwing out abortion rights (or other topics). JSAD is correctly observing that if it works on this case, it will set a precedent that can be applied to other laws conservative state governments may want to pass.
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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:18 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
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if it works on this case, it will set a precedent that can be applied to other laws conservative state governments may want to pass.
Not just conservative states. Laws apply to all sides.

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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Veronica » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:54 am

ugh.
That's kinda what I was thinking I understood was really going on with all that.

sounds like Snitches dont get stitches but get paid...and Might makes right and a host of other ugly horrible horrors.

I wish that I was able to be better informed and educated about these issues, they seem so vitally important to our lives and the directions we can take. It's so hard to keep up with all the important news and not get distracted or lose focus or misinformed.

as for the genius of it all.......no, I dont see that, I see ugly fear and jealousy and revenge and vindictiveness all wrapped up in a puddle of purified pain and anger and torment trying to spread and kill everything that isnt ugly like itself. Not genius, but EVIL from what I sence.

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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:05 pm

Veronica wrote:
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as for the genius of it all.......no, I dont see that, I see ugly fear and jealousy and revenge and vindictiveness all wrapped up in a puddle of purified pain and anger and torment trying to spread and kill everything that isnt ugly like itself. Not genius, but EVIL from what I sence.
Genius can be (and is) evil as much as genius can be (and is) good.
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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Danica » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:07 pm

If I was in Texas now, I would seek to unite with other women who understand the situation, and seek as a group options for getting legal asylum from the oppressive conditions - in another state, or on federal level.

... it verily is horrible to see that while Canada is almost there with having implemented the UBI, we are dealing over and over again with this kind of things.
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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Veronica » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:46 pm

Danica wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:07 pm
If I was in Texas now, I would seek to unite with other women who understand the situation, and seek as a group options for getting legal asylum from the oppressive conditions - in another state, or on federal level.

... it verily is horrible to see that while Canada is almost there with having implemented the UBI, we are dealing over and over again with this kind of things.
That doesnt sit well with me, because it just seems to be the same thing women have always had to do, leave the environment. I completely believe that a person in crisis should move, but it just feels like after the crisis nothing is ever done to change the environment so the same crisis doesnt come back.
I dont know what I would do exactly if something like that happened in my State, but I know my Mars is enflamed just thinking about all those poor women in Texas who are in such a horrible spot.
I do know that if I was a Texan and needed an abortion I would make a parade out of it and proudly sit in jail and in court and in the hell of evil geniuses minds.
I had an abortion while I was married to an evil genius and he tries to use that as proof that I am the epitome of all darkest evilness. He thinks that I am ashamed and guilty and ugly and he has threatened to tell my family and friends and children. So, you know what I did, I told them myself and I cried and I shared how scared and confused and helpless and hopeless and sad I was, I screamed and shook and stomped for them to see and understand how it tore me up to make that choice, but I needed to take care of me, so that I could take care of my living breathing children.

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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Danica » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:56 pm

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That doesnt sit well with me, because it just seems to be the same thing women have always had to do, leave the environment. I completely believe that a person in crisis should move, but it just feels like after the crisis nothing is ever done to change the environment so the same crisis doesnt come back.
I dont know what I would do exactly if something like that happened in my State, but I know my Mars is enflamed just thinking about all those poor women in Texas who are in such a horrible spot.
I do know that if I was a Texan and needed an abortion I would make a parade out of it and proudly sit in jail and in court and in the hell of evil geniuses minds.
I had an abortion while I was married to an evil genius and he tries to use that as proof that I am the epitome of all darkest evilness. He thinks that I am ashamed and guilty and ugly and he has threatened to tell my family and friends and children. So, you know what I did, I told them myself and I cried and I shared how scared and confused and helpless and hopeless and sad I was, I screamed and shook and stomped for them to see and understand how it tore me up to make that choice, but I needed to take care of me, so that I could take care of my living breathing children.
I see your point, and agree; but the fact is: no, we haven't left; and this might be precisely what actually needs to be done. On each and every level it needs to.
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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:29 pm

One Bill Maher discussion I will probably live the rest of my life occurred during the Bush administration (meaning, when some issues I'll mention had a different legal standing than today). His humorous point had unwavering logic to it. The main points were:

1. Maybe liberals should stop defending Roe v. Wade and let it be overturned, removing Republican's strongest social leverage for winning votes.

2. This would mean that every state would get to make it's own laws on abortion. States like New York and California (and many more) would have liberal abortion laws. States like West Virginia (and many more) would have very restrictive abortion laws.

3. Regrettably, women in states like West Virginia would have to to travel to New York (or elsewhere) to get abortions. (Assistance could be provided to get them there.)

4. But before too long, women would simply wake up to the ongoing reality and leave West Virginia. They'd all move to states like New York.

5. Soon, there would be only men living in West Virginia.

6. This likely would serve as a great nationwide incentive to legalize gay marriage.
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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:03 pm

Veronica wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:54 am
I wish that I was able to be better informed and educated about these issues, they seem so vitally important to our lives and the directions we can take. It's so hard to keep up with all the important news and not get distracted or lose focus or misinformed.
That's part of the problem. People don't keep up with this stuff because it's both boring and horrific. As soon as everyone else is distracted, they run in to ram something into law.

This is Texas, where most people support abortion rights, and almost nobody supports the idea of forcing a woman to carry the result of rape or incest to term, or forcing women to die in childbirth. But this law has no carve out for any of that. It's not supported by the majority. It's entirely a test case, not for antiabortion, but whether or not politicians can force their will on the electorate. 4


BTW, the law does not punish the pregnant woman. I believe there's a federal law against that. But even an Uber driver who does not know the woman being transported is going to get an abortion can be sued for a minimum of $10,000.

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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:53 pm

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
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BTW, the law does not punish the pregnant woman. I believe there's a federal law against that. But even an Uber driver who does not know the woman being transported is going to get an abortion can be sued for a minimum of $10,000.
I haven't read it since a few weeks before it passed, but I think it does indeed punish the pregnant woman. She AND anyone who helps her. The federal is the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution - not a separate law - and that only prevents the state from punishing her. In this case, the state isn't doing anything to her except getting out of the way of someone else - a private citizen - going after her.
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Re: The Biden Report

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:49 am

The overall forecast for Biden's current SLR has been correct. However, when he went to the Vatican and Pope Francis indicated he should still receive communion, I thought he must have Jupiter angular in his SLR for that location.

Recalculate Biden's October 21 SLR for Vatican City and you find... Jupiter on Descendant (1°47') square his Mercury (0°18') and Uranus on MC (2°33') opposite his Mars (0°18'). Jupiter squares Uranus 0°46' in mundo.

In fact, it looks a lot like my current SSR :)

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
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Ju 27Cp18'07" 01S08 + 0°01' 325°05' 15S09 251°06' - 1°44' 178°10'  99% F
Ur 18Ar21'10" 00S25 - 0°02'  41°04' 15N27 185°17' +63°29' 267°22'  98% F
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Me 27Li35'47" 00N22 + 1°36' 230°20' 18S04 344°14' -65°29'  97°04'  96% F
Ma 18Li39'02" 00N19 + 0°41' 221°20' 15S39   4°45' -63°41'  87°39'  98% F
Pl 13Cn17'11" 05N00 - 0°00' 132°09' 23N00  73°18' +16°06' 343°14'  94% F
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tJu sq tUr 00°48'  99% M          None                              None
tJu sq rMe 00°18' 100%                                                  
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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Danica » Sat Nov 06, 2021 9:53 pm

So far, so good - from all I can see, it seems we went through those most harsh three weeks in the best possible way.
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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Nov 06, 2021 9:55 pm

If that's true then it means astrology (or the astrologer) failed. When bad charts appear, we need to rot for terrible things to happen.
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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Danica » Sat Nov 06, 2021 9:58 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sat Nov 06, 2021 9:55 pm
If that's true then it means astrology (or the astrologer) failed. When bad charts appear, we need to rot for terrible things to happen.
Maybe there transpired things we don’t know about yet, and will only learn of in retrospect!
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Re: US forecast Oct 13 - Nov 9, 2021

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:00 pm

Yeah, I'm certain things happen all the time that we don't know about :)
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