Moon in Leo sign project

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Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:34 am

Welcome to the Moon in Leo discussions project, which will run August 17 - September 16, 2018 (and then will remain around in case people want to revisit it in the future). Please gather your list of Moon in Leo people (especially those you know personally) and join us.

Here are Moon in Leo interpretive resources on the forum:
Primary section: http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34#p146
Cyril Fagan: http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f ... p=636#p657
Garth Allen: http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=33#p134
Manilius: http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=121#p742

My current concise summary of Moon in Leo (always subject to change) reads:
Emotions intertwined with pride. Strong, noble, proud, natural leader, courageous, confident, practical, effective, indomitable. Dramatic; seldom pretentious. Gregarious (court of friends & admirers). Entertainer. Discriminating in romance. Needs warm, affectionate interaction; may retain aloof mask. Business over sentiment.
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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Veronica » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:54 am

two people who I have found.
one I admire greatly
one I don't

Angela Bassett, Born August 16, 1958 NYNY no time
James Saville, Born oct. 31, 1926, Leeds Uk no time.

two souls who are both "tv/movie" personalities, both very athletic (Angela just posted a very nice pic. of herself in a bikini at age 60!) and both with a passion for entertaining.

it would appear to me that Angela is very similar to the "nice" version where as Saville went down a much darker path with his passions.

edit: my personal feelings make it difficult for me to honestly reflect sometimes, and I understand that while I may think I know better ways for things to be done, I trust that there are higher forces at work, in each and every soul and every soul in contact with other souls and it is not right for me to let my head be ruled by ego that as always needs to be kept in check with the bigger truths of life.
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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:45 am

Thanks. Could you be more specific on exactly what traits you see each of them having?

The goal of these monthly projects is to collate people's observations of explicit behaviors of these luminary positions as a contribution to eventually (hopefully more sooner than later :) ) revising the 'stock' interpretations I've written over the years - and, more immediately, to increase our understanding.

So... what specific traits do you see in each of these people that led to your assessment above?
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Angela Bassett

Post by Veronica » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:18 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Bassett
Emotions intertwined with pride. Strong, noble, proud, natural leader, courageous, confident, practical, effective, indomitable. Dramatic; seldom pretentious. Gregarious (court of friends & admirers). Entertainer. Discriminating in romance. Needs warm, affectionate interaction; may retain aloof mask. Business over sentiment.
Angela ---her work in film primarily focuses on roles of strong black females in a biographical setting. She received her Masters degree in fine Arts from the Ivy League Yale University. In 2018 she received an honorary Doctorial Degree from Yale. She grew up in Harlem, NY but had a challenging childhood filled with separation from her family and home and later her father.
In her chart:
Her Leo Moon is conjunct mercury which would give a strong leaning towards a desire to communicate what she experienced as the emotional rollercoaster challenges of her own life mirrored in what she had learned about other women who were important historical figures in their own right, but had been dismissed by most of society as insignificant emotional woman. She desired to put the spot light on them (the women she portrayed) and show the world what strong, noble, courageous women they were and choose dramatic roles that would allow her the best opportunity to use her own natural traits to give to a new generation of woman roles models who they could easily identify with. Her moon/mercury is strengthened by a mars in trine and Neptune in sextile which would give her dramatic acting a nice boost of creative insight and vital force to bring her roles to life and which I feel is why she is so admired by many women and achieved the recognition (awards) for her roles in the theater and as well her humanitarian efforts to help children and support the fine arts of theater.
Her moon is also widely conjunct Pluto, which would indicate that she has a freedom in her soul to have been able to ride out the tough storms of her early life and keep her chin up and to keep working, not quitting and not underselling herself.

I feel that her Leo moon and its aspects is the factor that not only ennobled her to become the superstar that she is and role model, but that it also gave her the strength as a “disadvantaged” black woman from Harlem and a broken/dysfunctional home to take the risks that she took to enroll and succeed in an Ivy league school. She fearlessly has maintained her own personal integrity and demonstrates beautifully how you cant keep a good woman down.

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James Saville

Post by Veronica » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:55 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile
Emotions intertwined with pride. Strong, noble, proud, natural leader, courageous, confident, practical, effective, indomitable. Dramatic; seldom pretentious. Gregarious (court of friends & admirers). Entertainer. Discriminating in romance. Needs warm, affectionate interaction; may retain aloof mask. Business over sentiment.
Savile-
His moon is being aspected by quite a lot so it is hard for me to discern, and harder for me to push past my own knee jerk reactions to this, knowing his story. But I would think that if I was to see this chart and not know who this person was and all that, I would suspect that the Leo moon in a man aspected like this would bring about may hidden personality traits (aloof mask), and that it would definitively make think this person is *very* discriminating in romantic relationships (sun/venus widely conjunct sextile the moon).

I do think that it was also his moon aspects that gave rise to his celebrity status, and enabled him to overcome his early childhood struggles and work hard to achieve his personal level of fitness (ie sports, wrestling) success in the entertainment world, and philanthropy. With a leo moon one would be inclined to be a very giving person because of a personal need for warmth and affection, but it is possible that his life challenges played out in his aspects give him a freedom (ego/pride) to express his inner needs in ways that are not considered socially acceptable.

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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:15 pm

I think it's easy to know somebody's sun placement. Not so much for Moon sign. I have to go look at what I have.

I also am trying to stick to people I know well. Famous people, unless you know them personally (like went through school with them) I don't think that's what you're looking for here.

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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:25 pm

Agreed. People are more likely to know Sun placement off the top of their head and not Moon. (And yes, personal knowledge of people makes for better, though when I get into these I like to take projects of categories of famous people to compare, such as authors with the placement.)

In case it's clear, I'm also backing off until other people have their say unless there is something specific with which to interact. I've had my first say - what I would post would be the same observations that are already on the sign sections of the site (which are only there because of my observations of people).
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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:59 pm

I have three people with Moon in Leo in my charts, one is Danica, and one is a friend's ex, whom I have met exactly once, and one I've never met. So I have nothing useful to contribute. Maybe somebody else has something to offer, or maybe Moon in Leos are just thin on the ground.

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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:05 pm

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:59 pm
I have three people with Moon in Leo in my charts, one is Danica, and one is a friend's ex, whom I have met exactly once, and one I've never met. So I have nothing useful to contribute. Maybe somebody else has something to offer, or maybe Moon in Leos are just thin on the ground.
I actually know more of them personally than any other Moon-sign. Three (including Danica, of course) Aries-Leos come immediately to mind. I've dated more Leo Moon women than any other sign (and have lived with one for a decade now) and have oodles of other contacts with it. My Aquarius Moon bias? I'm surprised there aren't more that have swarmed around your Leo Sun :)
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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:13 pm

Well, remember I generally run. And anything that swarms get sprayed. I spent half of yesterday with friends who are on to me. They wouldn't let me drive myself and meet them there because I would have left after an hour. As it was, I ended up sitting under a table at the restaurant (I wasn't drinking.) (Yes, I like cheesecake. No I don't like the Cheesecake Factory.)

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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:12 am

Some feedback is that several people here don't know Leo Moons personally. While personally known Leo Moons are preferable for more intimate observation, public or historic figures can be a basis for this if you don't know any examples personally.

Here are some historic/public Leo Moons from lists I already have at hand.

On Solunars: Danica, ScarletDepths, Marion

Politics/Leadership: Pres. Wm. Henry Harrison, Pres. Franklin Pierce, Pres. Wm. H. Taft, Pres. John F. Kennedy, Pres. Lyndon B. Johnson, Sen. Edward Kennedy, Sen. Thomas Eagleton, Sen. Carol Mosely Braun, Winston Churchill, Benjamin Disraeli, Margaret Thatcher, Oliver Cromwell, Willie Brandt, Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes, Sec. Rick Perry, Justice Samuel Alito, William Penn, Mayor George Moscone

Royalty: Dalai Lama, Emperor Hirohito, King Fuad II of Egypt, Queen Mary I of England, King Louis XV of France, Princess Anne, Viscount Linley David, Queen Maud of Norway, Rose Lady Windsor

Celebrity: Gina Lolabrigida, Candice Bergen, Courteney Cox, Jodie Foster, Michelle Pfeiffer, Patty Duke, Sara Gilbert, Laurence Olivier, Tyrone Power, Dustin Hoffman, Robert Redford, Harry Dean Stanton, John Travolta, Matthew McConaughey, Henry Winkler, William Dafoe, Jay Leno, Andy Kaufman, Richard Branson, John Jacob Astor VI, Lance Armstrong, Bobby Riggs, Cheiro, Nadya Suleman, Bruno Hauptman, Lyndie England, Angelo Buono

Music: Richard Strauss, Robert Schumann, Henry Mancini, Brian Wilson, Andy Gibb, Dolly Parton, Madonna, k. d. lang, Martha Raye,

Literature: Marquis de Sade, Anne Frank, Jack Kerouac, Gertrude Stein, Paul Verlaine, William Wordsworth, Arthur Schopenhauer, Immanuel Kant, Robert Graves, Frederick Engels, Alan Watts, L. Ron Hubbard

Popes: Pius X, Pius VIII, Innocent XIII, Innocent XII, Urban VII, Pius II, Nicholas V
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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by FlorencedeZ. » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:40 pm

I have two collegues with the Moon in Leo. They both have a lot of strength and are dominating personalities. When they speak and announce something everybody is quiet, they have a natural greatness and occasionally display bombastic gestures and put up a show. Otherwise they are quiet and gentle, going their own way.

My former neighbor. She is a big lady physically, outspoken and a bit intrusive. Has a royal demeanor. Although with a Sagittarius Sun this is hard to say whether this comes from her Sun or Moon sign. She is an open book on Facebook.

My uncle. Charmingly arrogant. Literate and opiniated. Likeable person but you are always left with the feeling that you are never equal. Dominates a conversation.

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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:44 pm

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My former neighbor. She is a big lady physically...
These are all great anecdotes, but the line above reminded me of something.

Historically, Leo has a reputation for being large, though more statuesque than rotund. For example, Leo Moons are extemely common among professional basketball players. But there is another type that is tiny. I know several, especially women, who are physically tiny (short, usually slight) but have the large-sized personality you've otherwise described.

With a tip of the hat to Leonard Wibberley, I call them "the mouse that roared."
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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by FlorencedeZ. » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:53 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:44 pm
With a tip of the hat to Leonard Wibberley, I call them "the mouse that roared."
haha, marvellous description. One of the collegues I described is like that, exactly so. Short, with the large-sized personality.

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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Benji » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:33 am

I have a daughter who was born with her Moon in Leo (DOB: January the 6th 1999 Houston Texas at 8:00 am) She is a lot of fun! Currently, she is working as a nursing assistant and going to Collage to become a Certified Public Accountant. She carries a 3.8-grade point average.
Last week she broke off a three-year relationship with her boyfriend (here second boyfriend in her lifetime). He was working on becoming a lawyer at Texas A.M, she told me that she didn’t like what it was doing to his personality.
My only criticism of her is that she thinks that money is everything, she wants to eventually become a financial analyist because she can’t stand the thought of being poor.
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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:47 am

Sounds like a great kid but, LOL - that last point shows loud and clear. She's a Sagittarius-Leo but she was born vulnerable to insecurity. If the 8 AM birth time is exactly right, she has Saturn square Ascendant and Neptune in Capricorn rising. (Even if the birth time is a bit off, she has Moon almost exactly sesqui-square Saturn.)

As a parent, it more or less wouldn't matter what you did, she was going to grow up vulnerable to a deep sense of insecurity. The fact that it only shows in material ways - that she seems like a wonderful, healthy kid otherwise - does you credit.
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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Benji » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:49 am

Yes, the 8:00 am birth time is correct. I don't want to turn this into a Saturn-Moon aspect discussion. So, I just want to note, that she doesn't drink or smoke and is leaning towards being a vegetarian.

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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by James Condor » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:15 am

My Ex of 2 years (on and off) is an Aries-Leo. My ex before her is a Scorpio-Leo. I was stalked in high school by a Scorpio-Leo and was good friends in high school with a male Scorpio-Leo. All shorter than average but not like little people.
Sorta tom boyish.(Unless its from the Martians) Girls can hang with dudes and compete, have fun, fit in. Their laugh and smile are great, big. Romantically see themselves as catches. Toot their own horn.
Leo moons are easy for me to get along with (for the most part) in that they bring out in me a more steady, grounded outlook, are simple, stable, and trustworthy in a way in that they don't B.S, aren't petty. They aren't too annoying, or loud or confusing. They are decent. Not foul, rude or offensive. They can be fun in a simple way. I see in them this deep courage of being themselves no matter what, and this warm acceptance of simple things.
But, they do want their way and have a way of getting it. They can have intense focus in wanting their message across for clear understanding and/or to show who's boss. Definitely leaders.
They pick up on my ways pretty fairly and aren't judgmental but rather assertive and natural to give me simple observations. Dominating for sure in a way. Hubs are good observers of truth. They make requests, give hints in a fair yet selfish way. Like to say "I hope"..
They get allot of attention. Like to sing their favorite songs while head bobbing, little dances. Warm, gentle, cute, glowing, playful, beautiful in a bedroom, femininity, after orgasm.

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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Soft Alpaca » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:37 pm

I was just reading through this after reading the brief summary versus Jims hashed out notes of the sign. I hope that in the summary something about mental sharpness and the aim to be perfect like a sharp straight blade are added to the general statement.

Im also curious as to why so many Leo (Sun/Moon/Mars) are astute and sharp minded.

Having pluto here (and maybe being in the eighth house) i don't always agree with the whole proud thing however (maybe there is a better word).

And perhaps im just utterly confused as an introverted fire sign heavy person.

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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Soft Alpaca » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:25 am

I was mulling over this again but I think there is some difference between the way a Moon and the Sun act in the sign of the sickle. I think I want to say the radiance in the Moon folk I meet is more alluring than the often more bold charisma I see in Leo Sun's and I think different people interpret this as other things (playfulness, aloofness, warmth). I'm not honestly always warm in fact the real me is literally apathetic because I just don't actually care about most things and people, but people still find me warm and personal. People tend to think I'm flirting or say I'm being cold or warm in a certain situation when the whole time I'm just doing my thing and when people use the kinds of words to describe me... I'm just lost they are making it up. Again though I'm saying too I'm actually an introvert but people wouldn't think it.

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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:11 pm

I have completed my substantial rewrite of Moon in Leo and, as always, thank all of you for your participation in this project. The full treatment can be found here:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34#p146

Summarizing Moon in Leo as STRONG, STATELY, ENTERTAINING, my concise summary is tweaked just a little and now reads:
Emotions intertwined with pride. Strong, stately, courageous. Instinctive leader or mentor. Confident, pragmatic, hard to intimidate. Dramatic but seldom pretentious. Entertaining, gregarious, delights in things. Genuinely warm but with a cool demeanor. Loyal, generous friend. Lusty, forthright, and pragmatic in love and sex.
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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Soft Alpaca » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:30 am

I like this though I think the word(s) (mentally) astute could be missing.

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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:02 am

Soft Alpaca wrote:
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I like this though I think the word(s) (mentally) astute could be missing.
I went back and forth over that. While it was true in a striking way of a small majority of Leo Moons I know, it didn't quite make the 70% cut-off point I use for assessing traits; and, where I could almost shoe-horn it in, it seemed to miss the main point.

I do think that most Leo Moon's tend to be, or at least seem, quite mentally sharp. However, what's more solidly true is that they (perhaps unconsciously) convey an air of confidence, certainty, and authority. I don't mean at all that they are frauds - just that their most common default state is an air of certainty and authority. People tend to gravitate around certainty, tend to confuse it with accuracy, and tend to mistake it for intelligence.
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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Soft Alpaca » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:11 am

Jim I do notice this more in the type of Leos who are like me (I'm 5'9 weigh 160ish) I'm slender compared to many of my friends they call me lanky, more so than the intimidating type (not that I'm not intimating- people tell me often they are afraid i'd haunt them if they crossed me- not sure why) I tend to find this smaller mousey type to be more so astute than the brawny brash lion type. Also I would tend to see athletics vs artistry in the lion vs mouse. I think I rambled about this a very long time ago so something about cubs (the mouse that roars) vs lions.. when I'm confronted I often just stay calm and do nothing mind you, I think my own "confidence" is actually me being patient because I have anger issues and Im a silent angry type.

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Re: Moon in Leo sign project

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:56 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:02 am
However, what's more solidly true is that they (perhaps unconsciously) convey an air of confidence, certainty, and authority. I don't mean at all that they are frauds - just that their most common default state is an air of certainty and authority. People tend to gravitate around certainty, tend to confuse it with accuracy, and tend to mistake it for intelligence.
You know those old "there are two kinds of people" memes from the 60's?
One I like is there are neurotic people who, when they differ with most of the world believe they are wrong, and psychotic people who think the world is wrong.
For example, about 18 months after buying this house, the developer sent letters to all homeowners on this street that we had to move our fences because they were encroaching on the lots whose backyards backed up to ours.
Most people set about getting their fences moved. I didn't. I called the surveyor who did the original plat and said what? The surveyor came out and discovered the street behind us had had it's stakes moved so was twice as wide as it should have been, and the developer was trying to take our land we already paid for so he could sell those properties with the full 58' yard he was advertising.
For another, more than 50 years ago now, some people had all dropped some acid, and after awhile, all were saying the room was crooked. The Leo walked over to a floor lamp, picked it up, and kicked the rug under out flat. "WOW you fixed the room!"
Some people look for direction from outside themselves, and some, including, I think, Leos, look within themselves.

In other words, "I'm always right. It's a curse."

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