No Transiting Planets Angular in SSR

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No Transiting Planets Angular in SSR

Post by Lance » Wed May 13, 2020 2:05 pm

In the case of a current SSR in which there are no angular transiting planets, I have several questions:

1. Am I remembering correctly that the angular transiting planets from the previous SSR are said to remain in effect for the current SSR?

2. If this is correct, do I use anything at all from the current SSR? Angular Natal Planets? Moon aspects? Or do I completely refer to the previous SSR for all factors?

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Re: No Transiting Planets Angular in SSR

Post by SteveS » Wed May 13, 2020 2:49 pm

Lance, where were you located when your 2019 SSR occurred?

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Re: No Transiting Planets Angular in SSR

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed May 13, 2020 4:37 pm

Lance wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 2:05 pm
1. Am I remembering correctly that the angular transiting planets from the previous SSR are said to remain in effect for the current SSR?
That's for mundane ingresses. I can't find a specific reference but I think either its not true of SSRs (for people) or the jury is still out. If it were true, I think the Sun, Moon and close aspects would still be effective.

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Re: No Transiting Planets Angular in SSR

Post by Lance » Wed May 13, 2020 6:17 pm

JSAD: Hmm.

Steve: It’s for this person’s chart.

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The 2019 SSR versus 2020 SSR

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Re: No Transiting Planets Angular in SSR

Post by Danica » Wed May 13, 2020 10:19 pm

I would consider tr Ju as angular in this chart (sq MC 2*42'), and to a certain degree Pl too, being so closely interlocked with tr Ju.
His natal planets ang., in order of orb, are:
r Sa on DC 4*26'
r Pl on MC 7*21'
r Ur on MC 7*43'

If there're no tr nor rx planets angular, first thing to do is look at the Moon - its dynamic aspects (with tr planets) are so strong that you can't miss it regardless of what's angular, and the Luna's aspect become the focal point in cases when no angularity.

His SSR Moon is conj t Ve; applying, 3*17' - we may expect an event of Venus nature (as Ve-coming-from-his-environment/outside, i.e. tr Ve, not nat.) to take place during the fourth month of the solar year.

In case there are no Moon aspects and no angularity, tr or rx, I'd look at the:
- exact tr to rx
- what the SSR chart as a whole has to say, what's the key-theme of this chart on ts own; I'd consider this a general picture for the tone of the year, with the exact outer tr to rx being the focal themes. (Also, would look into what sec. prog. and Sol. Arc have to say for the time, with more attention to it than would be otherwise given if the SSR has to say more)
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Re: No Transiting Planets Angular in SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 14, 2020 7:29 am

Lance wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 2:05 pm
1. Am I remembering correctly that the angular transiting planets from the previous SSR are said to remain in effect for the current SSR?
No, it's gone. (Even in the case of solar ingresses, each only has a one-year lifespan.)
2. If this is correct, do I use anything at all from the current SSR? Angular Natal Planets? Moon aspects? Or do I completely refer to the previous SSR for all factors?
You still have Moon aspects, the natal planets that are foreground, and all partile aspects (within the SSR, and of the SSR to the natal - both ecliptical and mundane).
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Re: No Transiting Planets Angular in SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 14, 2020 7:40 am

As for this exact example, I agree with Danica: There's stuff happening here! - I disagree with her on particulars: I don't consider Jupiter angular at all. It's 17° below the horizon, more than 2° from the square to MC which I take as a sharp cut-off, farther than that from Eastpoint.

But, as she said, Moon conjoins Venus (and the aspect will progress to exact), and it squares natal Venus even closer (1°04'). Danica gave you the distances of natal planets from angles so I don't have to calculate those, with natal Saturn closest and natal Uranus and Pluto 7° on opposite sides of MC - so that Uranus/Pluto midpoint is on MC within a few minutes.

Furthermore, partile aspects are always gong to have a voice, even as "background" or "backdrop" conditions. In this chart, transiting Jupiter and Pluto are conjunct 0°52' and - much stronger! - transiting Uranus-Pluto are square within 0°03 in mundo. (That's two very strong Uranus-Pluto expressions.) Transiting Mercury squares natal Mercury (0°05') and squares natal Neptune (0°33'). - I haven't checked for mundane partile transits.
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Re: No Transiting Planets Angular in SSR

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu May 14, 2020 10:22 am

I found this: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1784&p=11526 where Jim explains his ideas on "dormant" charts for people after Steve used the term in discussing someone's SSR.

That's all I can find on it. NOt that there isn't more, just not that I can find.

Jim, do you have time to address Lance's first question on dormancy in non-mundane-ingress charts?

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Re: No Transiting Planets Angular in SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 14, 2020 10:51 am

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 10:22 am
Jim, do you have time to address Lance's first question on dormancy in non-mundane-ingress charts?
Sorry, thought I had.

No such thing. And, in any case, dormancy in ingresses only allows flow-through within the lifespan of the particular chart. For example, all solar ingresses have a one-year life, so if a Libsolar is dormant, the prior Cansolar will flow through as the "acting" quarter chart because we'restill within 12 months of when the Cansolar occurred. But if all four solar ingresses are dormant, you don't flow back to one from before them.

With a solar return, even if dormancy and flow-through operated in personal charts (they don't), it wouldn't matter because the prior solar return times out after 12 months.
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Re: No Transiting Planets Angular in SSR

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu May 14, 2020 12:18 pm

Thanks. bookmarked.

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