Transits to Novien

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Transits to Novien

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:47 pm

I've watched transits to my Novien Moon for years to assess whether they are important. The first discovery was that transits to Navamsa do NOT work. The Novien had no such counter indications but it took longer to confirm something affirmative about the Novien Moon.

Several examples - including one important Saturn transit - strongly suggest that transits to Novien Moon are effective. However, they don't seem strong (certainly not as strong as to natal, progressed, or SSR Moon). They MAY be more important simply for confirming the Novien's legitimacy (and thus certain details about the structure of the zodiac), rather than for their own sake.

Having confirmed that, I've also started watching transits to Novien Sun.

I'm starting this thread as a place for people to record observations and thoughts about transits to the Novien.
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Mars to Novien Sun

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:55 pm

Today is a good example of how these "not as strong" transits fit in.

I'm on a good run of daily transits including, today, transiting Venus opposite natal Moon and transiting Sun conjunct PSSR Moon. The day has been good - I'm on quite a roll, in fact. But today is also quite arduous, we have overlapping projects coming to a head that have me at work three consecutive days nearly around the clock. For example, I've been here since 6 am (clock went off at 4:30) and have an overnight project of overseeing electrical modifications of our data center (that have required my juggling a dozen separate parties and interests to schedule and make happen). I'll be here until at least 6 am, probably more like mid-morning, working on this. Concurrently, we have a trial team starting a one-month trial Monday with various support vendors with the team convening and doing their last hours of preparation more or less around the clock.

Yesterday wasn't that hard, but I was physically and mentally fried. Today I got in at 6 am and have been burnt by noon. (Food refreshed me.) I got a 3-hour nap late afternoon and back at it. I can only guess how fried I'll be by tomorrow morning.

This is all happening, remember, under excellent daily transits. But the one transit I didn't mention is transiting Mars opposite Novien Sun about 12:30 AM (not quite 24 hours ago). It's typical for Mars to Sun to have "burning the candle at both ends" effects.

I have to consider that the transit to Novien Sun is probably effective.
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Re: Transits to Novien

Post by Danica » Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:20 am

My experience confirms that transits to Novien Moon do work.
Also, transits to the SL are valuable of being watched.
(You had tr Mars sq SL Asc-Dsc axis during the previous two days, for example).
[...] and thus certain details about the structure of the zodiac
When you have time and if you're willing, I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on this.
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Re: Transits to Novien

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:24 am

If nothing else, that there is a nine-based structural element and that there is an authentic starting point at 0° Taurus (or, at least, 0° Earth), not just "a circle begins and ends anyplace and everyplace" as is commonly asserted. These, in turn, imply other things (e.g., the architecture on which aspect structures are based) that are discussed in various places around the site.
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Re: Transits to Novien

Post by Patrick Machado » Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:01 am

These interest me, especially in regard to further validating the Novien as an objective structure. I've thought about watching transits to my Novien Moon, and this thread has nudged me to begin doing so.

My Novien Sun is 4' from my natal Saturn, so I don't need to keep track of transits to it separately, but that also means it's not good for testing. Offhand, it doesn't seem to me that transits to my Saturn have been behaving outside of expectations, except, maybe... Venus transits to it lean more positive than the standard interpretation. Maybe. Today is an opportunity for observing it. In a few days I'll have a slow Mercury transit to it, which could be interesting.

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Re: Transits to Novien

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:22 pm

There's other Mars "going around." I just got reminded that my SSR had Sun 0°48' past a conjunction to Mars. By the PSSR rate, Mars progresses to the exact conjunction with natal Sun before the week is out. (It's 0°01' shy right now.) Mars was moving a very average 0°38'/day in the SSR, or 0°47' in a PSSR year.

That's the issue we always have to deal with in testing techniques: So many viable techniques work at the same time, weaving through each other and intersecting. Given a sufficiently large block of data, you can ignore this and figure it will average out, the noise falling away; but on a case by case basis, you don't have that option.
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Re: Transits to Novien

Post by Venus_Daily » Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:27 pm

Jim, this means Novein moon maybe sensitive to SLRs, right?

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Re: Transits to Novien

Post by Danica » Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:35 am

Venus_Daily wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:27 pm
this means Novein moon maybe sensitive to SLRs, right?
If by this you mean the chart (with its angularity) for the transit of the Moon in space over its position in the Novien, I looked into this a few months ago, and these charts do not show as practically operative.
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Re: Transits to Novien

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:41 am

Agreed: It crossed my mind again yesterday, since Moon is in Libra now; but, having looked, I don't think there is anything to them.

I also looked at the lunar equivalent of the Ennead - which amounts to the Novien of transiting Moon conjunct the Novien of natal Moon but, in practice, means, transiting Moon at 40° intervals from the natal. The dozen or so of these I looked at were (at best) not worth the time it took to calculate them.
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