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Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

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Here follow horoscopes of leading (first generation) Sidereal astrology pioneers.
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Cyril Fagan

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Donald Bradley (Garth Allen)

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(I need to redo this for 2:40, his actual birth time rather than the published one.)
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Rupert Gleadow

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Brig. Roy C. Firebrace

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James Hynes

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Neil L. Block (Gary Duncan)

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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 11, 2017 11:55 pm

Wayne Turner wrote:Thanks Jim for posting these charts together. I notice that James Hynes has a close ME/UR conjunction, with Saturn rising--quite appropriate for someone who calculated many sidereal position tables. I've seen close "hard" aspects between Mercury and Uranus in the charts of others who have worked with databases and tables of calculations, myself being one of them. I have ME 90 UR from the twelfth to the ninth house. Zip Dobyns compiled many pages of data for Neil Block when he was first doing his research with the charts of Members of Congress, and she also published ephemerides of the "big four" asteroids. She has ME 180 UR (and two sons who are computer programmers as well). Another interesting case is the 17th century mathematician and astrologer Vincent Wing. He was apparently the first English astrologer to describe heliocentric positions in his ephemerides of 1659 - 1671. He has a close square aspect between ME/UR (28') and a close binovile (25') from his Sun to Uranus as well. I find the novile (nonile) aspects to be very powerful.
Vincent Wing data from John Partridge, Defectio Geniturarum, 1697, courtesy J Lee Lehman in NCGR Heliogram, May 1989, p. 30: 19 April 1619 NS (Gregorian; 9 April OS), 5:48 pm LAT, ~5:47 pm LMT, north of London, 52n40, 00w10. (Uranus should be close to the MC in the ninth.)

An interesting review of the accuracy of early almanacs and ephemerides:
http://books.google.com/books?id=e9xiGi ... t#PPT14,M1

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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 11, 2017 11:55 pm

Wayne Turner wrote:Vincent Wing data from John Partridge, Defectio Geniturarum, 1697, courtesy J Lee Lehman in NCGR Heliogram, May 1989, p. 30: 19 April 1619 NS (Gregorian; 9 April OS), 5:48 pm LAT, ~5:47 pm LMT, north of London, 52n40, 00w10. (Uranus should be close to the MC in the ninth.)
For those coordinates on that date, 5:48 pm LAT was 5:46:56 pm LMT. This gives:

Uranus 0 Can 12
Midheaven 2 Can 56
Mercury 29 Pis 44
Descendant 27 Pis 19
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 11, 2017 11:56 pm

Danica wrote:a note on Fagan's birthday:
this year's transiting Uranus touching strongly his natal Moon-Mars-Sun configuration (within 1°orb) may indicate some interesting and original revival of his life-work...

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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 11, 2017 11:57 pm

SteveS wrote:Jim, I am doing a little research with Cyril Fagan. I think Fagan lived in Tucson Arizona--do you happen to know when he moved to Tucson? I know he lived in many different locations but seemed to have settled down in Arizona.
It was sometime in the '60s. It's documented in American Astrology about the time it happened. He moved there specifically because that's where the magazine was located.
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri May 12, 2017 12:06 am

Astrological patterns in the horoscopes of the above six Sidereal pioneers, to whom I have added Carl Stahl (March 13, 1914, 7:44 PM CST, Kilmanagh, MI).

SUN-SIGN
Taurus Taurus Cancer Leo Libra Capricorn Aquarius

MOON-SIGN
Virgo Virgo Sagittarius Capricorn Aquarius Aries Aries

FOREGROUND/ANGULAR
Sun - Fagan
Moon - Bradley Firebrace Hynes Stahl
Mercury - Duncan
Venus - Firebrace
Mars - Gleadow Firebrace
Saturn - Hynes
Uranus - Bradley
Neptune - Hynes Duncan Stahl
Pluto - Fagan

ASPECTS
Mo-Su - Fagan
Mo-Me - Duncan
Mo-Ma - Fagan Gleadow Firebrace
Mo-Ju - Fagan Hynes
Mo-Sa - Bradley
Mo-Pl - Bradley Gleadow
Su-Ma - Fagan
Su-Ju - Fagan Bradley
Su-Sa - Firebrace
Su-Ur - Bradley
Su-Ne - Stahl
Me-MA - Hynes
Me-Sa - Gleadow
Me-Ur - Firebrace Hynes
Me-Ne - Firebrace
Ve-Ma - Duncan
Ve-Ju - Duncan
Ve-Sa - Gleadow
Ve-Ur - Fagan
Ve-Pl - Stahl
Ma-Ju - Duncan
Ma-Sa - Gleadow
Ma-Ur - Hynes
Ma-Ne - Bradley Firebrace
Ma-Pl - Firebrace
Ju-Sa = Stahl
Ju-Ur - Bradley Stahl
Ju-Ne - Gleadow
Sa-Ur - Bradley Duncan Stahl
Sa-Pl - Bradley Duncan
Ur-Ne - Gleadow Firebrace Duncan
Ur-Pl - Duncan
Ne-Pl - Firebrace
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by Arena » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:06 am

Are we to trust the birth times of exact minute, 12pm and 5pm? Or are those guesses?

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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:23 am

google astrodatabank with the name of the person. It gives a list of all the famous astrologers who rectified these birthtimes to heck and back and what they came up with. I think Fagan's mother said 11:45 AM because his father came in to see her after the baby was born still wearing his top hat (he was a physician in Dublin) just as the bells were chiming noon - there would have been some cleaning up before he was let in.

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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by UncleAries » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:23 am

yes, i do feel some of these birth times are off, check every astrologer's chart in astrodatabank for alternative times, and if you want, check my thread on fixed stars in mundo for sidereal astrologers natals, fixed stars further solidify specific birth times....they can help us with rectification, if proven valid with PV mundoscope of course...

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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by Victor » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:16 pm

Thanks
Regarding Donald Bradley's sidereal chart; does Moon and Uranus in 1st house make an astrologer?
His Uranus is in Pisces -- would that be about higher consciousness? (Uranus)
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by staragewiz » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:02 pm

B.F. Firebrace Birth Data correction.

Jim, you gave 5 pm LMT ..

according to astro.com it's 4:45 pm LMT or 9 pm UT, Rodden -A- ,

16Aug1889, Halifax, Canada.

Corrected time brings a clear Moon paran-sq Venus aspect into focus.
Of course, Solunars & Progressions are affected as well.



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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:17 pm

This is the time Roy himself gave me.
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by staragewiz » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:02 am

also got this time from SPICA: SPICA 1/1973, p.39, given as 9:00:19 PM GMT.

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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:12 am

And I just found (on review) one of his letters that gives 9:03. Obviously he was playing with his time. I should probably use the 9:03 UT for what's displayed.
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by staragewiz » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:28 pm

Jim,

In SPICA Vol ll #3
April 1963

Firebrace wrote an article on whether the N.Q. should be drawn for Birth Place or Residence.
At that time (did he change his mind?) he felt that Solar & Lunar Returns should be drawn for Residence.
But, that NQ's showed statistically better for BP than Locality.

And Firebrace was using the 9:01 pm GMT birth time.

In the SPICA article he gave examples of his marriage and WWl honors.
Calculating these charts in SF v.9 turns out he progressed these charts using Q1 (BIJA)
which would appear to be more telling than by Q2; I know most Siderelists have disregarded the Q1 in favor of the Q2. However, I find plenty of in working with solar and lunar returns and their progressions.

Do you recommend the Q1 or Q2?

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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:36 pm

Q2. In one set of data after another, it shows better (closer and more appropriate angularities and Moon aspects) at least 2 times out of 3, sometimes 3 out of 4. I might be forced to admit that the Q1 has independent (though markedly lesser) significance, though logically that seems preposterous. And, despite Roy's study, both logic and experience align in saying they need to be done for locale.
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by staragewiz » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:49 am

So, do you consider Solunar Returns and their progressions give good enough results
that the Q2 can be disregarded accept in special cases where more info is needed?

Experience fortify s Logic.

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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:39 am

Quite the opposite. I consider that the Q1 can be disregarded essentially always.
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