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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:13 am

Steve, you know i dont do these until the last minute. Can it wait until May 2020? :)
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:25 am

Sure, it can wait. Since I like to analyze for political betting, it is best for me to look as early as possible. I will offer my slant later.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:50 am

Regardless where Trump’s 2020 SSR sets-up, there are some striking malefic stuff which is ‘locked into collusion’ for his entire 2020 solar year.

t. Mars 26,33 Aqu, Neptune 25,55 Aqu, square his Full Moon. Transiting Mars 26,33 Aqu partile 90 his Natal Moon 27,13 Scorpio.

t. Pluto partile 180 his Natal Saturn partile his VX/AX axis.

If this is not symbolizing a 2020 loss for another Prez run, this most certainly is symbolizing something very malefic for his 2020 solar year!

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:52 am

Another reason I hadn't looked at his 2020 is that I'm hoping that he's long gone before that. Nonetheless...

A quick look at his June 14, 2020 SSR shows Uranus exactly at MC - he'll continue to be outlandish, surprising people, but also the world surprising him in big ways - and Saturn widely (< 3°) on Westpoint, suggesting that the surprises for him won't be happy ones.

Uranus squares his Pluto. Neutrally, Moon squares his Mercury. Less neutrally, it opposes his Neptune.

Transiting Neptune squares his Sun-Moon-Uranus fully by then, and in the SSR Mars is partile square his natal Moon - that looks painful!

I think it doesn't look good for him.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:00 pm

Thanks Jim.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:10 pm

Just to add a bit of speculation.. Trump's next birthday (2019) will be on a Friday, and in 2020 it will fall on a Saturday. If he's not abroad and nothing big is going on he'll likely be in Bedminster, NJ at his golf club. Not that far from DC.
Since he'll be back and forth with campaigning much of 2020 before November, I think predictions from the DC residence chart are a reasonable compromise, and he'll almost certainly be in DC the day of the election.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:55 pm

Excellent points JSAD. :)

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:24 am

If Trump is elected again as Prez in 2020, I predict a high probability of a ‘heavy burden’ for USA in this time period:

Jan 21, 2021 to Nov 23, 2021

Why?

Transiting Pluto is partile 180 Trump’s Natal Saturn and partile on his Natal Vx/Ax axis from Jan 21, 2021 to Nov 23, 2021, a once in lifetime transit. Donald Bradley says about angular Saturn-Pluto:
…shouldering unwanted burdens…
Although Natal Vx/Ax axis is not an angle, it is a sensitive chart point.

And:

DC’s 2021 Capsolar is the most destructed aspected Capsolar I have witness in the entire history of USA Capsolars, with Capsolar Mars partile cnj Capsolar MC, partile 90 Capsolar Saturn. From April 3rd, 2021 to July 12th, 2021, t. Saturn is partile cnj 2021 Capsolar (master chart of the year) Dsc.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by sara8824 » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:40 am

Our look at the horoscope of Donald Trump, a Gemini with Leo rising and Sagittarius moon.
What does GOP candidate Donald Trump’s astrology chart reveal about him? Here’s what the stars have to say. Donald Trump is a Gemini—the clever, fast-talking sign governed by Mercury the messenger. Love him or loathe him, you have to give it to the Donald:

The man has coined some snappy soundbites. With his Uranus, ruler of technology, social media and group activity, in his tenth house of public image, it’s no surprise he’s caused such uproars on Twitter and at his own rallies.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:55 am

Sara, I approved your post because you're new, and so I could comment on it: You are analyzing this chart in the fictitious Tropical zodiac which has no relevance to this site. Please read the basic essays at the very top of the "Many Things" section of this site so that you know what we're all about.

Donald Trump has Sun in the constellation Taurus opposite Moon in Scorpio. (Your remarks on his strong Uranus are insightful, however.)

I've removed the link you posted, which was about Tropical Capricorn and bore no obvious relationship to what you were discussing in your post.
sara8824 wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:40 am
Our look at the horoscope of Donald Trump, a Gemini with Leo rising and Sagittarius moon.
What does GOP candidate Donald Trump’s astrology chart reveal about him? Here’s what the stars have to say. Donald Trump is a Gemini—the clever, fast-talking sign governed by Mercury the messenger. Love him or loathe him, you have to give it to the Donald:

The man has coined some snappy soundbites. With his Uranus, ruler of technology, social media and group activity, in his tenth house of public image, it’s no surprise he’s caused such uproars on Twitter and at his own rallies.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:21 am

From the beginning of the Mueller investigation, I've suggested his best luck might be in a two-pronged effort, and (gosh and by golly) it looks like he just might be heading down the road.

(1) I suggested that the questions about indicting a seated president can be circumvented by nailing his sons and The Jared for their crimes and then cutting a deal with Trump to resign in order to spare them being in prison the rest of his life. Many observers are now introducing this as a new, likely idea.

(2) I further suggested that Pence surely knew about Flynn's wrong-doing from the transition team, Pence testified to Congress that he didn't, and Flynn was the person best suited to document the lie. This gets rid of Pence BEFORE Trump leaves office. This week we learned that Mueller has all the transition team's emails and is actively investigating, with Flynn's help, considerable communication between the transition team and the Russian government.

(3) I advised the Republicans in the fall to get on the impeachment train ASAP because, otherwise, they'd be stuck with President Pelosi after January 3 and could have had President Ryan instead. -- Of course, for some obscure and unfathomable reason, they didn't listen to me :) and it looks like tings may be going exactly in that direction.

Meanwhile, John Kelly is reportedly leaving his Chief of Staff post in the next few days, which removes the last bastion of stability and discipline from the Trump White House except, perhaps, for John Bolton's barber.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:28 am

Your 'suggestions' Jim could certainly prove-out the fundamental reasons for Trump's very malefic Sidereal Solar Return, with the harsh Moon-Saturn hitting him now in Dec.

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Trump & Pelosi

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:55 am

This should be fun! Nancy Pelosi was born March 26, 1940, time unknown. Using noon EST positions:

DT MC 0°23' Tau
NP 2°04' Taurus
DT Mars 2°47' Leo

DT Neptune 11°50' Vir
NP Sun 11°59' Pis

DT Moon 27°13' Sco
DT Sun 28°56' Tau
NP Neptune 29°55' Leo

NP Mercury 23°13' Aqu
DT Uranus 23°54' Tau

DT Jupiter 23°28' Vir
NP Jupiter 24°02' Pis
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by benji » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:45 am

I found it interesting and entertaining, that back in November 2018, Donald Trump endorsed Nancy for the speaker of the house.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... eaker-of-/

My first question was, is he being sarcastic? My second question, was he trying to isolate her from the Democratic party? Lastly, he might respect her?
Either way, it going to be entertaining.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Lance » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:46 am

Pretty sure he likes to encourage the people his base hates. That way he can keep them agitated.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:39 am

Lance wrote:
Pretty sure he likes to encourage the people his base hates. That way he can keep them agitated.
Exactly!

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by benji » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:04 pm

Steve, responded before I could Lance, Good point. President Trump respects and will listen to power.

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Solar eclipse 1/5/19

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:56 am

I've never settled into the "whoa, there's an eclipse coming!" school of most mundane astrologers, but I thought it worth noting that the January 5 eclipse is opposite the U.S. natal Sun. One might expect that it would have an impact on the U.S. president.

I'm still thinking that the BIG impact is coming before that - charts peak next week, around Christmas Eve, give or take. But I thought it worth mentioning this eclipse.

A total lunar eclipse occurs January 21, directly along the meridian in Washington. This has Sun 0°05' from conjunct U.S. natal Pluto.
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"Previously on... Donald Trump"

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:13 pm

Steve, this one may be of interest to you in particular, since you claim to be little informed in politics but also seem really interested in what's going on now.

You know those TV episodes or catch-up specials (X-Files used to do them a lot) that you could watch if you'd missed the prior season? Tis article is like one of those. Besides having up-to-the-hour information on the White House state of mind, it really lays out all the characters and the main plot points of the last two years and sets you up for "the new season." If you haven't kept up, this is your entry point.

The title of the article is also very suitable for a Mars-rising individual.

For Trump, ‘a War Every Day,’ Waged Increasingly Alone
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/22/us/p ... a_20181222
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:54 pm

Thanks Jim for the link. I may not keep up with political news Jim (I spend most of my retired time riding my bike and listening/watching you-tube), but I damn sure keep up with Trump's Sidereal Astrology charts and posting on your forum, since Sidereal Astrology is a passion for my soul. When Trump became Prez, I was very alarmed with his relocated Natal to DC showing his Natal Mars dead-on his relocated DC Asc. Combining this with his Full Moon in Natal with Moon in Scorpio, this is all I needed to see/know how his aggressive character would manifest as Prez, like a bull in a china shop. The biggest thing which alarmed me the most was if Trump made it to his 2nd term then he would be presiding over the 2021 Capsolar, which is the most malefic Capsolar I have analyzed in the entire history of USA, with a-lot of possible War symbolism. Combining this with his partile Natal Mars cnj his DC relocated Asc---definitely not good for the country with a higher probability of major war. Back in July 2015 I bet 10% of my bank account (a rare occurrence) on Trump to win the Rep candidacy and Prez because of what I saw on his Sidereal Charts & Sidereal Mundane Astrology charts, particularity that Moon-Jupiter in his 2016 SSR. Donald Bradley's book Solar and Lunar Returns taught me about Moon-Jupiter being the supreme aspect for winning political contests, and I have been an active sports bettor since I was 21 years of age. I predicted on this forum the same year Trump became Prez--there was high % he could be removed as Prez with the harsh symbolism in his 2018 SSR and the par-excellent symbolism of the Saturn-Neptune 'removal' aspect Bradley taught us in his book Solar & Lunar Returns. I don't watch TV, I calculate & look at Sidereal Charts while listening/watching video music on youtube--it pleases my soul. I depend on you and JSAD to keep me informed about political things. :)

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by James Condor » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:29 am

I see Jim E, a predicted impeachment on the 24th of 18. But maybe the 2019 instead. I didn't mind Trump until the "Wall" obsession. What a {shagging} joke.
What in his chart makes him so . Reminds me of my stubborn father in not letting his ego, go. Holding onto such a petty thing for power. To prove a point. At all costs. And not logical, practical

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Donald Trump's worst day

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:41 am

Arguably, yesterday was Donald Trump's worst day ever. Roger Stone was arrested before dawn and charged with crimes that increase the threat to Trump. Then, he reached a deal with Congress to refund the government temporarily, giving Democrats everything they really wanted, including the chance to deprive him of everything he really wanted. The self-touted master of the deal came up completely short. The self-styled winner was a loser. And the person most responsible for this trouncing and routing was a woman. The man who has insulted women for opening their mouths was trounced by a woman called Speaker.

It all climaxed at 2:16 PM January 25, 2019 when he stepped into the Rose Garden to take a loser's lap in front of the White House Press Corps while pretending he'd succeeded.

SOLAR QUOTIDIAN
The best day marker was his SQ, which put solar Neptune 0°12' from Descendant and transiting Neptune 0°12' from square MC. Also, SQ Moon at 25°56' Gemini was opposite solar Pluto 0°06' and transiting Pluto 0°40'.

He got to save face and present it as a win, though: Transiting Jupiter squared SQ Ascendant 0°08', which also means it squared solar Neptune 0°10', a transit commonly interpreted as saving face.

DEMI-LUNAR RETURN
His SLR primarily put his luminaries and Uranus on the angles - "Donald being Donald" - but he Demi-SLR January 18 took a more humbling edge. Moon-Neptune are in mundane square on the angles, although the rising Neptune gets squares from a background Venus-Jupiter (again, the face-saving). His Moon-Sun-Uranus are along the meridian.

Here is my original forecast based on this Demi-Lunar:
Broadly, it would be reasonable to expect every positive and negative expression of Neptune that comes to mind as possible for this fortnight. Foremost, because the closest transit is to his Sun, the main themes involve his sense of self and purpose. Given his character, his usual narcissism is likely amplified by this blending of powerful psychic vitality, mental and emotional striving for success, comfort wielding power, and self-satisfaction with the planet that molds reality to its own ends. Expect the president to be unusually adamant, unswerving in his own reality, with tenuous, surrealistic views about himself.

That's the main effect of Neptune transits to natal Sun: They distort (as in a funhouse mirror) one's sense of oneself. Identity and purpose lose their concrete moorings. This can be useful in overly-rigid people, relaxing old definitions to make way for something new; but, in those who approach life through instinctive impressions instead of facts, the magnified, elastic bounds of reality lose perspective. He may be elated, almost ecstatic when on a high note, and lost, suspicious, and despondent with his low notes.

In any case, he mobilizes every available fact to support his entrenched reality. His reality determines his facts (not the other way around). Watch him closely for this two weeks: He is feeling everything magnified, as if on surreality-enhancing drugs.

Rising Neptune squares a background Venus-Jupiter conjunction. The adopted reality is positive, his mood elated. But it can turn edgy and dark on a dime: Whereas the full Lunar Return has transiting Mars and Neptune centered on Descendant, this Demi-SLR has his natal Mars and Neptune each 9-10° from Descendant, their midpoint 0°18' from the angle. He perceives insidious plotting
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Veronica » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:19 pm

I searched a bit through the threads but didnt see this mentioned.

Trumps natal has a venus saturn conjunction, and this year venus and saturn are conjunct on Feb 18. It almost looked opposite to me, (I think its very very widely opp. His natal saturn but to far from his venus) but actually that transit is more opposite his natal mercury. Yet transiting pluto is widely opposite that natal conjunction.

In thinking about the venus saturn aspect I wonder what that will bring as it feels like a heavy influence. The transit is also square his natal jupiter, just like his natal conjunction does. It also though is fairly tighly square his natal chiron, which to me seems like his friends are gonna stab him in the back.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:30 pm

Not exactly then or exactly that thing, but... for a piece of it... go here:
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=2850#p21183
and read the section on Trump's March 14 Demi-Lunar Return.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Veronica » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:45 pm

Thanks!
Very interesting!
I am definitely getting better at astrology.

Definitely some mind food on transiting conjunction opposite a natal conjunction and what that could symbolize and bring out.

What an amazing bit of timing.

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