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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:12 pm

Canadian clinical psychologist and a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. Most known for his presence on YouTube, his stance against "political correctness" and against the Canadian government's Bill C-16 (which adds gender expression and gender identity as protected grounds to the Canadian Human Rights Act) and also for his self-help book, 12 Rules for Life.

His birth data was recently added to astro.com's databank last April:
12 June 1962, 2.49AM MST, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
Rodden rating: AA
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Peterson,_Jordan

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astro.com wrote:Steven Stuckey emailed photo of birth announcement card, writing "Here is Jordan Peterson's data, sent to me by him via email. He sent a copy of his birth announcement (see attachment below) with permission to publish to the astrological community. He was born June 12, 1962 @ 2:49 AM MST in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada."
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:54 pm

That Taurus Sun carries an unusually strong "harmlessness" factor, I guess... because otherwise this is one of the most severe, toxic charts I've seen in a while.
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:24 pm

I immediately looked for the Mars-Saturn aspect. Found it.

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:44 pm

Avshalom Binyamin wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:24 pm
I immediately looked for the Mars-Saturn aspect. Found it.
In the activist sense, or something else?

Here are the main factors in the chart:

FOREGROUND
Angular Neptune (Dsc 2°08')
Angular Mars (Asc 3°20')
Angular Pluto (Dsc 5°18')
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Saturn square Neptune (0°06')
Mars square Saturn (0°20')
Mars opposite Neptune (0°26')
Moon conjunct Pluto (1°13' in mundo)
Mars opposite Pluto (1°58' in mundo)
Neptune conjunct Pluto (3°10' in mundo)
Moon opposite Mars (3°10' in mundo)

OTHER
Moon in Virgo
Moon trine Mercury (0°54')
Sun in Taurus
Mars in Aries
Mars sextile Jupiter (0°56')
Mercury square Jupiter (1°26')
Mercury trine Saturn (2°27')
Jupiter trine Neptune (0°55')
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:02 pm

Because he is an impotent bully. But yes, all those other aspects are tough.

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:15 pm

FlorencedeZ. wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:55 pm
Avshalom Binyamin wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:24 pm
I immediately looked for the Mars-Saturn aspect. Found it.
Why? The aspect is not angular and it is not too bad :)

I think the partile aspect of Mars opposite Neptune and Pluto (the latter in Mundo) is the difficulty here.
Mars-Neptune is angular and Saturn squares right into it. The triple Mars-Saturn-Neptune, excruciatingly close, is the primary feature of the chart.

Moon and Pluto piled into the Mars-Neptune doesn't help.
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:16 pm

Avshalom Binyamin wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:02 pm
Because he is an impotent bully. But yes, all those other aspects are tough.
Ah, I see. That makes sense then. The chart could most easily be violent, abusive, and poisoning. (Not necessarily, but most easily.)

I don't have a clue who this guy is except for what Scales listed above, and from that he sounded like a civil rights hero. The Taurus Sun was the only salvation of harmlessness.
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:26 pm

He's a darling of young alt-right men right now. At first glance, he appears to be smart and helpful, and talks a lot about Jung in interesting ways. But he espouses a lot of toxic ideas that really boil down to resentment that white men are not as culturally dominant as they have been historically.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:07 pm

Well, three cheers for astrology which picked that up right away LOL!

But I'm confused: If that's who he is, why is he an advocate of including gender expression and gender identity in the category of special protections under their civil rights act? That's not alt-right at all.
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:13 pm

He's very against it.

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:40 pm

Avshalom Binyamin wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:13 pm
He's very against it.
Ah. That makes much more sense. I totally got that backwards. Now his chart makes sense!

He's a meaner, more effective, more strategic Donald Trump. Afflicted angular Neptune demagogue.
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:11 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:16 pm
I don't have a clue who this guy is except for what Scales listed above, and from that he sounded like a civil rights hero.
Oh no, he's no civil rights activist 😅 Av gets the gist of him pretty well.
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But I'm confused: If that's who he is, why is he an advocate of including gender expression and gender identity in the category of special protections under their civil rights act? That's not alt-right at all.
I'm so sorry, my bad. Instead of "against...Bill C-16" I wrote "for...Bill C-16". I wrote this before I got to sleep late last night. I've corrected it now.

I'm glad you don't know him, Jim. He's mostly popular among and commonly attracts Western, North American, young, troubled, middle-class white men who have lost a sense of purpose and direction in life and somehow he (with his self-help) appears as a father figure to them that made them "stand up straight with with your shoulders back" (that's the first "rule" from his "12 Rules for Life" book). He places a lot of the burden as to why (white) men aren't living their best life these days on feminism, social justice and etc. You might not want to watch any YouTube video that features him.

His stance against the Canadian Bill C-16 was (primarily?) that this could mean that using the wrong pronoun for a transgender person could get you convicted under that act, and therefore it is "against free speech".

I was stunned to see that his self-help book was being sold in a major bookstore here in Malaysia, and I was like, "Gosh, how influential is he here?"

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:03 pm

I think the cool victory for astrology here, Scales, is that his chart seemed severely at odds with who I (wrongly) thought you were saying he was. At a glance (really, just a few seconds of looking) he seemed exactly like you tell me he is.
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:09 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:03 pm
I think the cool victory for astrology here, Scales, is that his chart seemed severely at odds with who I (wrongly) thought you were saying he was. At a glance (really, just a few seconds of looking) he seemed exactly like you tell me he is.
Indeed! When I first saw his chart I felt it was a perfect fit for everything he is.

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Post by FlorencedeZ. » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:01 am

Avshalom Binyamin wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:26 pm
He's a darling of young alt-right men right now. At first glance, he appears to be smart and helpful, and talks a lot about Jung in interesting ways. But he espouses a lot of toxic ideas that really boil down to resentment that white men are not as culturally dominant as they have been historically.
Yikes :shock:
He's not very popluar here when he gave talks at the University of Amsterdam, many academics pleaded to boycot him. And he was on national TV on a talk show. His straw reasoning, presenting the point of view of someone else in a distorted way because it is easy to beat, to make yourself more convincing quickly, overshadowed the actual position of the opponent. People got really fed up with these tactics.

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Lance » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:45 pm

TheScales_BothWays wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:09 pm
Indeed! When I first saw his chart I felt it was a perfect fit for everything he is.
Yeah.. Wow.. So fitting. I'll confess it makes me happy to see him so easily laid bare.

On another note, though, the mundoscope really makes a huge difference on this one.

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:00 pm

Lance wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:45 pm
On another note, though, the mundoscope really makes a huge difference on this one.
Yes, it does... especially with Pluto. But, since you're teaching these days, I should point out that that rest is pretty easy to see from a glance at the Campanus horoscope. The 6th and 12th houses are 90° wide along the ecliptic!!! Crudely, you can take one-third of those houses (in this case, that's 30°) and know that it's about 10° of the prime vertical (one-third of the house). Once you set a mental boundary of around 29° Virgo-Pisces, it's at once clear that the Mars-Neptune is quite close.

To check this estimate, note that Eastpoint is 1° Aries - roughly at that boundary - and its mundoscope position is 8° above Ascendant. The estimate works pretty well.

You can do the same with Venus: The 4th house is 9° wide on the ecliptic, Venus is 2° off the angle in longitude, a third of the house is 3°, so you can estimate she's at the edge of foreground - and you;d be right, she;s about 10° off. (I didn't pay any attention to foreground Venus because it's borderline and there are so many other strong factors of an opposite nature).

Pluto always needs checking, though, especially when setting. If someone doesn't have access to the mundoscope calculations but has altitude, they can see Pluto is is 3°50' below Dsc, which is going to be roughly correct. Similarly with Moon 6° in altitude below horizon. In PV longitude, Pluto is 5+° below, Moon 6+°.

But altitude isn't perfect. In this case, it would make Sun and Mercury seem much closer to the horizon than they are.
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:07 pm

With what you guys are telling me about Dr. Peterson, I also found fixed stars unusually interesting. He was born with Sun exactly opposite Ras Alhague, the brightest (alpha) star in Ophiuchus, making him (so to speak) the "alpha" Snake Charmer. This struck me as very descriptive of his demogogery. He is also born at the exact setting of Antares, the brightest star in Scorpio. Ophidian symbolism is rampant in his chart from these stars - he is both the "alpha" Snake and the head "snake charmer. (Trump's Moon is exactly conjunct Ras Alhague, and the similarities are substantial. There might be something to this "alpha Snake Charmer" theme.)

He's also born at the exact setting of the recently photographed black hole. (I'm born exactly at M87's rising, so I have to be careful how I characterize this :).)
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Arena » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:10 am

IMO, the key in all walks of life is to not to judge others too quickly.

I looked into Jordan Peterson last year after hearing some angry people bash him and I wondered what was causing that storm. IMO it was simply a storm in a teacup and all the fuss was imo really blow way out of proportion. Some of what I saw when actually listening to the man himself instead of listening to others speak about him, was to me taken out of context and distorted by others. I think he has a very rational, logical approach and has a tendency to be easily misunderstood.

By this I am not saying I agree with everything he says. Just saying that people may be a bit too quick judging and creating a storm out of nothing.

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Venus_Daily » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:04 pm

Arena, this has been happening for a very long time. It's sadly still happening.
There's a very gentle frankness about Dr. Peterson that is very Venusian in nature. My ex was also a Taurus/Virgo combination, and he could get fired up, but he was a total pussy willow when push came to shove. I guess Peterson's fixed stars and Martial placement make him a force to be reckoned with.

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:01 pm

There actually is a fair bit of difference in the location of where he was born and where he grew up.

Edmonton, Albert where he was born is 53N33, 113W28. Asc is 29°28' Aries, MC 28°02' Sagittarius. Angularities are:

Neptune on Dsc +2°08'
Mars on Asc +3°20'
Pluto on Dsc +5°18'
Moon on Dsc +6°30'
Moon on IC -9°57'

Fairview, Alberta where he grew up is 56N04, 118W23. Asc is 25°42' Aries, MC 23°25' Sagittarius. Angularities are stronger and their priority rearranged. There is also one truly extraordinary difference: He grew up with a rare 0°17' Neptune-Pluto conjunction less than half a degree from an angle!

Pluto on Dsc +0°04'
Neptune on Dsc +0°21'
Mars on Asc +1°35'
Moon on Dsc +3°27'
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Confluence » Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:31 pm

Fairview, Alberta where he grew up is 56N04, 118W23. Asc is 25°42' Aries, MC 23°25' Sagittarius. Angularities are stronger and their priority rearranged. There is also one truly extraordinary difference: He grew up with a rare 0°17' Neptune-Pluto conjunction less than half a degree from an angle!
Jim, can you expand on this? Why is that extraordinary?

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:39 pm

The reason is given in the exact part you quoted: He grew up with a rare 0°17' Neptune-Pluto conjunction less than half a degree from an angle.
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Confluence » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:03 am

Sorry, I more meant what is the significance of this. As in, what difference, if any, would this make to his chart? What does a 0°17' Neptune-Pluto conjunction do and does it matter that it's less than a degree from an angle?

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:45 am

You want me to interpret the Neptune - Pluto aspect for you? Please understand, I'm working remotely with limited computer resources this week, mist if the time voice dictation on my phone, so I'm trying to say as words as I possibly can.

You could go to the Aspects section of the forum and look up Neptune-Pluto aspects. There is even a separate recent thread on that aspect showing the process of disentangling and interpreting it, and that might be of even more interest to you then simply reading the results and interpretation in the aspects section. But I suggest you start with reading the primary paragraph on that aspect.
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