US Presidents - the dance of the constellations

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US Presidents - the dance of the constellations

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon May 08, 2017 6:23 pm

As forum visitors might have noticed, I have a particular interest in the horoscopes of U.S. Presidents. It's a great data base! We have abundant historic information, and the set is sufficiently diverse to show quite a range of behavior.

I've observed that there is a significant difference between the operation of the horoscope of the man (they've all been men thus far) before he became President, and while President. The office absorbs the horoscope into a nearly archetypal level. The President's horoscope becomes the de facto horoscope of the nation for a time - or, at least, it shows the patterns that the nation is enacting during that individual's Presidency, and often seems far more responsive to transits for national events than the national horoscope itself.

The king and the land are one.

Several Presidents strikingly support this premise that Presidents' horoscope becomes something larger during the years they are in office. Look at the lives vs. Presidencies of John Quincy Adams, Abraham Lincoln, and William McKinley, just for starters - but there are more! I'm sure there's a book in here somewhere ;)

As part of seeing the presidential horoscopes this way, I see the procession of Presidents as a continuing ritual enactment, with the Presidents as ritual officers; or as a symphony with the individual Presidents representing specific musical movements; or as a dance where each President is the next pattern of steps. Therefore, it should not have been a surprise when I discovered that there are patterns flowing from President to President expressed in their Sun and Moon signs primarily, which either match or the reverse patterns of their predecessors as if marking step and spin in a dance (or point and counterpoint in music, or dramatic tension in a ritual or play) with occasional pauses for movement change or redirection in the series.

What does this mean In concrete terms? In a heavy majority of cases, a new President will have the Sun or Moon either in the same sign as his predecessor or, more commonly, the reverse. Even more frequently, it will skip a generation (skip an administration), cycling back to the immediately prior pattern. This "inheritance" crosses party lines as if they don't exist.

This mathematical measurement of "inheritance" or successorhip that, by itself, makes a striking case for astrology.

I'll add details on this below, as time permits today.
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Re: US Presidents - the dance of the constellations

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon May 08, 2017 6:23 pm

In the summaries below, sign pairs (e.g., Aquarius-Sagittarius) are the Sidereal Sun-Moon sign pair (in that order).

GEORGE WASHINGTON Aquarius-Sagittarius.
There have been only two Aquarius Sun Presidents, and these have been are gargantuan stature outside all others: Washington and Lincoln. There have been no Sidereal Aquarius Moons. Sagittarius Moons are the most common of all Presidents to date, though none have occurred after the 19th Century and there has been only one since the Civil War. In any case, Washington is the first movement of the dance, the first theme of the ritual, and stands aside from the rest of the flow, outside the pattern.

JOHN ADAMS Libra-Pisces
THOMAS JEFFERSON Aries-Sagittarius
The first six Presidents were a distribution of the Virginia and Massachusetts giants among the "Founding Fathers." As the nation began the "taking turns" trade-offs between the northerners and southerners, Adams and Jefferson set off the pattern with a Libra-Aries polarity. Jefferson also continued Washington's Sagittarius Moon.

JAMES MADISON Pisces-Scorpio
Madison "inherited" Adams' Pisces Moon as a Sun-sign.

JAMES MONROE Aries-Sagittarius
A true heir of other Virginian giants preceding, Monroe most directly replicates Jefferson's Sun and Moon.

JOHN QUINCY ADAMS Gemini-Sagittarius
Retained Monroe's Sagittarius Moon.

ANDREW JACKSON Pisces-Virgo
A very different kind of switcheroo! Adams and Jackson were ferocious rivals. Both were double Spokes with Sun and Moon in opposing signs. Here the Gemini-Sagittarius polarity (already an opposition) flips 90 degrees (the closest an opposition can come to "opposite sign") to the other Spoke opposition.

MARTIN VAN BUREN Scorpio-Sagittarius
Pulls the Sagittarius Moon of the prior generation.

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WILLIAM HENRY HARRISON Capricorn-Leo
"Old Tippecanoe" totally broke the mold! There is no continuity here. I can't tell you why he was elected, except... Given how briefly he was President, it can be argued that he was a bridge whose primary purpose was to deliver John Tyler to the Presidency - and the pattern continues.

JOHN TYLER Pisces-Virgo
Skips a generation to before Van Buren to exactly replicate Jackson.

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JAMES K. POLK Libra-Cancer
Another seeming discontinuity. This seems to begin a new "movement."

ZACHARY TAYLOR Scorpio-Aries
Literally, Polk's Libra Sun flipped to Taylor's Aries Moon. More broadly, the soft Libra-Cancer tone of Polk was flipped to the manly, aggressive double-Mars of Taylor's Scorpio-Aries.

MILLARD FILLMORE Sagittarius-Taurus
Taylor's Scorpio Sun flips to Fillmore's Taurus Moon.

FRANKLIN PIERCE Scorpio-Leo
Fillmore's Taurus Moon flipped back to Pierce's Scorpio Sun (which also retrieves Taylor's Sun from one step back).

JAMES BUCHANAN Aries-Sagittarius
Not a strong example of continuity. At best, pulls Fillmore's Sun as a Moon-sign, and gives an Aries voice to the Mars-ruled Scorpio Suns or late. But I'm willing to count this as mostly a miss.

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ABRAHAM LINCOLN Aquarius-Capricorn
Like Washington, Lincoln stands outside the pack, a musical Prelude to Act II.
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ANDREW JOHNSON Sagittarius-Taurus
Replicates Fillmore exactly, and more broadly continues the Sagittarius and Taurus-Scorpio themes of the four prior non-Lincoln Presidents. (The immediate link is that his Sagittarius Sun pulls off of Buchanan's Moon.)

U.S. GRANT Aries-Cancer
Jumps a (non-Lincoln) generation to grab Buchanan's Sun. (If Lincoln is considered, which I don't think he should be, Grant flips the Capricorn Moon to Cancer.)

RUTHERFORD B. HAYES Virgo-Taurus
America's first Virgo President the Republican Jimmy Carter) is known best for starting the overhaul of the Civil Service system. But the main point here is that he jumps one back to inherit Johnson's Taurus Moon.

JAMES A. GARFIELD Scorpio-Aries
As would happen to Carter later, the nation responded to "too nice, too moderate" Hayes with an Aries Moon successor. Specifically, though, Hayes' Taurus Moon flipped to Garfield's Scorpio Sun.

CHESTER A. ARTHUR Virgo-Sagittarius
Garfield's Vice President pulls Hayes' Virgo Sun.

GROVER CLEVELAND Pisces-Cancer
Virgo flips to Pisces.

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BENJAMIN HARRISON Leo-Libra
Exactly like his grandfather, Harrison seems to have astrologically come out of nowhere! No explanation. An interpolation, before getting back to the usual story.

GROVER CLEVELAND Pisces-Cancer
Back to who he was the last time! - But this time, with the Panic of 1893. It's worth noting that the second worst financial devastation in our history occurred on the watch of a Cancer Moon partile square Saturn, and that the nation's response was to elect a Capricorn to follow. (This pattern will repeat.)

WILLIAM McKINLEY Capricorn-Capricorn
Cleveland's Cancer Moon flips to a double Capricorn.

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THEODORE ROOSEVELT Libra-Gemini
A clean break! - McKinley's death propelled the unelectable and remarkable Roosevelt into office, a rogue motif boldly striking across the face of the opera.

WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT Leo-Cancer
Taft's Cancer Moon flips the McKinley Capricorn Moon, while absorbing a Cancer Moon and Leo Sun from the two previous Presidents. Musically, a succession of motifs bound forward and synthesize.

WOODROW WILSON Sagittarius-Capricorn
The Moon-sign again flips, from Cancer back to Capricorn.

WARREN G. HARDING Libra-Aries
Harding was nearly as much a dumb note astrologically as he was in the Presidency. His closest "inheritance" link is the reach back three steps to Roosevelt for the Libra Sun.

CALVIN COOLIDGE Gemini-Gemini'
Not only double Gemini luminaries, but a Gemini stellium. This, in Harding's Vice President, was the "common man" reaction against Wilson's Sagittarius.

HERBERT HOOVER Cancer-Cancer
Not only double Cancer lumnaries, but a Cancer stellium - to succeed Coolidge's Gemini stellim. - As had happened similarly with Cleveland, the worst financial devastation in our history occurred on the watch of a Cancer Moon opposite Saturn... and the nation's response was to elect a Capricorn to follow.

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT Capricorn-Gemini
Primarily the Capricorn to flip Hoover's Cancer - but he also inherited Coolidge's Gemini Moon from one step back. (Good example here: People wanted things to go back to as good as they were in Coolidge's time.)

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HARRY S TRUMAN Aries-Libra
Roosevelt represented the largest chorus in the opera of our nation's history. After him, his Vice President started a new pattern quite suited to the needs of the time.

DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER Virgo-Libra
Retained Truman's Libra Moon.

JOHN F. KENNEDY Taurus-Leo
The start of a new wave, not particularly inheriting anything. It's important to note, besides his luminary signs, that Kennedy had an Aries cluster of Mercury, Mars, and Jupiter (which may even have been the "inheritance" from the Aries-Libra access of his two predecessors).

LYNDON B. JOHNSON Leo-Leo
Kennedy's Vice President shared his Leo Moon. It's important to note that, in addition to his double Leo luminaries, Johnson had a Leo stellium that included Mercury, Mars, and Jupiter.

RICHARD M. NIXON Sagittarius-Capricorn
In addition to his Sagittarius Sun, Nixon had a Sagittarius stellium that included... Mercury, Mars, and Jupiter. Thus, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon, the crest of the Imperial Presidency, moved the same stellium around the three "fire" signs Aries - Leo - Sagittarius.

GERALD FORD Gemini-Scorpio
Sagittarius reversed to Gemini. The imperial Sagittarian was replaced by the "common man" Gemini just when the nation needed it.

JIMMY CARTER Virgo-Libra
In what had to be the most banal Presidential contest of all time, a Gemini lost to a Virgo. (There's more to say about this, including the transition from a Mars-ruled Scorpio Moon to a Venus-ruled Libra Moon - but the Gemini-to-Virgo hand-off is the most obvious detail.)

RONALD REAGAN Capricorn-Aries
For the second time, the nation replaced a "too nice" Virgo with a Venus-ruled Moon by an Aries Moon. In this case, the Libra-to-Aries was the key "inheritance" flip - at a time that the nation wanted more military and executive assertion.

GEORGE H.W. BUSH Taurus-Virgo
Th Virgo Moon inherits Carter's Sun-sign. Notice also (in contrast to the "Fire" stellium of the Imperial Trio) that the Sun constellations now have cycled through the "Earth" signs in the order Virgo, Capricorn, Taurus.

BILL CLINTON Leo-Aries
He inherited Reagan's Aries Moon. Also a Virgo stellium, continuing Bush's Virgo theme.

GEORGE W. BUSH Gemini-Virgo
He inherited his father's Virgo Moon. (There is also a Cancer stellium to consider.)

BARACK OBAMA Cancer-Taurus
His Cancer Sun inherits and continues Bush's Cancer stellium.

DONALD TRUMP Taurus-Scorpio
His luminaries pick up Obama's Taurus Moon.

Based on Obama & Trump, the next U.S. President will have a luminary in Taurus-Scorpio or Cancer-Capricorn.
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Re: US Presidents - the dance of the constellations

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon May 08, 2017 6:24 pm

Deneb wrote:The only thing I have ever thought about U.S presidents, is that the most successful presidents are those born under Rim constellations. This is just a picture of my own imagination. A nation like USA needs a president who has leading ability and is capable of "rolling the wheel" like Rim constellations do always have. Reagan and F. Roosevelt are good examples of that.
Yes, the most Presidents have had Aries Suns, but only 14 of 42 Presidents (33% - exactly average!) have had Rim Suns. (12 have had Hub Suns, 16 have had Spoke Suns.) And, if you are talking about "greats" among the Rims (you forgot Jefferson, McKinley, and Teddy Roosevelt), you probably should also consider the massively failed Presidencies of Grant, Harding, and the senior Harrison.

Against this, though two of the Hub signs have only two Presidents each, and the total number is slightly less than the other sign types, among Hubs we have a comparable number of "greatest" Presidents, including no less than Washington, Lincoln, Kennedy, and Clinton.

You also haven't considered the Moons, and that's really where Rims are numerous! There have been 18 Rim Moon Presidents - 43% of the total - and even the worst have usually been noted for executive skills. There have been some clinkers - the massively failed Presidency of Grant, the weakness seen in Carter, and the economic disasters that trailed Hoover in particular. But you also find Lincoln, McKinley, Truman, Reagan, and Clinton, for example.

Hub Moons only show 10 (24%) and four of them came to the office initially by inheritance rather than direct election; so Americans have not tended to elect Hub Moon Presidents (and only reelected one). But among those relatively few we find such greats as Jefferson, Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson.

Finally, there have been 14 Spoke Moons - quite average (as have been most of the Spoke Moon Presidents, particularly if you strip out the early Sagittarius Moon examples). But even here we find Washington and both Roosevelts.
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Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon May 08, 2017 6:24 pm

Sidereal Bob wrote:Happy New Year Sidereal Advocates; :D Found the Presidents analysis very interesting, and hope to study further the correspondences born out by the research. My clairvoyance tells me Hillary Clinton will be our next president, but I'm in need of a valid, or speculative good source suggested birthtime. I believe her Pisces natal (D*?) Moon could fall into the pattern Jim was demonstrating. Likewise, Political Astrology by axiom calls an election to go to Jupiter transiting the Candidates Moon; Showing popularity with the Public by Vote for the Candidate. My hunch is that some of the candidates may fall close, but not enough to personify Real Change, like the First Woman US President in History. Birthtime submittals send to: katarche@ Yahoo.com -Thank You. May all our advocates & colleagues Live long & Prosper. Lux, Sidereal Bob ;)
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Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon May 08, 2017 6:25 pm

I had mentioned before (here? elsewhere?) that Hillary did not fit this pattern as a successor to Obama. It was a disturbance in the back of my mind for the last year or so. His successor would need to have a Taurus-Scorpio luminary, or Cancer-Capricorn (or, absent that, spoke luminaries as "grandchild" of W).

As we now know, his successor will, indeed, have Taurus-Scorpio luminaries. The pattern continues to hold up.
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Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon May 08, 2017 6:26 pm

Avshalom Binyamin wrote:Can you analyze potential 2020 candidates, based on Sun-Moon placements?

Here are four:

1. Elizabeth Warren
Libra (sun), Aries (moon)
June 22, 1949 1:51PM (rectified) Oklahoma City, OK

2. Bernie Sanders
Leo, Pisces
September 8, 1941 12:27 PM Brooklyn Heights, NY

3. Tim Kaine
Aquarius, Taurus
February 26, 1958 07:59AM St.Paul, Minnesota

4. Cory Booker
Aries, Leo
April 27, 1969 1:10AM Washington DC

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon May 08, 2017 6:26 pm

Presuming Trump finishes his term, the next President will need a Taurus or Scorpio luminary to fulfill this pattern OR (there are a couple of precedents) be a Leo-Aquarius to exactly polarize. Of the examples you gave, Kaine is the only one that fits, and I don't think he's competitive.

My theory (way to early to have a theory about this, I know) is that Warren start in two years to run... as Vice President! She'll be too old to go for Pres, and doesn't really want it; and the voter trends are moving (ugh!) to wanting someone new, fresh, not yet deep in the system. She should actively run as a senior mentor - the Biden model - and pledge to be in the room and in the conversation for some (perhaps thus far unknown) hot, charismatic, bright fresh face, necessarily male and almost certainly a little more centrist than she is.

PS - If Pence has already replaced Trump, we add Gemini-Sagittarius for his Moon, and there is still nobody that fits from your list. The good news: Double Capricorn Paul Ryan also does not fit!
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Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon May 08, 2017 6:27 pm

Avshalom Binyamin wrote:
Jim Eshelman wrote:Of the examples you gave, Kaine is the only one that fits, and I don't think he's competitive.
Are you speaking astrologically or practically when you say you don't think he's competitive? I sort of agree practically, but it is interesting astrologically, considering the only two aquarians have been Washington and Lincoln, and we'll be in desperate need of someone of that stature if we make it through 4 years of Trump.

Here are a few more:

5. Amy Klobuchar
Taurus-Tuarus
May 25, 1960 Plymouth, MN

6. Kirsten Gillibrand
Scorpio-Libra
December 9, 1966 Albany, NY

7. John Hickenlooper
Capricorn-Gemini
February 7, 1952 5AM, Narberth, PA

8. Kamala Harris
Libra-Pisces or possibly Libra-Aries, depending on birth time
October 20, 1964 Oakland, CA

9. Tammy Duckworth
Aquarius-Cancer or possibly Aquarius-Leo, depending on birth time
March 12, 1968 Bangkok, Thailand

10. Sherrod Brown
Libra-Cancer
November 9, 1952, Mansfield, OH

11. Tammy Baldwin
Aquarius-Aries or Aquarius-Taurus, depending on birth time.
February 11, 1962 Madison, WI

12. Tulsi Gabbard
Aries-Cancer
April 12, 1981, Leloaloa, American Samoa

So, according to the dance of the constellations, assuming Trump finishes his term, the potential candidates from the list so far are numbers 3, 5, 6, and possibly 11 (depending on birth time).

And in your Pence scenario, number 7 is the only one that fits.

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Avshalom Binyamin wrote:
Jim Eshelman wrote:Of the examples you gave, Kaine is the only one that fits, and I don't think he's competitive.
Are you speaking astrologically or practically when you say you don't think he's competitive?
Practically. If I didn't have direct knowledge to the contrary, I'd have thought Clinton's selection of him meant she wasn't serious about running, and nothing I saw in the campaign said otherwise. Then when you think of putting him up against Trump, it seems like putting a marshmallow bunny in front of a bulldozer driven by a crazy man.

Of the others, the "dance of the constellations" astrological profile is fit by Amy Klobuchar and Kirsten Gillibrand. If Pence is president, then Hickenlooper is within possibility.
And in your Pence scenario, number 7 is the only one that fits. Correct?
Pence is a Taurus Sun, so the Taurus-Scorpio luminaries all keep working.
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Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:58 pm

According to this model, the next President will have a luminary in Taurus-Scorpio or Cancer-Capricorn. Of the five current front-runners, we find:

BIDEN (Scorpio-Aries, A Data): Qualified.
WARREN (Gemini-Aries, C Data): Not qualified.
SANDERS (Leo-Pisces, C Data): Not qualified.
HARRIS (Libra-Aries, AA Data): Not qualified.
BUTTIGIEG (Capricorn-Scorpio, A Data): Qualified (doubly).

Biden and Buttigieg are not an obvious pair on the surface. They are the two most moderate of the five front-runners and therefore do not have reach across the political spectrum. Their one political advantage I see, were they to team, is that it is one way for Biden to show clear diversity support. (He doesn't need to do it cross-racially, he already has stronger Black support than Harris and Booker combined.) Astrologically, though, there is the unmissable 1°28' conjunction of Joe's Sun and Pete's Moon - and this conjunction squares Trump's Mars! Somehow (not evident on the surface), the pair seems to express an enormous amount of Uranus, since their Uranuses are 0°15' apart and within a degree of Biden's Ascendant! Their two-way Jupiter-Pluto interchanges (partile and near-partile) are also interesting. They both of Venus conjunct Sun on an angle, meaning they both express a similar kind of genuinely nice person - at least a sharp contrast to Trump's Mars rising, though I don't know if that's an advantage or disadvantage.

Besides, in a VP debate face-off with Pence, Buttigieg would make Pence sooooo uncomfortable.

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