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Natal aspect interpretations - Sun & Moon

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 7:50 am

[The folliowing interpretations are from The New Instant Astrologer as a starting point for the other information I want to add here. I'll eventually be adding statistical results from my notebooks, other notes and clarifications I've accumulated over the decades, key interpretations from other sources that I've found valuable, etc.]

INDEX/LINKS TO SUN & MOON ASPECTS NOTES
Sun-Moon http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1233
Sun-Mercury http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1234
Sun-Venus http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1235
Sun-Mars http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1236
Sun-Jupiter http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1237
Sun-Saturn http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1238
Sun-Uranus http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1239
Sun-Neptune http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1240
Sun-Pluto http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1241

Moon-Mercury http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1242
Moon-Venus http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1243
Moon-Mars http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1244
Moon-Jupiter http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1245
Moon-Saturn http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1246
Moon-Uranus http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1247
Moon-Neptune http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1248
Moon-Pluto http://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1249
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Sun-Moon aspects

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PRINCIPLE: Desire, psychic vitality, instincts serve ego+purpose, importance as an adaptation

SUN-MOON
Energetic, dynamic, terrific drive, forceful. Psychic vitality, a mental-emotional attitude biased toward success. “At home” with power. Intense desire in whatever they undertake. High vitality (unless the luminaries are afflicted). Sexual desires also particularly strong, passionate, though often narcissistic. Possible vanity, self-exaltation, and obstinacy.

Notebook #93 observations: (TRINE/SEXTILE) Energetic, involved; a natural gravitation to a place of importance (one could almost say, to a parental role). Seems to feel left out (within a given formal or informal group) if not in such a role, though most of them would deny this. Very service oriented through their wanting to be involved and active.

REPRESENTATIVE EXAMPLES: Pres. John Quincy Adams, Pres. Andrew Jackson, Olivia Newton-John, Michael Nesmith, River Phoenix, John Rechy, Michael Crichton, [many other authors], Henry Ford, Maurice Ravel, Eleanor Roosevelt, King James II, Queen Mary I, Arthur Ashe

THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Sun energizes (vitalizes), identifies the ego with, and makes central to one’s nature one’s outer “mask,” persona, emotional responsiveness, and relations with mother figures or public.
The Moon responds freely to, and permits easy expression, and employs for adaptation one’s sense of identity, personality, attitudes toward authoritative persons or institutions, and vitality.

U.S. PRESIDENTS
CONJ: William McKinley
OPP/SQR: John Q. Adams, Andrew Jackson, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush
TRI/SEX: James Monroe
STATISTICS wrote:Second highest (13-to-1 odds) for astrologers (Eshelman)

TP Davis calles Sun-Moon blends (or equivalent) "a fundamental requisite for an assault." Actual aspect occurred in 84% of her sample (the remaining 16% were somewhat vague "equivalencies," questionable because of their reliance on the Tropical zodiac).

Waxing sextile very common for eminent, successful people (Bradley)
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Sun-Mercury aspects

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PRINCIPLE: Ego & intellect, identity framed by ideas, purposeful planning

SUN-MERCURY
Resourceful, knack for organization, likely will do well in the business world, effectively self-expressive. One’s ideas are (unconsciously?) equated with the ego, so altering an opinion may feel like compromising oneself. Intellectual pride, stubbornness. Strong need to identify oneself with rationality, to affirm one’s sanity and reasonableness.

FURTHER NOTES
I can no longer accept, as given, the Grant Lewi idea that there is an especially stern grip on sanity or "hitching post to normalcy" which protects rationality. I have a few Sun conjunct Mercury examples where the individual went completely over the edge - some of my most dramatic examples. A few others seem to push the edge of sanity (primarily Rim types). -- After considering the very sane, the psychically shot, and those in between, I believe what is present is this: a strong NEED to identify oneself with rationality (though one Double rim and another Double Spoke probably would deny this). If other chart pressures are too strong, this hold will be broken finally. Otherwise, we have an ultra-Mercurial individual. They need to be able to look themselves in the mirror every morning and say, "I am sane, aren't I!"

THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Sun energizes (vitalizes), identifies the ego with, and makes central to one’s nature one’s personal communication and expression style and cognitive style.
Mercury adds intellect, calculation, perception, and voice to one’s sense of identity, personality, attitudes toward authoritative persons or institutions, and vitality.
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:These natives will be slim, boyish in build, highly strung, restless, garrulous, travelling a good deal and inclined to business generally. They will be the worrying kind and excel at mathematics or calculations.
U.S. PRESIDENTS
Franklin Pierce, James Garfield, Theodore Roosevelt
STATISTICS wrote:Uncommon for rape victims (29%) - only 21% of those murdered had this aspect (Davis). I suspect that resourcefulness, having one's wits about oneself, etc. connected to the finding.

In employment start charts (Quellas), all of the few Sun-Mercury charts were ranked as poor employees. (Overplayed ego side of communication.)
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Sun-Venus aspects

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PRINCIPLE: Identity framed by affections; ideal of beauty

SUN-VENUS
Charming, gentle, fine companions. Strong sense of friendship and natural affection. Graceful. Marked aesthetic appreciation (if not artistic talents). Most comfortable in marriage or similar relationship. (A little vain?)

THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Sun energizes (vitalizes), identifies the ego with, and makes central to one’s nature one’s love nature, romantic and pleasure style, social urges; awareness of beauty & harmony, and “femininity.”
Venus soothes, harmonizes, and gives pleasure through one’s sense of identity, personality, attitudes toward authoritative persons or institutions, and vitality.
Bradley AA 10/73 wrote:It is often aid that Sun conjunct Venus is conducive to narcissism (over-fondness for oneself to put it mildly) and, in women, to nymphomania but such expressions would be extremes. Its key meaning, taken alone, is that the social awarenesses and romantic imageries of the native are part and parcel of one's self-consciousness, leading to an idealization of Love that can never be satisfied by mere human beings. Such people may be best off uninvolved in banal matrimony.
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:The native will have a pleasing appearance, be graceful in his movements, gentle in speech, and usually loved by all. He is in love with beauty and the arts and is a favorite of the fair sex when a male.
U.S. PRESIDENTS
Calvin Coolidge
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Sun-Mars aspects

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PRINCIPLE: Male essence, heroic ideal, identity linked to power

SUN-MARS
Action, drive, accomplishment, vitality, courage. Restless, forthright, direct (perhaps hasty, impatient, temperamental, low frustration tolerance). Strong physical aggression (for business, sex, etc.) – women especially are sexually voracious. Industrious, instinctively leads or commands, thus often promoted.

Notebook #93 observations: (TRINE/SEXTILE) Moody. Stubbornly (though often silently) prideful. Broodingly temperamental.
GARTH ALLEN notes wrote:...medicine for the soul in which the aggressive compulsions of the planet Mars are dominant is, simply, action. Sun-Mars people can successfully attack a world of personal woe by smashing things, slamming the door, walking around the block a few times, or busying themselves with work... When troubled, they "take it out" on their environment, which includes their spouses and bosses, rather than themselves... Sun-Mars individuals are normally those who "expect trouble" in the routine of living, and are temperamentally armored against its consequences..."
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Sun energizes (vitalizes), identifies the ego with, and makes central to one’s nature one’s energy levels, aggressive tendencies, “masculinity,” and passions.
Mars pursues aggressively, energizes, enflames, and coarsens one’s sense of identity, personality, attitudes toward authoritative persons or institutions, and vitality.
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:This is a vigorous formation and the native will not be averse to pleasures of the senses. He will be active and energetic and have a sound constitution with reserves of energy.
U.S. PRESIDENTS
CONJ: Warren G. Harding, Lyndon B. Johnson
OPP/SQR: Andrew Johnson, Harry S Truman
TRI/SEX: Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Gerald R. Ford
STATISTICS wrote:Early mortalities (Paul Choisnard)

Infrequent in suicide maps (Bradley) - Yet common in maps of murderers (Bradley), This implies weak frustration tolerance as a basic trait. (Basic MMPI Scale 4 type.) Under sufficient provocation, more likely to kill someone else than themselves.

Common in the maps of 99 heads of state (Eshelman)

Apparently a major indicator in the charts of rape victims (Davis) - appeared in 77% of sample. Davis says it is "among the strongest significators." It showed for 82% of the survivors and 71% of those murdered (not a paltry difference) so, while it can lead one into danger, it does seem more survival prone. (Cf. the suicide statistics above.)
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Sun-Jupiter aspects

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IDENTITY: Royal, blessed, identity linked to aspiration & recognition

SUN-JUPITER
Generous, kind, warm, amiable, upbeat, tolerant. Visible self-confidence. Strong need for acceptance and friendship. A general dislike of problems (seems to float through life with amazingly little care for circumstances). Lucky: confident the universe will bail them out, problems usually resolve remarkably easily, but has a hard time persevering against real adversity when it finally strikes. (Extravagant, prodigal, loves leisure, overly reliant on luck.) Mind is philosophical or religious.

Notebook #93 observations: (TRINE/SEXTILE) Has a hard time persevering against adversity.

FURTHER NOTES:
At their best, people with this aspect can be the best of people. Very positive, optimistic outlook on life, not really hard to get along with. Warm-hearted, congenial, honest in dealings, gifted with a natural aura of grandness, nice to have around. SELF-EXPANSION, trying to broaden social, financial, and political circles of contact. Natural pride, visible self-confidence. Rises to high office early and earns promotions quickly. Born into "good family." Spoiled by parents. Social prestige is important. Love of comfort and finery could be exaggerated into excessive materialism and pretentiousness. Mind and body sound, health good. Mind could be philosophical / religious.
GARTH ALLEN notes wrote:...it denotes a deep-seated sense of personal dignity, together with a "worshipful complex" of higher standards than society generally holds to. Sun-Jupiter types of people are "instinctively happy" persons who require little to make them glow with joyful feelings - a pastel sunset, an exuberant puppy, all tongue and wiggle, bounding into their laps,... The ease with which such people can be "knocked for a loop" psychologically, however, is in direct ratio to the ease with which they can respond to the smile of a stranger on the street. sun-Jupiter aspects... identify people who have such an automatic faith in the immortality of life... Because they are emotionally oriented to their childhoods, in fact so decidedly that their friends often moan that they will "never grow up," meaning they will never turn cutthroat in a commercial way, they have an escapist tendency when severe problems arise which cannot be coped with maturely. A psychologist would say that in a crisis they revert back to the juvenile stage of problem solution reflected in the childish threat to "go out in the garden and eat worms"... personal lifetime habit of wanting everything to be just dandy all the time.
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:If well-placed in the foreground the native may be fortunately placed in life. He may well have the benefits of a good heritage. He may have aspirations for the cultural side of life and strive for the professions. He will feel at ease in circles which revere the "old school tie." With Jupiter acting in the role of "preserver," he will be fortunate amongst men and will find a way out of difficulties.
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Sun energizes (vitalizes), identifies the ego with, and makes central to one’s nature one’s socialization, response to social expectations, need to be included, style of gregarious expression, and need for the highest and best.
Jupiter enhances, qualifies, instills confidence in (can over inflate), and draws self-valuation from one’s sense of identity, personality, attitudes toward authoritative persons or institutions, and vitality.


U.S. PRESIDENTS
CONJ: William McKinley
OPP/SQR: Ronald Reagan
TRI/SEX: John Adams, John Q. Adams, Chester A. Arthur, Bill Clinton
STATISTICS wrote:High for suicides (Bradley)

High for prostitutes (Eshelman) - interestingly also high for sex surrogates (Eshelman & King)

Also a marked characteristic of the sexually dysfunctional (Eshelman; many of these were clients of the surrogates used for the other tally). Interestingly, Jain also reported Sun-Jupiter aspects in 80% of his erectile dysfunction cases.

Common for "lonely hearts" column letters to American Astrology

Quite common for murdered rape victims (Davis) - 71% of sample - but perfectly normal occurence for those who survived (41%).
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Sun-Saturn aspects

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PRINCIPLE: Survival, control, discipline, self-reliance, struggle

SUN-SATURN
Effective survivors, self-sufficient, hard working, accomplishing. Used to hard work, few luxuries; preferring private, modest accommodations. Not always good control on strong impulses, but generally very good control of small & medium-sized ones. Authority (likely paternal) issues to overcome. Serious; enjoy deep subjects; yet few have so good a sense of humor! Childhood hardships common, circumstances force early maturation.

Notebook #93 observations: (Conjunction-Opposition-Square) Self-sufficient, independent. I suspect significant parent issues in most. Inclined to action rather than passivity, so generally capable of significant accomplishment. Not always good impulse control on strong impulses, but generally very good in control of the smaller and medium-sized ones.
(Trine-Sextile) I suspect significant parent issues in all cases. They have really deep-seated self-sufficiency issues, and it tends to "freeze them up" in places. Inclined to reaction, rather than action.
DONALD BRADLEY in personal correspondence wrote:The self-destructive Sun-Saturn configuration... in the average case works out merely in the compulsive need to work hard and long. There is often an emphasized fear of death in people with this aspect, so they keep dodging the subject and keep themselves overly busy in order not to think about the stark facts. There is often a deeply rooted resentment of parents, and sometimes an obsessive need to be neat and clean about one's person (the opposite being true in the unconscious mind).
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:Here the native will be inclined to be of the serious type and drawn to philosophy and other serious studies. Naturally skeptical, he demands adequate experimental proof before adopting a thesis as true. Inclined to eschew frivolities and living an abstemious life, he usually manages to live to a ripe old age with all his faculties intact.
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Sun energizes (vitalizes), identifies the ego with, and makes central to one’s nature one’s way of facing life’s struggles, areas of insecurity, feelings of inadequacy, and personal autonomy needs.
Saturn structures, formats, inhibits, frustrates, and experiences inadequacy and thus over-compensation concerning one’s sense of identity, personality, attitudes toward authoritative persons or institutions, and vitality.


U.S. PRESIDENTS
OPP/SQR: Woodrow Wilson
TRI/SEX: William H. Taft
STATISTICS wrote:Comedians and comedy writers (Bradley, AAM 4/57). See http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5150

Quite common for rape victims (77%, Davis).

Common for violent criminals (Carter)
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Sun-Uranus aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 7:54 am

PRINCIPLE: Self-renewal, liberation, individuality

SUN-URANUS
Go their own way, unapologetically following their own paths & persuaded that they’re a “special case.” Resourceful, stimulating, but easily bored (in need of frequent stimulation). Love of freedom: bow to no authority but themselves. Progressive, future-oriented, uninhibited by convention. Adept at creative problem solving. Self-perspective usually founded in objectivity.

Notebook #93 observations: (CONJUNCTION-OPPOSITION-SQUARE) Independently resourceful, usually without the cantankerous and other negative side of those traits.
(TRINE-SEXTILE) Deeply interested in magick.
GARTH ALLEN wrote:SUN-URANUS COMBINATIONS, for example, stand for Freedom From Anonymity. Even with a lunchpail-and-timeclock existence, the Sun-Uranus native never relinquishes his notions of self-specialness, for this ego refuses to fuse itself in the sea of workaday namelessness. He carries this striving to retain social uniqueness and personal independence even into marriage and parenthood, where his dependents learn early that they are secondary to his work, ideas, aims and passions. He is apt to allow his zest for something to get out of hand by allowing the interest itself to engulf him and thereby smother his normal obligations to other subjects and persons. He is on a lifelong quest of self-probing, to understand incarnation and what life is all about. Tending to be perfectionistic and precision-minded, he has a preachy dictatorial air that aggravates steadier souls in his vicinity.
GARTH ALLEN wrote:Sun-Uranus aspects are the messianic aspects of horoscopes. It is difficult to conceive of birth-charts without such configurations, for Sun-Uranus aspects characterize the charts of rugged individualists, those who find it easy to renounce filial ties and those who seem to tap an exhaustless source of inner fuel for inspiration and actual sustenance. The proverbial poet starving in his garret is such a type, as is the perfectionistic orchestra conductor and the tireless, painstaking sculptor who produces his statue a few powdery grains per scrape. This compulsion toward perfection in itself is a deterrent to matrimony, for Sun-Uranus men tend to worship a romantic ideal which is impossible of realization in the flesh.... The Sun-Uranus man finds marriage a necessary evil or at least an obstacle to self-realization.
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:These Sun-Uranus folk can be quite unique and exciting in their ways. They are unexpectedly and refreshingly novel in all they do that those who come before the public often strike the headlines and cause a public sensation. As Uranus is the promittor of inspiration they seem to seize the right moment to do the right thing and therefore excel in politics, adventure, sport, and science.
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Sun energizes (vitalizes), identifies the ego with, and makes central to one’s nature one’s individualistic concept of self and avenues of excitement (and how it is pursued).
Uranus impersonalizes, unshackles, awakens, stimulates, and adds freedom from structure or inhibition to one’s sense of identity, personality, attitudes toward authoritative persons or institutions, and vitality.


U.S. PRESIDENTS
OPP/SQR: William Henry Harrison, George H.W. Bush
TRI/SEX: Andrew Johnson, U.S. Grant [both oversaw Reconstruction], Bill Clinton

STATISTICS wrote:Very common in charts of lifelong bachelors (Bradley)

It's the only really outstanding aspect in my personal collection of the charts of psychotherapists

Showed in the charts of 79% of murdered rape victims (71% of all of Davis' sample, but quite ordinary for the survivors.)
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Sun-Neptune aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 7:54 am

PRINCIPLE: Ego-dissolution, fantasy, forging an ideal

SUN-NEPTUNE
Self-view is unrealistic or disproportionate (excessively poor or grand). Nurtures an air of secrecy or mystery. Love of drama, music, fantasy, mysticism, general surrealism. Active imaginations. Potential to move and inspire others if they acquire focus & perseverance. Sensitive to ambient physical & emotional impressions; exaggerates the “feeling tone” of a time & place.

Notebook #93 observations: (OPPOSITION-SQUARE) All are sincere and committed in principle, and do "as well as they can" in action; but their life circumstances tend to be too complex for them to be "full up" participants. (This last is a STRIKING trait and life pattern!)
(TRINE-SEXTILE) Very devoted and helpful; or, in the alternative, accustomed to being unrebutted empresses in their own small pond.

From Visions & Voices: Close Sun-Neptune conjunctions, oppositions, and squares are common in the horoscopes of enormously successful politicians (e.g., Bobby Kennedy, Al Gore, Sarah Palin, George Moscone, Edward Kennedy, and 10 U.S. Presidents), business visionaries (like Bill Gates), religious evangelists (like Billy Graham), and more A-list entertainers than I could list on this page. It seems to me that the common denominator in all of these is the entertainer, the weaver of a particular reality, and the sensitive with an unusual ability to read an audience effectively.
GARTH ALLEN wrote:...Sun-Neptune aspects denote a pliable, adaptive sort of idealism which can attach itself to any target and make that target of the affections "the one and only." Hence, a Sun-Neptune man finds it easy to propose to whichever girl he happens to be in love with at the moment, for the girl seems to fulfill the qualifications conveniently. the qualifications, of course, are so elastic and ephemeral that no spiritual conflict arises until another infatuation allows of yet another alteration of the ideal. The familiar metaphor, "sea of matrimony," is more astrologically appropriate than we had guessed... inasmuch as Neptune's foremost symbol is the sea. [...] Sun-Neptune aspects denote the urge toward self-projection as well as elasticity of the heart. [...] The sun-Neptune man finds the institution of marriage an especially useful device for the blossoming of his selfhood.
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:These people are often gifted with large doe-like eyes. They tend to live, as artists, in a world of their own making, a world of fantasia, of drama, music, dance, and make-believe, divorced from the harsh world of reality. If compelled to live in such a world, as most are, they like to translate it into art. Having very abnormal and sensitive imaginations they are temperamental and are quick to "blow their top." Essentially escapists, there is a danger of addiction to drugs or drink as they are fascinated by temptation. They are the habitues of the entertainment world from grand opera to pop music.
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Sun energizes (vitalizes), identifies the ego with, and makes central to one’s nature one’s imagination and fantasy, mode of reality fabrication, sensual indulgence, and response to temptation.
Neptune exaggerates, diffuses, confuses, distorts, infuses with fantasy, hyper-sensitizes, atrophies, and withers one’s sense of identity, personality, attitudes toward authoritative persons or institutions, and vitality.

U.S. PRESIDENTS
CONJ: Harry S Truman
OPP/SQR: William H. Taft, Franklin D. Roosevelt
TRI/SEX: James Madison, Millard Fillmore, U.S. Grant
STATISTICS wrote:Murderers (Bradley) - a fact which suggests weak frustration tolerance.

The only outstanding aspect in the charts of multiple marriage people (Bradley - sample was from the 1940s and '50s and earlier when this was much less common). Bradley attribted this to a strong need-for-others. Also, lowest incidence among lifelong bachelors.

Common for 99 heads of state (Eshelman)

Carter found this often in his collection of insanity maps.
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Sun-Pluto aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 7:55 am

PRINCIPLE: Authentic self, solitude, eccentric, the exception

SUN-PLUTO
A “law unto themselves,” “the exception to the rule.” Little respect for arbitrary expectations. Antiauthoritarian, needs to be free from arbitrary or incompetent control. Comfortable as “outsider” or “congenial bad boy.” Often seems aloof, unresponsive, but rarely harsh; usually kind, “live and let live.”

Notebook #93 observations: (CONJUNCTION) May be poorer than the other aspects at being part of a group, due to isolationist tendencies and antiauthoritarian posturing.
Garth Allen, AA 8/57 wrote:Startlingly "different" personalities than one ordinarily meets and who accomplish things never done before...
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:Sun-Pluto are apt to be the "odd men out" of society. Feeling this, some orefer to live in isolation. They do not fit in well with community life. Alack of warmth in human relationships makes them the separatists they are. The tendency can be dangerous and lead to antisocial activities. It can also manifest as outstanding ability, unique in its way, which can lead to a commanding position. Sun-Pluto people can rank among the great class of men of genius.
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Sun energizes (vitalizes), identifies the ego with, and makes central to one’s nature one’s “Get away from it all” urge, need to be independent of cultural trap¬pings and labels, and search for existential meaning.
“All or nothing” Pluto strains, either strongly intensifies or thoroughly diminishes, and creates powerful need that to be free of others’ arbitrary limitations concerning one’s sense of identity, personality, attitudes toward authoritative persons or institutions, and vitality.

U.S. PRESIDENTS
OPP/SQR: Theodore Roosevelt, Warren G. Harding
STATISTICS wrote:Few murderers (Bradley). However, Pluto was found foreground a great amount of time in the same study. MY ANALYSIS: Because Sun-Pluto is uncommon for murderers, we may be obliged to regard it as indicating high frustration tolerance. Could this possibly be true? I suspect that Sun-Pluto people deal with stress by leaving the situation - something different from Neptunian avoidance behavior. They go off to solve their problems on their own. In particular, among charts in my files, the Sun-Pluto conjunction seems more self-destructive than others-destructive, although this is so for the other Sun-Pluto aspects to a lesser extent. There must be an inner confrontation with Thanatos.

Very common for male sexual dysfunction especially erectile failure. (Sensitivity to pressure or coercion?)

Well represented for 99 heads of state

Present for 71% of rape victims (Davis). However, while it showed for 82% of the survivors it was perfectly normal (57%) for those who were killed. It is therefore conceivable that this is not specifically a rape-prone aspect but one with a survival theme in it. Notice that something similar occurred with Sun-Mars.
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Moon-Mercury aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 7:55 am

PRINCIPLE: Intellect/perception fused with subconsciousness/emotion

MOON-MERCURY
Intellect fused with the emotions, especially with subconscious patterns; thus, quick at assessment, intuitive, strategic (cagey, deceptive). Personality dominated by intellect & nervous system. Tremendous mental output & capacity to absorb knowledge (apt at languages, good memory). Can seem ‘all business’ in emotional matters & emotionally stubborn in factual ones: Under duress, “reasonableness” competes with reactive emotion.

Notebook #93 observations: (TRINE-SEXTILE) Possibly some difficulty with focus of effort and attention.
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:The native is endowed with considerable mental acumen, especially when the Moon is in opposition. Here the mental output will be great and the capacity to imbibe knowledge prodigious. Not infrequently this configuration is the diathesis of genius. An excellent memory is accompanied by a remarkable linguistic ability. He will excel in all branches of learning. He is inclined to be restless and is often afflicted with the "wanderlust" and therefore usually manages to travel extensively. It is an aspect of common sense, a valuable commodity for success.
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Moon responds freely to, and permits easy expression to, and employs for adaptation one’s personal communication and expression style and cognitive style.
Mercury adds intellect, calculation, perception, and voice to one’s outer “mask,” persona, emotional responsiveness, and relations with mother figures or public.

U.S. PRESIDENTS
CONJ: Lyndon B. Johnson
OPP/SQR: Franklin Pierce
TRI/SEX: James Buchanan, Chester A. Arthur, Benjamin Harrison, Barack Obama

STATISTICS wrote:Philosophers (Choisnard)

The soft aspects are particularly common for violent crime per Carter.
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Moon-Venus aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 7:56 am

PRINCIPLE: Female essence, nurture, love instinct

MOON-VENUS
Attractive, charming; much sexual charisma. Gracious (ingratiating), affectionate, sensual. Fond of social niceties. High frustration tolerance. (Passive-dependent, moody, can be blindsided by strong feelings, often preoccupied with whether they are liked.)
(NOTE: At root, this aspect highlights and accentuates the feminine principle. All of the positive traits are described by this; and, more importantly, every problem traceable to Moon-Venus, from a markedly passive-dependent nature to moodiness to being blindsided by strong feelings, stems from insufficiently accepting the full scope of one's femininity. – Men are, therefore, more vulnerable to the negative manifestations.)

Notebook #93 observations: (CONJUNCTION-OPPOSITION-SQUARE) Much more insecurity than they show at first. Nearly to a one, there is preoccupation with whether or not people like them. Most have a fairly strong passive-dependent streak.

FURTHER NOTES:
I think Moon-Venus aspects basically can be understood as a highlighting and accentuation of the feminine principle in an individual. All of the positive traits certainly fit here. Also, and perhaps more to the point, is that every problem I can connect to Moon-Venus aspects stems from the inability to accept the full scope of one's femininity.
GARTH ALLEN wrote:...keen social sense... its natives rarely find their interest in others flagging enough to allow themselves to brood over their own difficulties. Such people are those who view their own ultimate passing in the light of how it will affect their loved ones rather than as a private disaster.
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:Complete is the concord between "hand" and "heart" when the Moon is configured with Venus in the geniture. One of the most pleasant of testimonies, it bestows grace and charm, a pleasing smile and a melodious voice. Thus blessed the native makes friends with great facility and is warmly welcomed wherever he goes. A successful lover, his adventures in this direction may be many. "Matinee idols" may have this configuration and some are a little effeminate. Yet they always have their coterie of admirers.
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Moon responds freely to, and permits easy expression to, and employs for adaptation one’s love nature, romantic and pleasure style, social urges; awareness of beauty & harmony, and “femininity.”
Venus soothes, harmonizes, and gives pleasure through one’s outer “mask,” persona, emotional responsiveness, and relations with mother figures or public.

U.S. PRESIDENTS
OPP/SQR: John Tyler, John F. Kennedy, Gerald R. Ford, George H.W. Bush
TRI/SEX: William Henry Harrison, Harry S Truman
STATISTICS wrote:Safeguard against suicide especially if foreground (Bradley).

Few murders (Bradley) - therefore indicative of high frustration tolerance.
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Moon-Mars aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 7:57 am

PRINCIPLE: Competitive-aggressive instincts, enflamed emotions

MOON-MARS
Active & reactive, temperamental, thinks & acts rapidly. Detests idleness, rarely still. Driven, competent, ambitious. Impatient, acerbic, irritable. Too frank & sharp-tongued (hence friction in close relationships). Needs physical, emotional, & mental “room to breathe” (little domestic instinct). Substance abuse not uncommon. Sexual needs strong, almost irrepressible (the women are often real sexual firecrackers, notable for the speed and intensity of their climaxes).
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:When thus configured, natives "rush in where angels fear to tread." Not knowing the meaning of shyness they lead the world. Exceptionally intelligent and quick on the uptake, they are always in the vanguard, shepherding others and leading them into the fold, immediately sizing up a situation they act without counting the cost and may get their fingers burned. They are outspoken and inclined to put awkward questions to a lecturer. At school they are "enfants terribles" and invariably find themselves in trouble. Their precipitancy all too frequently lands them in difficulties but they are irrepressible.
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Moon responds freely to, and permits easy expression to, and employs for adaptation one’s energy levels, aggressive tendencies, “masculinity,” and passions.
Mars pursues aggressively, energizes, enflames, and coarsens one’s outer “mask,” persona, emotional responsiveness, and relations with mother figures or public.

U.S. PRESIDENTS
CONJ: Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover
OPP/SQR: Millard Fillmore, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt
TRI/SEX: Andrew Jackson, James K. Polk, John F. Kennedy
STATISTICS wrote:Most common aspect for astrologers (535-to-1). Even more, especially likely for Siderealists in contrast to Tropicalists. (Eshelman)

Many U.S. Presidents (in combination with Sun opposite or square Saturn)

Many successful commanders have trine or sextile, according to Zadkiel. I have several examples in my files to casually confirm.

High MANIA scale (9) on MMPI per Stapleton.
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Moon-Jupiter aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 7:57 am

PRINCIPLE: Optimism, fortune, ambition as adaptation, family

MOON-JUPITER
Ambitious, desires success, aspires to take the lead. (A natural ‘host,’ likes to play ringmaster in all life areas including in social & sexual hospitality.) Desires only the “best” (things & circumstances) for self & loved ones. Possible social elitism, feigned superiority, aristocratic conceit. Drawn to quality. Usually good-humored, entertaining, kind, generous. Strong beliefs (often religious or patriotic intensity, moralistic, judgmental).

Notebook #93 observations: (OPPOSITION-SQUARE) Noble and service-oriented.
(TRINE/SEXTILE) Many excellent traits; but usually (not always) has difficulty with focus of effort and attention, and with applying themselves.

ADD: Sexually, "just have a good time" (esp. hard aspects).
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:Whilst Neptune seems to denote quantity, Jupiter symbolizes quality. Those who have the Moon configured at birth with the greatest of the benefics aspire to the best things of life and like to surround themselves with them. They like to move in the best circles however humbly they themselves may be born, to take of the best of food and drink nd to attend good schools. The height of their ambition would be to be a politician, if not a statesman. Others prefer advancement in the church or in the professions or in academic life. They impress by their education, culture, seeming sagacity, tact, diplomacy, optimism, and good humour. This latter trait could be hilarious if Jupiter is also configured with Mars, which can add a touch of coarseness. These people usually succeed in life not only because of their qualifications but because they manage to live respectably nd decorously, doing all things in moderation.
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Moon responds freely to, and permits easy expression to, and employs for adaptation one’s socialization, response to social expectations, need to be included, style of gregarious expression, and need for the highest and best.
Jupiter enhances, qualifies, instills confidence in (can over inflate), and draws self-valuation from one’s outer “mask,” persona, emotional responsiveness, and relations with mother figures or public.

OBSERVATION: They are especially comfortable as the "ringmaster." This is how they entertain ('producing' an evening). I've seen the same behavior quite often sexually. And, among celebrities, there are quite a few 'hosts' (Johnny Carson, Arsenio Hall, Merv Griffin, aside from the very controlling dictators and other political figures). - It's as if the natural can't be permitted to interfere with the excellence of the contrived???

U.S. PRESIDENTS
CONJ: Rutherford B. Hayes, William McKinley, George W. Bush
OPP/SQR: James Polk, Benjamin Harrison, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan
TRI/SEX: John Q. Adams, Woodrow Wilson, Barack Obama
This is the most common aspect in U.S. president charts.
STATISTICS wrote:Rather common in my personal collection of psychotherapist charts (along with Moon-Saturn). I suspect many of the reasons are related to some points I'll post under Moon-Saturn regarding the "power shadow."

Single most common close aspect for U.S. Presidents (10 so far). These include 3 conjunctions (Hayes, McKinley, Bush2); 4 oppositions or squares (Polk, Harrison, Eisenhower, Reagan); and 3 trines or sextiles (Adams2, Wilson, Obama).

The soft aspects are outrageously common for violent criminals per Carter.

In employment start charts, not especially great (Quellas). Overly peer-conscious and reactive.
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Moon-Saturn aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 7:58 am

PRINCIPLE: Emotional loss, survival adaptations, hardship, sadness

MOON-SATURN
Proud, self-made. Dynamic, hardworking, persistent, self-driving. Encourages growth in others (expects them to do something wor-thy of their abilities). Usually emotionally reserved, private. Definite tendency (often unconscious) to seek total control of situations & relationships. Parent-themed issues (nourishment-deprivation, etc.) to work through. Judgmental (intolerant). Can be pessimistic, distrustful, little self-confidence, passive-aggressive, feeling inferior, anxious, depressed. Many enter religious or social work for mixed motives of service, self-immolation, and seeking control.

Notebook #93 observations: (CONJUNCTION-OPPOSITION-SQUARE) A definite tendency (perhaps often unconscious) to try to take total control of situations. This makes them seem like good potential leadership material on first impression; yet, as the result of these behaviors, they often cause a certain amount of friction in a group where they are not actually in charge. (When in doubt, they tend to bluster ahead and assume control of something or other.)
(TRINE/SEXTILE) Seems to be uncomfortable with anyone setting rules for them, and they deal with it through passive-aggressive behavior, excuses, etc.

POWER SHADOW
The predominance of people in the ministering and helping-healing professions, of famous religious figures, etc., is partly understood in terms of the power shadow. As Guggenbuhl-Craig wrote:
All those active in the social professions, who work "to help mankind," have highly ambiguous psychological motives for their actions. In his own consciousness and to the world at large, the social worker feels obliged to regard the desire to help as his prime motivation. But in the depths of his soul the opposite is simultaneously constellated - not the desire to help, but lust for power and joy in depotentiating the "client." ... In general, the power drive is given freest rein when it can appear under the cloak of objective and moral rectitude.
In relation to this, note the high number of psychotherapists with this aspect. My list of trines and sextiles is literally filled all but to the brim with "helpers," many of whom are astrologers. Many cases of Moon-Saturn hard aspects are highly insistent in the "protesting too loudly" sense.
Don Bradley in AA 6/70 wrote:An accumulated hoard of resentments about one's early life, especially in connection with toilet-training and the development of "good" behavior as opposed to "bad" behavior... prone to suffer needlessly from feelings of guilt implanted in them by a too-orderly upbringing liberally riddled with quotations from Proverbs and Paul... Cyril Fagan called our attention to the fact that the most telltale configuration in the charts of hippies and other anomic types is Moon-Saturn... [they] know there has to be something more meaningful in life than to have a neat haircut and clean ears, show the proper solicitude toward elders and superiors, and never to burp audibly or scratch where it itches when anybody is looking...
GARTH ALLEN wrote:...it is miraculous how untrammeled and unscarred a Moon-Saturn "victim" can wind up his allotted span.
GARTH ALLEN wrote:...the mental faculty of automatic awareness of the unseemly side of human nature, a taking in stride of the darker corners of the mind. It has rightly been written that if you are born with the Moon and Saturn in configuration, you can easily brush shoulders with dirt and not get any on you.
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:Because those who have this configuration at birth tend to suffer from some sort of chronic disability of that part of the body which comes under the dominion of the constellation holding the Moon, they tend to be depressed, melancholy, morbid, pessimistic, laborious, ponderous in thought, absent-minded, hesitant in speech, and given to philosophic brooding. These qualities do not make for success or popular appeal. They know hardship, frustration, and even failure and poverty. In constant fear of tomorrow they clutch at money coming their way and tend to hoard it. There is a fear of insecurity and on account of this they may feel resentment. Their work tends to keep them in the background. If Saturn is configured with Pluto the life of an anchorite would make strong appeal to some.
Garth Allen on Sir Richard Burton wrote:His Lunar opposition to Saturn is suggestive of Burton's personal untidiness, his interest in the seamy, shady side of human behavior, and his rigid nerve in emergencies.
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Moon responds freely to, and permits easy expression to, and employs for adaptation one’s way of facing life’s struggles, areas of insecurity, feelings of inadequacy, and personal autonomy needs.
Saturn structures, formats, inhibits, frustrates, and experiences inadequacy and thus over-compensation concerning one’s outer “mask,” persona, emotional responsiveness, and relations with mother figures or public.

U.S. PRESIDENTS
OPP/SQR: James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Grover Cleveland, Warren G. Harding, Herbert Hoover
TRI/SEX: Millard Fillmore, Franklin D. Roosevelt
(Those Presidents with close oppositions or squares between Moon and Saturn served during times of very bad conditions spiralling out of control, especially economic conditions. In most cases, the competency of the President was not a factor - circumstances appeared completely unmanageable. The two worst economic periods in the nation's history were during the terms of Presidents with Cancer Moons in hard-aspect to Saturn.)

STATISTICS wrote:High for murderers (Bradley) indicating weak frustration tolerance, probably in conjunction with a judgmental quality. (Probably MMPI Scale 4 elevation, antisocial, alienation.)

Much more likely for Siderealists than Tropicalists (Eshelman)

It seems to be a rather common aspect (along with Jupiter-Moon, probably for similar reasons) in my formal collection of psychotherapists charts - see "power shadow" notes in this section)
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Moon-Uranus aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 7:58 am

PRINCIPLE: Emotional renewal, discovery, new responses

MOON-URANUS
A specie of genius (intellectually rebellious, roving, curious, investigative) is bursting to express itself – not wholly comfortable accepting outside guidance, often wondering why others don’t recognize its nature. Inquisitive, original, futuristic, seeking novelty & needing variety (“will try anything twice”). Free-spirited: psychologically lives outside of convention; but subject to tensions and stiffness from emotional stress.

Notebook #93 observations: They all have an intellectually rebellious streak, curious, investigative, but many are not comfortable accepting someone else's direction or guidance.
GARTH ALLEN wrote:Freedom From Boredom is the dispensation of Moon-Uranus, the roving-spirit combination in astrology. Easily impressed and persuaded at one moment and just as easily neutralized and dissuaded the next, the Moon-Uranus native is apt to enmesh himself in endless trivia and indefiniteness, often changing hobbies or so dispersing his talents as to give the impression of aimlessness in life. Gadgets and new ideas fascinate him no end and his thoughts are cloudlike in that no two are exactly alike, yet all are airy. As for appetites and sensations, he'll try anything once just because it's something to try.
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:In contradistinction to Saturn, the significator of all things that are stale, hoary, traditional, Uranus betokens the eternal spring of youth, the quality of freshness, newness, the original and the yet untried. Ideas that may be novel today, and so under Uranus, tomorrow may become stale and pass under the dominion of Saturn. Hence the effects of Uranus and Saturn are antithetical. Those having the Moon configured at birth with Uranus are "born before their time." Ahead of others in thought, they are looked upon as odd, eccentric. Being free from tradition they see and seize opportunities which others pass by. their originality make for marked success. In all fields of life they shine, especially in those of commerce, speculation, gambling, and sport. Many millionaires have this natal configuration.
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Moon responds freely to, and permits easy expression to, and employs for adaptation one’s individualistic concept of self and avenues of excitement (and how it is pursued).
Uranus impersonalizes, unshackles, awakens, stimulates, and adds freedom from structure or inhibition to one’s outer “mask,” persona, emotional responsiveness, and relations with mother figures or public.

U.S. PRESIDENTS
OPP/SQR" William H. Taft
TRI/SEX: John Adams, William Henry Harrison, Warren G. Harding, Gerald R. Ford, George W. Bush
STATISTICS wrote:Among astrologers, somewhat more likely to be Siderealist than Tropicalist (Eshelman)

Ebertin found it indicative of schizophrenic symptoms. (NOTE: If MMPI Scale 8 peaked, this just means an abrupt dissociation from conventional reality.)

Common in the maps of violent criminals (Carter)

In employment start charts a good sign - Not disruptive to environment. Ingenious. Tended to be rated high as employees. (Quellas)
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Moon-Neptune aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 7:59 am

PRINCIPLE: Sensitive, vulnerable, instinct to lose oneself in others

MOON-NEPTUNE
Sensitive – often too much! Tunes into others on an emotional (psychic?) level: can be deeply understanding, genuinely sympathetic, but also emotionally (psychically) vulnerable, easily wounded, with abiding fears of rejection. Self-defense through avoidance (non-confrontation) & slamming shut senses & good sense. When wounded, withdraws & introverts (often with excessive rumination, imagination working overtime, worry, moodiness). Drawn to the imaginative, surrealistic, and creative. Genius, if present, coexists with deeply, visibly disturbed character.

Notebook #93 observations: (CONJUNCTION-OPPOSITION-SQUARE) A very strange group of people (especially the squares and oppositions). Hard Aspects are usually a danger signal - but not invariably so. The Conjunctions shows pronounced passivity, including a marked tendency not to confront problems or issues. The Oppositions-Squares are much the same, but - while they still are actually passive in the deep sense - they tend to be "acting out" types rather than passive in the way they create commotion and depart.
(TRINE-SEXTILE) Curious intellectuals who throw themselves into their inquiry. Quite unlike the 0-90-180! (This doesn't appear to be an indirect involvement of Moon-Pluto aspects.)

(I was asked to elaborate what "dangerous" behavior I meant by the above notebook note:) Not usually physically dangerous, but a wide range of problems are possible for themselves and for groups in which they try to function. Much of it has to do with the consequences of acute sensitivity manifesting as various kinds of acting out, emotional disturbances, extreme projections, generally stirring emotional volatility (by no means is this always intentional or conscious). - With the close hard aspects between Moon and Neptune, on the one hand you get a capacity for genius (visible in the famous and infamous), but also a for significant instability. An example of the extremes: Heinrich Himmler and the Dalai Lama. Yet... look closely to see what both of these men have in common! (The differences may make you miss it.) - Among the geniuses, you get actors like Dustin Hoffman, Al Pacino, and the gifted-while-notorious Robert Downey, Jr. In music, you get the uncompromised genius (but also acute sensitivity and visibly disturbed character) of, say, Ludwig von Beethoven and Michael Jackson.
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:Being supersensitive souls - the consequences of an exaggerated imagination - they are all too easily stung by an unkind word. These people fight shy of the harsh realities of everyday life and like to escape into a fantastic world of their own creation, or superstition, of memories of the past, of mythology or a world of art, music, or dancing. For some it is a world of drugs and opiates. With their overwrought imagination they are easily imposed on. In the world of reality they tend to adopt a distinctive pose or to dress artistically. Being temperamental they are prone to hysteria. When forced out into the open they dither get worried and flurried. This is a marked characteristic of an afflicted Neptune, The average Neptunian is regarded as somewhat irresponsible.
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Moon responds freely to, and permits easy expression to, and employs for adaptation one’s imagination and fantasy, mode of reality fabrication, sensual indulgence, and response to temptation.
Neptune exaggerates, diffuses, confuses, distorts, infuses with fantasy, hyper-sensitizes, atrophies, and withers one’s outer “mask,” persona, emotional responsiveness, and relations with mother figures or public.

U.S. PRESIDENTS
CONJ: William Henry Harrison
OPP/SQR: Franklin Pierce
TRI/SEX: James A. Garfield
STATISTICS wrote:Very common earmark for suicide predilection (Bradley)
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Moon-Pluto aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 7:59 am

PRINCIPLE: Anomalous instincts, emotional eruption, purging automatic patterns

MOON-PLUTO
Bold & forthright, questioning & challenging, maverick & alien; independent, “marching to a different drummer,” resisting authority. Avoids habitual conformity (rebellious?); resists conventional conditioning and being made to concur with others’ values and codes. Restless, unwilling to be still for long, can uproot or take to the road on little notice. Deeply inquiring into existential mysteries, often igniting remarkable intuitive insights.

Notebook #93 observations: (CONJUNCTION-OPPOSITION-SQUARE) In an organizational setting, most, though loyal and staying, have at one time or another needed a period of time away, often arranged through travel, job, etc. It is almost like too much closeness and connectedness for too long throws a circuit breaker in them, and something happens to interrupt it!
(TRINE-SEXTILE) Quite willing to "march to a different drummer." That is, whatever their feelings may be about the matter, most of them don't act as though they are overly concerned about how other people have decided life should be lived or enacted. (The hard aspects have this too, but they seem more often to go out of their way to be obvious - at least a little "noisy" - about their rebellions.)

NOTE: The word "shy" is accurate but misleading, in that most are quite bold.
Fagan & Firebrace wrote:The most antisocial of the planets, Pluto is the significator of detachment, isolation, and extreme loneliness. Those having this configuration at birth are shy when forced to appeal amongst others, are quickly bored and take the first opportunity to disappear. They always appear in a state of revolt and are beings apart. Some have to flee from the law. They can stand alone and be unique. Those mingling with society always manage to preserve their independence and detachment. Difficult members of a team, averse to the party system, many distinguish themselves on stage or platform, retaining their aloofness in spite of the applause of the multitude. Sometimes their shyness makes them self-defensively aggressive. This is more noticeable if Pluto is also configured with Mars.
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
The Moon responds freely to, and permits easy expression to, and employs for adaptation one’s “Get away from it all” urge, need to be independent of cultural trappings and labels, and search for existential meaning.
“All or nothing” Pluto strains, either strongly intensifies or thoroughly diminishes, and creates powerful need that to be free of others’ arbitrary limitations concerning one’s outer “mask,” persona, emotional responsiveness, and relations with mother figures or public.

U.S. PRESIDENTS
OPP/SQR: George Washington, Chester A. Arthur, Woodrow WIlson
TRI/SEX: William Henry Harrison, Rutherford B. Hayes, Grover Cleveland, Jimmy Carter
STATISTICS wrote:86% of murdered rape victims had this - though it wasn't unusual in any way for those assault victims who survived.

Ebertin found it characteristic of schizophrenia (nearly always hereditary). (NOTE: As with Moon-Uranus, the reported schizophrenia symptoms, if measured by MMPI Scale 8, may simply mean an abrupt dissociation from conventional reality.)
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Re: Natal aspect interpretations - Sun & Moon

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 8:01 am

Freya wrote:A question about moon-pluto.... many writers connect this aspect with stern or absent mothering or a difficult relationships with the mother or the early family environment. Have you found this to be consistent?
It's certainly possible. Hardly routine, though, and that's much more likely to be Moon-Saturn.

Remember, though, that the horoscope doesn't show one's mother - it shows one's experience of one's mother, one's relationship to maternity, etc.

My mate has a partile Moon-Pluto conjunction. Neither her mother, nor her relationship to her mother, was at all as you describe.

Scanning down a few charts of friends: One had lost her mother long before I knew her (so it was relatively young). One did, indeed, have a commonly drunk and severe mother. One had a biker mom (hung with Hell's Angels), who therefore probably had some "absence" but also inspired her to an offbeat lifestyle; one had an absent mom in that she travelled the world in her work and rarely saw him.

John Lennon was raised by an aunt in his mother's practical absence (although the aunt had the real maternal role in his life). I don't recall Mozart's mother being a presence in his life, so I suspect she died very early. But, of course, these celebrity examples are just the ones I know about off my head, where "mother issues" are a more obvious part of the story - so they shouldn't be taken as typical.

I'd say, based on the above, that often there is an absence, but equally often there is something remarkable, maybe offbeat and out of the ordinary, about the mother or the actual maternal substitute.
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Re: Moon-Jupiter aspects

Post by sotonye » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:27 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Tue May 09, 2017 7:57 am

MOON-JUPITER

OBSERVATION: They are especially comfortable as the "ringmaster." This is how they entertain ('producing' an evening). I've seen the same behavior quite often sexually. And, among celebrities, there are quite a few 'hosts' (Johnny Carson, Arsenio Hall, Merv Griffin, aside from the very controlling dictators and other political figures). - It's as if the natural can't be permitted to interfere with the excellence of the contrived???
To add a bit to this, further examples of Moon/Jupiter hosts include:

Bill Maher, Tyra Banks, Trump, Mario Lopez, Bill Cosby, Sean Hannity, George Lopez, and Russel Brand

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