2020 Prez Election

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Pence (June 7, 1959, Columbus, OH) has a Taurus Sun, probably Gemini Moon. Pelosi (March 26, 1940 in Baltimore) has a Pisces Sun, probably Libra Moon. If she was born pretty late in the day, she'd have a Scorpio moon, so could succeed Trump.

Wonder if a succession by impeachment would be like an induced birth, disrupting the astrological influences.

[SteveS]

Beto----is a----Virgo. Already has my vote if he becomes a candidate.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

So Trump the Taurus-Scorpio to Pelosi the Pisces-Scorpio to O'Rourke the Virgo-Aries. Or if O'Rourke has a Taurus moon, Trump to O'Rourke.

[SteveS]

New Vegas odds posted today on 2020 Prez.

Dem to win Prez -120
Rep to win Prez Even

Trump + 150
Beto O’Rourke + 800
Joe Biden + 800
Kamala Harris + 1000
Bernie Sanders + 1200
Elizabeth + 2000

My opinions/observations: I think the odds for Beto & Biden were based on the straw polls by MoveOn showing Beto narrowly leading Biden. If Biden decides not to run, I think most of the Biden voters would vote for Beto. Note the Dems are favored to win 2020 Prez, but Vegas odds still has Trump as the clear favorite. Go figure??

[Jim Eshelman]

The last point: A known polling factor is that people answer one way for general conceptual questions, and other ways for concrete. So, "who will win in 2016, Democrat or Republican" brought overwhelming Democrat. "Who will win 2016, Clinton or Trump" brought closer to even.

With regard to those numbers, I was proposing recently (to early, just a test idea) a ticket of Biden for President, O'Rourke for VP.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Julian Castro has formed an exploratory committee to look into his running for president. I think that's like a pre-engagement. He was the head of HUD under Obama, is a Texan (and a twin) and has enough experience to actually do the job. I don't think O'Rourke does and would spend the first year correcting hireing mistakes.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

With regard to those numbers, I was proposing recently (to early, just a test idea) a ticket of Biden for President, O'Rourke for VP.

IMO, if this happens, it greatly reduces % for a DEM Prez win, I think much of the voting country is tired of the old DC status quo, and is looking for a young progressive face for Prez. Generally, when do candidates announce their run for Prez?

[Jim Eshelman]

Announce within the next 12 months, probably 6.

Yes, I think you're right about what the extreme left wants. However, I think the odds of such a person beating Trump are quite small. Id like to "hedge the bet" - pick a solid, proven leader with deep experience AND a "fresh face" for the team with him or her.

[SteveS]

Thanks Jim.

[SteveS]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/ ... li=BBnb7Kz

[SteveS]

CNN Poll has Biden in the lead for Dem Primary.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/14/politics ... index.html

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

They haven't yet picked the city where the Democratic convention to nominate the candidate for 2020 will be held. It'll be one of Houston, TX, Miami Beach, FL, Milwaukee, WI, and Denver, CO, although it will be held July 13 - 16, 2020.
You could get a jump by running charts for each candidate you fancy in each city for that time frame.

The first primary will be Feb 3, 2020 (Iowa). Most state committees haven't chosen dates for their primaries yet.

[SteveS]

Latest news about Dem candidates for 2020 Prez:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

The only reason anyone would announce now is that person is way too easily swayed by the glamour and adulation, or is trying to draw fire so others have the chance to get organized and maybe get some secret service protection. I'd love to see Hilary declare with tongue in cheek. She could shield the rest of them and Nancy Pelosi.

[SteveS]

There have been some slight changes for betting odds on 2020 Prez.

The Dems have increased there winning odds from a -120 to a -140
The Reps have become more of an underdog from a even odds bet to a +120

Trump is still a +150 to win 2020 Prez. No odd changes in the top 5 Dems winning Prez.

[SteveS]

New (slight changing) odds have been posted for the Dem Candidates with Beto now slightly leading the pack. Way to early to get carried away with these odds. Anyway, here are the top 4 Dems odds on favorite for 2020 Prez:

Beto +800
Biden +1000
Harris +1000
Warren +2000

[Jim Eshelman]

We have our first official Democratic presidential contestant with a known birth time.

Julian Castro, former Obama cabinet member, officially announced his campaign today. He and his twin brother Joaquin were born September 16, 1974, in San Antonio, TX. According to Julian in a 7/16/16 NPR radio broadcast, he was born at 2:40 AM and Joaquin a minute later. (I believe this verbal report because twins and their family reports are extremely accurate about this sort of thing.)

A Leo Sun and Virgo Moon and Mars with Mercury-Pluto exactly on IC and Saturn more widely foreground. I'm concerned that his foreground Mercury-Saturn square will mean that people will find a way to "bad mouth" him as they did Hillary, and he doesn't have the luminary mix to easily succeed Trump. (He has a Virgo stellium, in fact: Moon, Mercury, Mars, Pluto.)

And his name is "Castro." (Ofcourse, Obama's middle name is "Houssein.")

[SteveS]

Latest Vegas odds for 2020 Prez:

Dems -180
Reps +150

Beto Rourke +800
Kamala Harris +1000
Joe Biden +1200
Bernie Sanders +1500
Elizabeth Warren +1800

[SteveS]

Changes in Vegas odds for 2020 Prez and first time odds for Democratic Nominee:

Prez:
Harris +700
O'Rourke +1000
Biden +1200
Warren +2000
Sanders +2000
Trump +250

Dem Nominee:
Harris +200
O'Rourke +200
Biden +400
Warren +700
Sanders +700

[SteveS]

Just noticed Trump on election night 2020 has Solar Arc Saturn 10,48 Vir, Natal Neptune 11,51 Vir. This is an important piece of gambling info for me as well as important political news for many members on this forum. Saturn-Neptune is the supreme combo for important "removals" of all kinds for high profile public figures.

[Jim Eshelman]

As Elizabeth Warren said yesterday (and many of us hope is true), Trump may not be a free man by the next election.

On any case, his Solar Arcs for the end of November 3, 2020 are as follows. Note that it's not entirely bad news at the time (much worse 11 months later):

d Mars qq. r Sun 01' ap.
d Moon sqq. r Jupiter 05' ap.
d Saturn conj. r Neptune 51' ap.
d Neptune op. r Uranus 53' ap.
d Uranus conj. r Asc 55' ap.

[SteveS]

I don't know that much about Solar Arc Directions but am hoping to learn more now that we are starting to pay more attention. I had just bought Ebertin's book on Directions before I first discovered Sidereal Astrology and was the days before Matthew taught me how to function SF with Sidereal Astrology. Anyway learning Sidereal Astrology took my time away from studying Solar Arc Directions, but I do remember Hand strongly recommending Solar Arc Directions for predictive purposes and humanistic purposes.

If Trump happens to win 2020 election (I have serious doubts he wins 2020 if he makes it to 2020) 2021 sets-up very badly for him.

[SteveS]

My best barometer for political opinion consensus news is my weekly poker game with guys I have been playing poker for years, and I never mention the word astrology to them because I knew a long time ago what would happen if I did try to bring astrology into the conversation with mostly old(er) Conservative thinking minds. I am seeing a very interesting contrast with what the poker guys are now saying about the 2020 Prez Election compared with the 2016 Elections. Through many, many, years of playing poker with the same guys —the majority consensus thinking in this poker games turns out to be dead wrong about elections. I see the same thing when I watch ESPN sporting news-- majority consensus sporting news on picking winners is usually dead wrong, proving to me the public news doesn’t know who will win, but given AA rated birth times—Astrology usually does know winners and losers.

The majority of poker guys are now saying no way Trump loses the 2020 Election if not assassinated. I ask why they say this and they all agree its because of Trump’s favorable public opinion polls with Vegas strong betting odds and weak candidates for the Dem side.

But, I remember in 2015-16 when Trump threw his hat into the Prez Political Ring, these same guys were laughing at Trump calling him a clown and saying no way he would be Rep Candidate for Prez and definitely not for Prez. The majority consensus in this poker game was also saying: no way Hillary was not going to be the next Prez. I don’t remind then what they were saying in 2015-16 turned out to be dead wrong, because I know it serves no purpose to remind someone how wrong they were with their certainty years ago, I just listen and observe—and play poker realizing I have been dead wrong with some of my conclusive astrological predictions.But as a passionate ‘event’ astrologer with national Prez elections being the biggest event, here is the most interesting contrast I see:

In the summer of 2015 when I got Trump’s AA Birth Time, I saw rock solid winning astrological symbolism with his stack of charts vs Hillary’s stack of charts for losing. Now I see rock solid astrological symbolism not favoring Trump will be Prez for 2020. Also I remember in this upside-down political world, things are now exactly reversed for 2020 vs 2016. In 2016, it was the Reps with many candidates for Prez and mainly only one Dem candidate—Hillary. Now we are going to see many Dem candidates running for Dem representative for Prez, with most likely one Rep candidate—Trump.

As a passionate predictive astrologer for contests, this leaves me with the glaring questions: 1: Who will the Dem’s elect as their Prez candidate. 2: Will the Dem Candidate be a Progressive or Moderate. 3: And most important will we see an AA rated Birth Time for the Dem Prez Candidate. 4: What will be Vegas betting odds for this election?

Now, Trump is a heavy Vegas favorite to be 2020 Prez, just as Hillary was a heavy Vegas betting favorite to be 2016 Prez. Hillary by Vegas betting odds is now creeping back into the 2020 election contest at + 2000 falling from +4000. It would be most interesting if Hillary again became Dem represented running against Trump in 2020.

Indeed, strange and interesting contrasts with 2016 Elections vs 2020 Elections.

[SteveS]

IF, the 2020 election produces a majority Dem House and 2/3 majority Senate, and a Trump Prez, there is nothing stopping an impeachment conviction---correct?

[Jim Eshelman]

IF, the 2020 election produces a majority Dem House and 2/3 majority Senate, and a Trump Prez, there is nothing stopping an impeachment conviction---correct?

Legally correct. There could be political barriers, but not legal ones, presuming no substantial evidence exonerates him.

That combination seems politically unfeasible, though. That would be a gigantic increase for Dems in the Senate, which is quite possible - but grossly unlikely if Trump is elected President. For a shift that large, you would need a major "blue wave" across most of the nation, and that wave wouldn't likely allow a Trump win.