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Uranus and Magick

Post by Soft Alpaca » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:51 pm

Just wanted more clarity and discussion on this. Discovering recently the roll of Uranus in my chart and my deep lncilation to anything relate to magick (from tarot to vudon).
I was wondering too there are any examples of famous people with this association. Especially because Neptune and Pluto too are sometimes associated with magick and the occult.

I've always had the imagery of a crystal ball associated with Uranus for some reason or another. I guess the topic of divination [which is where my speciality lies] I've always associated with Uranus. The ability to sense the strings that attach everything in the cosmos and be able to rationally tell how things interact because of these ties is a good way to view divination.

For example, not saying that I saw it coming, but I saw Trump being elected coming. If he doesnt serve s second term I'd be surprised as well.

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:05 am

Soft Alpaca wrote:
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I was wondering too there are any examples of famous people with this association.
What association, exactly?
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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Soft Alpaca » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:17 am

Association with magick. For example does Marie Laveau have a strong Uranus in her chart (I know that this specific one we may not he able to answer).

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:31 am

Off the top of my head, Aleister Crowley had an angular Sun which was closely (maybe to the degree) trine-sextile an exact Saturn-Uranus opposition.
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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Soft Alpaca » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:45 am

Another good chart to check. That's rather intresting in any case.

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:51 am

Soft Alpaca wrote:
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Another good chart to check. That's rather intresting in any case.
His ego was strong and anchored on seeming uniquely bad.
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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Soft Alpaca » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:57 am

I think that Uranus-Sun is why Jupiter comes out more in the Sun/Jupiter side of my own chart.

My ego is uniquely entropic at this point in time I guess would be the closest thing I can thing of.

Does anything Uranus show up in charts of people like Anton LaVey?

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:08 am

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Does anything Uranus show up in charts of people like Anton LaVey?
I don't think I have Tony' birth data, although he always struck me as more Plutonian (but also a fairly jovial guy in person).
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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Soft Alpaca » Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:16 am

That's unique. I think when I meet people in person Pluto and Uranus hit the first depending on my environment/situation.

As for Uranus and disrupting I had a situation happen yesterday morning where because of me labeling the AM classes smoked Turkey as "Sadness" as a joke (I'm in the PM class) their chef blew up at mine. He ran to the lockeroom where my chef was changing at 6 in the morning and yelled at him when my chef was standing there still just in his underwear.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:06 am

Tony was primarily an entertainer. Magic was his schtick. He was a Pisces-Cancer, which portrays his being fundamentally an actor.
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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Benji » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:47 pm

Quote Soft Alpaca: Just wanted more clarity and discussion on this. Discovering recently the roll of Uranus in my chart and my deep lncilation to anything relate to magick (from tarot to vudon).
I was wondering too there are any examples of famous people with this association. Especially because Neptune and Pluto too are sometimes associated with magick and the occult.

I've always had the imagery of a crystal ball associated with Uranus for some reason or another. I guess the topic of divination [which is where my speciality lies] I've always associated with Uranus. The ability to sense the strings that attach everything in the cosmos and be able to rationally tell how things interact because of these ties is a good way to view divination.

For example, not saying that I saw it coming, but I saw Trump being elected coming. If he doesn’t serve s second term I'd be surprised as well
Copied from Solunars SUN-URANUS
Go their own way, unapologetically following their own paths & persuaded that they’re a “special case.” Resourceful, stimulating, but easily bored (in need of frequent stimulation). Love of freedom: bow to no authority but themselves. Progressive, future-oriented, uninhibited by convention. Adept at creative problem solving. Self-perspective usually founded in objectivity.

Notebook #93 observations: (CONJUNCTION-OPPOSITION-SQUARE) Independently resourceful, usually without the cantankerous and other negative side of those traits.
(TRINE-SEXTILE) Deeply interested in magick.
Soft Alpaca, I have a tight Sun-Uranus trine in my natal chart. Reflecting on my life, I would say that I lived it in a way that is Futuristic more than anything else. Magick, is just another tool, like Microsoft Office and my Apple Phone (with the watch).

Another example, when I think of Uranus in my chart, is that I am a huge “Dune” fan. I am going to probably take some vacations days this November, to be one of the first people to see it.
So, in my opinion, Uranus is Futuristic. Any technology, that is on the cutting edge, old or new catches my attention.

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Danica » Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:15 pm

benji wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:47 pm

Another example, when I think of Uranus in my chart, is that I am a huge “Dune” fan. I am going to probably take some vacations days this November, to be one of the first people to see it.
:o Please, do say more! (Isn't release date Dec 2020 ?)
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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Benji » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:05 pm

Aha! Yes. Thank you, Danica.

Dune was originally scheduled for Nov. 20, 2020 but has been pushed back to Dec. 18, 2020. I miss typed it. I am hoping that it becomes a new Cinematic Universe at least till the book God-Emperor of Dune.

The reviews look promising.

Denis Villeneuve is the director and writer. He was born in 1967, in Trois-Rivières, Québec, Canada.
He started his career as a filmmaker at the National Film Board of Canada.
He is best known for his feature films
Arrival (2016)
Sicario (2015)
Prisoners (2013)
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and Incendies (2010).

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Danica » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:31 pm

Got it!

To loop back into the topic: Frank Herbert, the author of The Dune saga, had an 12' wide Moon-Uranus opp, w Moon in Leo and Ur in Aqu., and this connected by trine/sextile with Mercury, 2*35' from their MP (Virgo Sun).
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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Soft Alpaca » Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:48 pm

I wouldn't say that I see Uranus as purely futuristic myself. I think I see people so deeply interwoven with the universe that time for them is just a labeled lense that many people choose to see through, instead of a true reality.

For me the magick I was referring to myself in the topic isn't "just a tool", but I think for some people things like Microsoft office are more than a tool as well.

Thinking of my own mother, brother, and sister for example, (my mother and sister having Uranus moons. Me my mom and brother having Uranus sun, and my brother having th additional Uranus Mars) many of us arent hands on people searching for tools. But more so are searching for things that catch our eye, and although perhaps closure may be an end goal, the more mystical and complex the thing is, the more fascinated we are.

For some people this Technology Is vastly intresting, for me I want something a little more mystical or a little more cosmic I guess.

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Benji » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:38 pm

Thank you Soft Alpaca,

I think, I found your natal chart on the forum under the name Scarlet Depth. Is this correct?
If so, I am reading that your Uranus is unaspected. Is this correct?

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:29 pm

I believe his Uranus at 19 Cap 50 is sextile Pluto (3°) and square Saturn (4°). It's also partile conjunct his Vtx for a birth time of 7:32 AM.
I don't know what he means by a "Uranus Sun."

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:55 pm

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
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I don't know what he means by a "Uranus Sun."
For that birthtime, he has a hard-to-see but, I think, very powerful Sun-Uranus aspect, what I have called a Prie Vertical Paran.

Mundanely, his Uranus is exactly on the Antivertex, with an azimuth of 90°08' (0°08' past the Antivertex in azimuth). Expressed as PV amplitude (distance north or south of the prime vertical), his Uranus is 0°07' from the PV.

His Sun, for this birth time, is just before (below) Ascendant with an altitude of -0°41'.

The prime vertical is always square the horizon exactly. To measure aspects between a planet on the PV and one on the horizon, ideally we would measure the planet positions along the circle of the meridian, but we don't have the means of doing that at present. However, we can get very close by comparing the PV amplitude of the planet on the PV to the altitude of the planet on the horizon. The distance between Uranus' +0°08' and Sunb's -0°41' is 0°49', so he has (approximately) a 0°49' Sun-Uranus square if this birth time is correct.
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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:16 pm

Thanks for explaining.

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Soft Alpaca » Fri May 29, 2020 7:54 pm

Does Uranus have any connection to the third eye? In symbols, astrology, or schema?


For some reason it pops up (as the Eye of Providence) in my psyche lately.
Perhaps in relation to it being on the vertex (hidden) axis?

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Danica » Fri May 29, 2020 9:37 pm

Soft Alpaca wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 7:54 pm
Does Uranus have any connection to the third eye?
Mine does; yours - I don't know, you should be in better position to ascertain.

( :lol: it never-ever comes to me to make Ur-anus jokes, I don't know where this came from but it's funny, and also on topic to the point, so I'll just leave it :mrgreen: )
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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Soft Alpaca » Sat May 30, 2020 12:25 am

I think it would be cool if we called the planet Aeon lol.

Perhaps it does. I want to see ancient Egyptian views on this planet. Too bad :(

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat May 30, 2020 8:32 am

LOL the ancient Egyotians ne er viewed this planet :). Of course, they had mythological equivalents to the Greek god Ouranos (Uranus), perhaps the god-goddess pair of Nu-Nut, bit these aren't equivalencies because, e.g., they don't hold the same place in the creation myths. Plus, we're always on very shakey ground when we let mythology inform our astrology.

"Aeon" is more a Pluto idea than a Uranus idea.
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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Hannah » Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:09 pm

Isn’t Uranus traditionally associated with magick? I don’t know exactly where I am getting that from. I do know quite a few people into magick with strong Uranian elements in their charts, though.
I’m still a little unsure of where the lines divide between using qabalah to understand astrology.. But Uranus as Chokmah makes me think of Will.. and in the balancing of magick and mysticism it appears that maybe Uranus and Neptune fit nicely in the two categories. It’d be interested to see if statistically more mystics have Neptune predominant in the chart or magicians have predominant Uranus. I’m not sure if I am drawing too rigid of a box, though.

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Post by Hannah » Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:16 pm

With Uranus and magick I think of liberation by embracing naked reality, and with Neptune and mysticism I think of dissolution within the collective matrix.

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Danica » Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:02 am

Hannah wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:09 pm
Isn’t Uranus traditionally associated with magick? I don’t know exactly where I am getting that from. I do know quite a few people into magick with strong Uranian elements in their charts, though.
I’m still a little unsure of where the lines divide between using qabalah to understand astrology.. But Uranus as Chokmah makes me think of Will.. and in the balancing of magick and mysticism it appears that maybe Uranus and Neptune fit nicely in the two categories. It’d be interested to see if statistically more mystics have Neptune predominant in the chart or magicians have predominant Uranus. I’m not sure if I am drawing too rigid of a box, though.
The way I see it, Science and Magick are in their essence one and the same thing, at which root is: understanding of inter-relationships between phenomena, and in particular, understanding of Nature's laws (those phenomena that appear in perceivable patterns) and their operations.
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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Soft Alpaca » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:56 am

I always thought of this planet being the eletrical current that connects and flows through all living things. This is linked through our chakra and connects us to the flow (life and death) of the universe. In a way this is the energy that links all matter.

Neptune in many senses is the haze that shrouds our minds and soul. It's a rigid pattern loving, frame world forming planet. It's users in there own realms could be mystics but I don't think one would find it any less statistical that they are just insane. (I'm thinking baba yaga).

In another surprising pattern I see is strength in Mars is common in practionars. It is force and I guess in a way will. The will power and force to drive such energy into a physical manifestation would come easier for these folks. (think every time I'm shuffling my deck and calling forth cards I'm asserting a physical pull on the situation, however first I feel out the cards and how they connect and flow.)

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by SteveS » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:46 am

Danica wrote:
The way I see it, Science and Magick are in their essence one and the same thing, at which root is: understanding of inter-relationships between phenomena, and in particular, understanding of Nature's laws (those phenomena that appear in perceivable patterns) and their operations.
8-) :) jogged my memory to this:
The Magician (Tarot) is linked to the planet Mercury, ruler of the zodiac signs Virgo (Earth) and Gemini (Air).
IMO, when Mercury hooks-up with Uranus in a chart you may have found a true Magician whatever their art may be(come). The original old German Schools in Cosmobiology (Astrology) recognized Mercury-Uranus with a Sociological Correspondence as:
Mathematician, technician, physicist, a person engaged professionally in the study and application of rhythmics, cosmobiologist.
Personally, I consider Jim an adept when it comes to Astrology, and Jim, our host on this forum was born with a Direct Midpoint of Mercury/Uranus = Vertex. Personally, I consider Jim a true Magician (Adept-Cosmobiologist) in the field of Astronomy as applied "rhythmically" in the field of Sidereal Astrology. We are fortunate to be able to learn from his adeptship on this Social forum.

Another mind boggling example experienced by me of a true Magician (Adept) is with a Tarot Reader (Tina) I had the fortune to come into Social contact with her once in my life helping me with her Psychic Powers. She literally save my business life which allowed me to modestly retire with the complete freedom to study Astrology. Her Psychic abilities and adeptship with the Tarot were truly amazing. IMO, her tremendous Psychic abilities comes from her exalted Moon 3,36 Taurus. My angular Jupiter-Moon Node “fortunate contacts” indeed connected me-up with the only exalted Moon person I ever got to know in my life. I don't need any more proof than Tina's Psychic abilities with her exalted Moon-- the ancients indeed knew where power exalted degrees were in our Zodiac.

We can clearly see Tina's Adeptship with the Tarot as a true Magician with her 4 planet stellium in Gemini (Sun) with her Mercury cnj Uranus. Here is another most important woman in my life who saved me from business ruin with her psychic abilities. She was rewarded well when I sold my Theater.

No doubt in my mind the Moon is a natural universal psychic channel in nature. Tina moved from Iowa to Stone Mountain, Georgia. She told me Stone Mountain was a natural power center in USA pertaining to psychic forces of nature, and the shaman Indians in the South knew this location well. She said she moved to Stone Mountain, Georgia because the Tarot told her so. Tina had a prosperous business as a Tarot Reader (Psychic) in Stone Mountain, Georgia and knew nothing about Astrology. For all of you who understands the possible importance for re-locating to another residence for better times---look what happens with Tina's MC Midpoint Structure when Tina re-locates to Stone Mountain, Georgia from Iowa. She moves into a Direct Midpoint of Jupiter/MC =her exalted Moon!!! A consideration of Angular Midpoints are important when relocating our Natal's.

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Hannah » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:00 am

Danica wrote:
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The way I see it, Science and Magick are in their essence one and the same thing, at which root is: understanding of inter-relationships between phenomena, and in particular, understanding of Nature's laws (those phenomena that appear in perceivable patterns) and their operations.
Yes, I totally agree. 🙂 Though science tends to look at Nature in her most physical sense, while magick applies that same approach to Nature in all planes.
But I was talking about the distinction between magick and mysticism, not magick and science.

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Re: Uranus and Magick

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Soft Alpaca wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:56 am
I always thought of this planet being the eletrical current that connects and flows through all living things. This is linked through our chakra and connects us to the flow (life and death) of the universe. In a way this is the energy that links all matter.

Neptune in many senses is the haze that shrouds our minds and soul. It's a rigid pattern loving, frame world forming planet. It's users in there own realms could be mystics but I don't think one would find it any less statistical that they are just insane. (I'm thinking baba yaga).

In another surprising pattern I see is strength in Mars is common in practionars. It is force and I guess in a way will. The will power and force to drive such energy into a physical manifestation would come easier for these folks. (think every time I'm shuffling my deck and calling forth cards I'm asserting a physical pull on the situation, however first I feel out the cards and how they connect and flow.)
That is interesting! People I have met who have a strong Uranus element are quite electrifying, like they have currents of electricity pumping through their blood.

There are a number of people I know personally with a Neptune element that have mystic-like qualities. One person I am thinking of does a lot of work with god-forms, dissolving the personality in the structure of archetypal images. In myself, the mystic urge comes through with a desire to be one with everything, there is an escapist-tendency in this.. but it is not altogether bad when harnessed consciously.

I have noticed that, too! Mars comes up a lot in the charts I have on file for magicians.. which makes me think of Mars and will-force. Motivation and strength.

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Soft Alpaca » Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:03 pm

Mysticism in Neptune folk as a sense they draw energy from another realm (like hell). However I think the mystic is partially a persona they use as a guise for their charisma. The devil (Lucifer, pride) is most definitely a pisces in some sense. This realm is one of their own creation or shaping more often than not. There is a special kind of magmatism that effects the environment around them (and the people in it).

Uranus is magick in the sense of things like tarot (the cards are actually a reflection of the energy of the native being read). I've found almost always there is truth in the shape of a person and their environment in the first cards drawn. (The future being subjective thus why we draw what we can figure first when doing a reading).
I've also found that the energy of the reader matters as we act as the medium for this flowing energy. Perhaps Uranus folk can naturally do this but often don't realize it. I myself am a conduit for chaos and disruptive energy.

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by SteveS » Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:20 pm

SA wrote:
I've found almost always there is truth in the shape of a person and their environment in the first cards drawn. (The future being subjective thus why we draw what we can figure first when doing a reading).
The last time I saw/spoke to the Moon (3,36 Tau) Tarot Reader, not knowing it would be the last time, I asked her a burning question for which I was seeking the truth of a matter: I asked her where my studies in astrology were going to carry me as discovering astrological truths which I am seeking. She always had the Tarot in her hands (Sun Gemini) shuffling the cards. She asked me to pick one card and it was the World Card, Mundane Astrology deals with World happenings. I asked for her interpretations. She said that is easy—“you will seek and discover an astrology which deals with certain aspects of the World”. And my life has led me to implementing Sidereal Mundane Astrology at times only with my individualistic chart structures when I see optimum times for myself.

SA wrote:
Perhaps Uranus folk can naturally do this but often don't realize it.
Indeed, even better so when aspected to Mercury, imo.

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Re: Uranus and Magick

Post by Soft Alpaca » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:32 am

Mind you I believe that libra (little witch in a black dress), Aquarius (crystal ball hippy witch), and gemini (spastic bandana tarot witch) can all be described as witchy in there own rights. Gemini is witchy I think in part because of Pluto (I really think it's exalted here). I find that many of these gemini folks are two faced in terms of being highly intelligent but also highly into the occult.

As for Taurus I definitely get they herbal grandma vibes. The village crazy woman (like in moana).

I don't have these signs in my chart but I do have an angular Mercury and an angular Uranus. (And Jupiter which is my ties to culture in my practice). Further more Pluto-Moon folk too can have links to being on the pyschic side (I think part of geminis aesthetic comes from Pluto as well, I find that Geminis I meet tend to like Pluto people as a general rule of thumb).

Jim said something else about angular Sun aspecting Uranus in Aleister Crowleys chart, which I also have (however his also had Saturn involved).

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