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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon May 28, 2018 6:22 pm

Just as an example of a time - a point in that period when the most key factors have positions that average or center around the CapQ angles - for June 27, 2018, 8:30 PM, at the White House coordinates. (It's the time when Saturn rises in DC also. and happens to bring the Moon back around to its Capsolar place, right in the mix.)
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Tue May 29, 2018 6:08 am

Looks very ominous to my eyes Jim, and when we look at Trump's June 26 SLR, more so, as you have already pointed out.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Danica » Wed May 30, 2018 6:49 pm

I looked at Melania's chart (Apr 26, 1970 Novo Mesto, Slovenia; time unknown) - given how she is the person in perfect position to turn this whole thing around, if, by strange workings of the Unknown, she may be suddenly inspired to do so - and this gives me much hope: tr Uranus will enter orb conj her Sun in June 2019 !
But before that, it will continue with opp rx Jupiter through the whole of this year.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:38 pm

The summit is currently scheduled for June 12, 2018, 9 AM, Singapore.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:13 pm

Trump came right out and said he could have shot Comey instead of fired him, and couldn't be prosecuted for it, because it wouldn't be illegal, and even if Teh Deep State somehow got him indicted or even convicted, he could just pardon himself.

He hasn't yet caught on we fought two wars about nope, we don't want and don't have a king.

I'm pretty sure he knows there's enough evidence to hang him, so all he's got left is claiming the Constitution doesn't say what it says.

Day 24 Melania is missing.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:50 am

It happened :)
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I'm gonna go ahead and call it: The Trump-Kim meeting will happen as scheduled.

It's supposed to be June 12.

June 12 is the exact day that progressed Capsolar Sun enters 1° orb of conjunct Capsolar Venus. Before putting this together, I was ready to write that about June 12 we enter a part of the year when peace is a stronger wave.

Then I noticed that Trump will have progressed Venus conjunct natal Jupiter EXACTLY on June 15. It will be the apex of good things for him, and this kind of peace-diplomacy certainly matches the symbolism.

Saturn's square to his Neptune is exact June 13, which isn't as optimistic as the rest.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:45 am

Apparently Michael Cohen has been telling friends over the weekend he expects to be arrested any day now and ABC News has announced he's going to flip on Trump, but that feels like speculation to me.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:50 am

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:45 am
Apparently Michael Cohen has been telling friends over the weekend he expects to be arrested any day now and ABC News has announced he's going to flip on Trump, but that feels like speculation to me.
Yeah, I'm not so sure he's going to. It would be lovely, but I'm not sold yet. (I've met him. My perception of his characvter in person resembles the feel from public reporting.)

But we do have that late June mundane and personal astrological structure that is consistent with Trump's head getting smacked with a 2"x4", so...
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:54 am

Cohen and some of his really expensive lawyers have either fired each other or agreed to separate. The Trump family is either paying for them or not, but the number of lawyers needed to go through the stuff he claims is privileged client records is costing half the earth, and it looks like they're finding some who bill less per hour to handle it.
I think the idea he was about to cooperate came from his letting some of the lawyers go. He's still going to be broke when this is over, no matter what happens, and Trump is notorious for saying, oh, don't worry about it, I'll pay for it, and then not paying.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:14 am

Yes, I think you've assessed it all correctly.

This actually makes enormous legal sense. It's common these days to have armies of lower-rate to do document reviews (which can be heavily automated to keep costs low, though I don't know if the FBI is making that possible in this case - not sure whether the Special Master has had to actually review these hundreds of thousands of documents, or had support staff, or had it digitized). These lower cost attorneys are often people who specialize in exactly this kind of review work.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:18 am

Or, on where the idea came that he was going to sing like a canary instead of become a jail bird:

General legal opinion is that Cohen only has two options, since the FBI has him dead to rights. He either sings (cooperates) or takes the fall himself (goes to jail for a long time). Changing attorneys usually means a change of legal strategy. If there are only two strategies and you are changing from Plan A, you probably are going to Plan B. Ergo, he's getting singing lessons.

It's not that cut and dried, but it's understandable why the media, eager to have the story before the story breaks, is floating the possibility.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Lance » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:25 am

This morning, Joe Scarborough described Michael Cohen's new lawyer as someone who historically makes deals with the Southern District of New York instead of fighting against them.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:09 am

Michael Cohen said over the weekend that his priorities are now making his wife, daughter, and country his priorities, even if that places him at odds with President Trump.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:03 am

Here comes Trump's SSR Saturn partile 90 his Natal Neptune.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:59 pm

I kinda can't believe I haven't looked at this before: On the next presidential inauguration date, Donald Trump has three super-major outer planet transits exact to the minute of arc!

t Pluto op. r Saturn 0°01'
t Neptune sq. r Uranus 0°00'
t Saturn sqq. r Uranus 0°00'

Additionally, he has:
t Uranus sqq. r Moon 0°30'
-- t Jupiter ssq. r Moon 0°07'
-- t Mars sqq. r Moon 0°36'

What in the billy-blue bewhatzzit do you make out of that?

Regardless of the exact meaning, it seems too much of a precise, inescapable destiny moment to think he's out of the picture by that time (though I suppose it's not inconsistent with, say, someone who just became able to be prosecuted getting ready for jail).

Of the three that are exact exact exact, here are standard interpretations:

Pluto-Saturn: Breaking down old structures and outmoded patterns. Security may seem threatened as stable resources are challenged. Chance to restructure the basis of life more dynamically. Work-oriented, obstinate; benefits from play and social sharing.

Neptune-Uranus: Altered views of reality stimulate important inner changes. A dream or temptation inspires you to major changes, maybe to overhaul your whole life. Exotic ideas, ingenuity, new perspectives.

Saturn-Uranus: Restrictions vs. freedom needs. Voluntarily accepting new limits or (more likely) rebelling against them. Tension. Perhaps intolerant, touchy, uncooperative, obstinate. Seek liberty through self-discipline and one-pointed intention.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:20 pm

That's the day his chances of getting pardoned end.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:25 pm

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
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That's the day his chances of getting pardoned end.
True! Even if he's gone from office ahead of that time, a Republican administration (Pence or other) surely will have continued until then. So, either way, you're right.

His 2020 SSR is strange. Uranus on the MC square his Pluto and then... really nothing. His SLR for inauguration day is bleh, but the one a mnth earlier, in December, is very interesting with Jupiter and Saturn equally straddling Ascendant in Capricorn, etc.

Notice that on inauguration day Pluto is less than a week from entering Capricorn. I'm writing about that elsewhere this very minute.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:53 pm

I think Trump's new batch of lunars are quite interesting. They're discussed in my new month's forecast here:
https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=46 ... 641#p17642

In particular, note that we get to watch an early expression of Neptune's transit to his natal Uranus for two weeks (beginning about yesterday).
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Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:30 am

The yesterday's Manafort convictions and, especially, the guilty plea and incriminating testimony of Michael Cohen, Trump had a bad day yesterday. It all happened around 4 PM August 22, 2018.

In the face of Cohen's testimony, Trump is technically an unindicted co-conspirator to documented felonies. A grand jury hasn't yet named him such (as one did to Nixon), but it's implicit in the current record.

It's possible that Trump committed no campaign crime if the scenario is that he instructed Cohen to make payments (to affect the outcome of the election) which Trump eventually reimbursed, because that can be construed as Trump giving money to his own campaign - which he can do legally and without limit. However, the tricky part for him here is that Cohen committed crimes and, according to Cohen's testimony, Trump instructed him to do so. That makes Trump a party to Cohen's crimes.

I haven't had time to review Trump's chart in a pull-back overview, but only to reread my Trump Watch forecasts. His new SLR is clearly (by timing) at the heart of this, but perhaps not the whole story.

Taking a quick spin through his quotidians for 4 PM yesterday:

SNQ MC was 14°24' Virgo, within 2° (but not within 1° as I'd like) of conjunct progressed Neptune and progressed Mars. The Ma/Ne midpoint is 14°41' Virgo. But remember that progressed Moon is currently setting off some of the best, most protective progressed aspects one could want! His natal Uranus was on SNQ Descendant.

SQ Descendant was 0°21' from transiting Venus, but MC was just over a degree past solar Saturn. Transiting Moon may be feemed as setting it off by exactly crossing SQ MC. Asc is sq. SQ Moon 0°06'. All a bunch of limelight and unclarity.

PSSR (Mean) had nothing of note.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:41 am

They drug him off in a car to Andrews to go someplace just after Manacort's verdict was read yesterday. He wasn't watching when Cohen's came in. He knew something was going on, but not exactly what, at least from his answers to questions shouted at him at Andrews while he was getting on AF1. Usually he goes by helicopter from the White House, running a gauntlet of questions on the lawns. Somebody was protecting him.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:44 am

Yes, I'd bet that Trump was shielded from this by his handlers, and didn't find out the bad news until sometime between 8:45PM EST (when he tweeted about the rally he was at) and 8:45AM EST (when he tweeted about Cohen).

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:14 am

Since Trump took a beat-down in this Midterm election by his party loosing the House majority, this morning I took another look at his stack of Sidereal Astrology charts, and think I found the one chart which explains the resounding political loss Trump suffered with the Dems retaking control of the House.

Below is Trumps DC current SLR (inside wheel) bi-wheeled with his DC Natal (outside wheel). Note his Natal Saturn on SLR Asc with his Natal Neptune on SLR IC. Some Sidereal Astrologers would class this Natal Saturn & Natal Neptune as a rare Natal Paran appearing on his SLR Asc-IC. This is the one chart which I think explains this political loss for Trump. If anyone else sees any other prominent malefic charts explaining this political loss for Trump, please post.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:28 am

Donald Bradley wrote from his book Solar and Lunar Returns:
…lunar returns usually “time” the major occurrences foreshadowed in the annual chart.
I think we just witness with Trump losing his House majority a good example of Bradley’s above words about the use of SLR’s. In the previous post there is a link for Trump’s Oct 14th SLR showing Trump’s Natal Saturn-Neptune falling on Trump’s Oct 14 SLR Asc and IC.

We see in Trump’s below linked current SSR (inside wheel), Natal (outside wheel) a very prominent SSR aspect of his Natal Neptune partile 90 his rising SSR Saturn. In fact, this prominent SSR Saturn-Neptune aspect ‘foreshadows’ an ‘outstanding incident’ in his solar year for a Saturn-Neptune incident.

Bradley speaks of angular Saturn-Neptune in return charts as having a ‘throne-toppling’ effect. Loosing his
House majority offered excellent SLR timing for this ‘throne-toppling’ effect.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:55 am

Here is reproduced my advanced analysis of Trump' October SLR. I'm rather proud of this one. - As an aside, nothing has so changed (transformed) my ability to read SLRs than acquiring the ability to get the natal planet mundoscope positions within the SLR framework. That gives the single biggest impact of the SLR under discussion. It shows aspects that don't exist otherwise (including natal aspect that don't exist otherwise) and gives us the real ability to rank natal planet angularity.

My protocol for analyzing an SLR now is this:
* Look at the SLR itself, just to get a strong first impression of what the chart is saying.
* Identify which natal and SLR planets are foreground or angular, ranking them according to their relative angularity.
* Identify all aspect (conjunction, opposition, square only) between these planets ONLY within 5°. Take both ecliptical and mundane aspects as equal (if a planet pair has both, use the closer orb). Rank these according to closeness.
* Assess the chart from these factors only.
* As a supplemental factor, take all partile aspects (0, 90, 180, including transit-to-transit and transit-to-natal) to add as 'background' information' on what's happening.

Anyway, here was the analysis of Trump' SLR written about 2 months before the election.
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Objectively, President Trump has good aspects as he enters the last half of October, especially Jupiter's transit of his natal IC. For example, this likely shows that his relationship with what politically is called his base is strong. Under this transit, the most private life elements, such as family and the sanctuary of the East Wing, provide his most rewarding pleasure and greatest respite.

However, emotionally he is a mess coming out of last fortnight's Demi-Lunar, and his new SLR reiterates most of the same themes for four more weeks.

Pluto on Descendant continues to square natal Jupiter (0°20'). This cannot be taken as positive for President Trump, given the rest of the chart. Here, it suggests not the odds-defying exaltation of the unlifted, but rather the tearing down of one who has reached a high peak.

Natal Venus, Saturn, and Neptune are closest to the angles. Natal Neptune is a mere 0°54' from IC and natal Saturn less than 2° below Ascendant. (Natal Venus is within 3° of Asc.) Mundanely, his close natal Venus-Saturn conjunction is even closer (0°51'), while Saturn square Neptune is 0°53' on the other side, placing Saturn at the Venus/Neptune midpoint within 0°01'.

This is disillusioning. Ideals fall, bubbles pop, and the enchantment ends. One becomes jaded and cynical from hurtful betrayals. Natal Venus-Saturn-Neptune thus arrayed reflect betrayal (on both sides of a transaction), dour mental states, heart-sickness, and increasing distrust of, well, pretty much everybody. Saturn-Neptune expresses emotional exhaustion, resignation, and defeat (or at least fear of defeat).

As if the chart needed anything further to mark it a downer, angular Sun squares natal Saturn; transiting Saturn (widely angular) squares natal Neptune; and Moon squares Neptune in mundo. The only planet likely to rouse some combative energy to pull him from the inertia of depression is transiting Mars in middleground partile opposition to natal Pluto, which suggests rage and volatile response to emotionally charged issues amidst high stress, driving one to the breaking point.

In the chart of someone less physically protected than the President of the United States, this series of charts would suggest a risk of suicide.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by SteveS » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:50 am

Excellent Jim! Would love to see your analysis of Trump's 2020 SSR only looking at his Natal Planets related to his SSR transits, mainly because we don't know where his 2020 SSR sets-up. I see a-lot of negative aspects.

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